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Posted by ronaldo on February 14, 2007, at 11:20:49
Hello folks
Since the middle of October last year when I was on 10 mg of Zyp it has taken me four months to reduce to 0.625 mg. I am hoping to stay on the 0.625 mg for another 8 days after which I will cut it down to zero.
I was only on the Zyp for four years. My heart goes out to those who are withdrawing after 10 or more years.
I would like to get hold of my ex pdoc who kept me on this drug and strap him into a dentist's chair, wire him up to a drip containing 30 mg Zyprexa, let him live on that for six months and then cut him loose and let him find his own way back to sanity. On second thoughts I think it would be quicker and easier just to shoot him.
Be wary of pdocs who say Zyprexa helps the Lithium to work.
Ronaldo
Posted by ronaldo on February 16, 2007, at 9:19:40
In reply to Zyprexa w/d so far so good, posted by ronaldo on February 14, 2007, at 11:20:49
Hi folks,
Persistent insomnia has just set in due in part to tension with my neighbour. Not sleeping on 0.625 mg. Will have to revert to 2.5 mg just to restore my equilibrium, and get a good nights sleep. After that hopefully 1.25 mg and then maybe back to the 0.625. Can anyone offer me some advice on the final push from 1.25 mg down to zero. This seems to be the hardest part.
ronaldo
Posted by kotsunega on February 18, 2007, at 18:49:45
In reply to Spoke too soon - all the wheels just fell off..., posted by ronaldo on February 16, 2007, at 9:19:40
Hi Ronaldo,
Sorry to hear "all the wheels fell off", which is a good way to put it concerning your Zyp w/d. Please see my other posted response to your post to me in the other Zyp w/d thread a few topics up from this one.
Has your pdoc tried adding a sleep aid like Lunesta to your meds mix? I was using that and Xanax in the evenings to help me settle down and get to sleep.
As I stated in my other post to you in a different thread on this topic, I shared some Psycho Babble posts from others with my pdoc, who took it upon herself to report this to Eli Lilly. Of course they claimed they had no knowledge of this, which may be completely true, as I am not aware of any studies concerning withdrawal of Zyp after long term use and associated complications -- probably none exist.
Still, if I try to quit Zyp again and develop the muscle cramps that kept me out of work and which I describe in my other post, I'm going to get serious about thinking of going the class action route. I mean, what if someone who actually developed diabetes from Zyp was experiencing what we have experienced and just could not quit the drug - to me that's a very serious matter.
Anybody else think getting legal over this is a good or bad idea?
Kotsunega
Posted by ronaldo on February 19, 2007, at 1:08:50
In reply to Re: Spoke too soon - all the wheels just fell off..., posted by kotsunega on February 18, 2007, at 18:49:45
Hi Kotsunega
My pdoc has given me 5 mg Valium to tide me through the Zyp w/d. Seems to work, but could be better.
Getting legal with Eli Lilley might be a good idea if you could join a large class action, and on a no win no fee basis. Otherwise you might risk spending more money than you want to. There are current class actions on the diabetic front, I believe, and hopefully Eli will get clobbered. I have not heard of a class action concerning muscle spasms. It might be up to you to prove the causal link with Zyp which could be expensive. Much as I would like to see Eli Lilley pay for this harmful drug I would not like to see you out of pocket. But if you can join a class action, with strength in numbers, then maybe you should go for it.
I wish you all the success you need in your next attempt to get off the Zyp. You really need to take it slowly. I was given some good advice by ed_uk. I am sure he won't mind me giving you the link.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20061104/msgs/702078.html
I hope this will be helpful to you. It has helped me. BTW have you got a pill cutter. This item is very useful and only costs a few dollars.
Be well
ronaldo
Posted by kotsunega on February 25, 2007, at 10:14:53
In reply to Re: Spoke too soon - all the wheels just fell off... » kotsunega, posted by ronaldo on February 19, 2007, at 1:08:50
Hi Ronaldo,
I'm glad the Valium is helping - Xanax seemed to help me with the sleep problems, along with Lunesta.
I know the whole idea of a class action suit would be a David and Goliath situation without enough others to contribute. Even then, the drug companies are so rich now, it would be almost a snowball's chance in winning. But, that's the capitalist society in which we live these days, and that's a whole other topic I could go on and on about-but won't do it here. :-)
Good luck to you, and thanks for the link!!
Kotsunega
Posted by Lexxor on April 3, 2007, at 0:00:26
In reply to Re: Spoke too soon - all the wheels just fell off..., posted by kotsunega on February 25, 2007, at 10:14:53
Just a heads up on the class action. I really looked into the class action against lilly. I found out several things. It's a money game started by some greedy lawyers. They didn't sue lilly because zyp caused diabetes, they sued because lilly didn't put in their package inserts that diabetes could be a possible side effect. truth is a doc showed me a study that said that people who need drugs like zyprexa, seroquel, risperdal, etc. have a better chance of getting diabetese if they don't take these drugs for their mental conditions. Lilly actually settled most of the lawsuits claiming no fault. They paid out close to 800 million. The lawyers got all of the money and are trying to start one on seroquel next. I guess you could start one for the muscle issues, but you'll just be getting some greedy *ss lawyer a new Beemer. Good Luck.
Posted by ronaldo on April 10, 2007, at 10:18:17
In reply to Re: Spoke too soon - all the wheels just fell off..., posted by Lexxor on April 3, 2007, at 0:00:26
Hi all,
I guess it is high time I let you good folks know how it is going with the Zyp w/d. I have been on zero since 16 March. Had to resort to 1.25 mg on 2 occasions, 21 & 29 March otherwise I've been constant on zero. It is now Tuesday 10 April which makes it 25 days without any Zyp, except for the 2 days mentioned. It is still difficult. Not sleeping. Using 5 mg Valium to assist sleep which helps a bit. I reckon I have a long fight still ahead of me. Another month, maybe more. I wish I had never started on it. Just have to stay strong.
ronaldo
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