Posted by revaaron on July 2, 2007, at 2:13:24
In reply to Re: dextroamphetamine causing depression? » revaaron, posted by KayeBaby on July 2, 2007, at 1:37:33
> I have taken almost all of the readily available
> stims and I do think that they can cause the
> neurotransmitters to become unbalanced.
Do you find that any one CNS stim is better than the others? Like I said before, I was incredibly impressed by the dextroamphetamine until (around the same time) it both stopped working how I needed it to and ended up making me depressed. Made me wonder about ritalin (which reputakes rather than causes release) and possibly modafinil.> I benefit from a tad of seratonin enhancement and
> GABA whentaking stims in a way that I do not
> otherwise. 5htp is good and usually does the trick
> for my mood. I also have taken Taurine at night with
> good effect (GABA) L-theanine is good fro when the
> Dex is wearing thin and you feel a bit out of sorts.
> It's calming and focusing but not sedating the way
> 5htp can be.Do you take GABA as a supplement, or do you mean something else which works with GABA (Phenibut, benzos, etc)? Hadn't thought about the taurine, I'll look into that. I do have some L-theanine coming soon that I was looking forward to trying. Of all of these that you list, are they all things you take once in a while, or daily?
> You might try taking a small amount of the
> 5htp on a regualr basis (daily 25mg?)
I'm a bit wary of taking 5-HTP on a daily basis, mostly because of what I've read in the way of 5-HTP withdrawal syndrome- but I don't see many other options. Since after I boosted the 5-HTP back up I've not had any problems, I'm wait and see if the depression returns, and maybe start taking it every (half the time for it to come back), which I'm thinking might be maybe even only once a week. It's hard to describe the feeling that 5-HTP caused in me when I took it at the low point of those few days- I was righted in a way that seemed very drug like, which is completely unlike the other times I've taken 5-HTP. I've taken it a couple times since that day, largely as a means to see if I'm wonky or not, even if I don't feel it quite yet, but we're back to feeling nothing but a little sleepy- which is fine by me. We'll see if it comes back, and then I'll start taking it once a week, or a small bit each day like you say.> NAC is a great addition to stims as well. 500mg
> twice a day. Be sure to keep your aminos and protein
> foods seperate. Juice and carbs will help them
> into your system. B vitamins and zinc help me lots
> too.I'm currently taking a B-100 B complex, Fish/Cod Liver Oil, and a multivitamin. After the reading I've been doing it sounds like I def need to add some L-Tyrosine, and possibly Zinc, Magnesium and Calcium as well.
Do you find that any of these help with keeping dextroamphetamine working? Right now, the effects I needed- working memory and motivation- are totally null, leaving only the energy and buzz. I like the energy, but it's not why I take it. Hopefully getting some of this stuff back into my system will help
out, because it worked great at first.
What are your feelings about the -racetams, as an adjunct or possibly replacement for dextroamphetamine? I ordered small amounts of about 10 different proven (in normal folks) nootropics too see if any of it would help, and the -racetams seem pretty promising. I also ordered a bit of raw ginko powder- not sure how safe it is, but once when I was in my late teens I stuck a couple tablespoons of dried ginko leaf tea into an steam-powered espresso machine, drank the brew and was pretty impressed with what resulted. Not sure how sustainable or healthy relative megadoses of ginko is, though. Not that I was on anything else at the time, I'm new to the wacky world of stimulants.If it isn't a pain, I'd appreciate if you posted the brand he gave you. Thanks Kaye for all the info!
Regards,
revaaron
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