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Posted by johnnyj on July 18, 2006, at 10:45:26
In reply to Re: Not good. » johnnyj, posted by jules354 on July 18, 2006, at 10:02:52
I saw her last monday and that was the 5th day of feeling good. I thought I had turned a corner because it was the best, and longest period since quitting. Then I had a bad night followed by two pretty good nights, another bad, then two good. The last two were horrible though. I am so fatigued it hurts to move. Stomach tension is bad and appetite is off. I am hungry but eating is hard. I have no idea what is going on. It doesn't feel like what I have experienced before so I am so confused. I don't see how I can be so up and down.
I sometimes feel very bad after eating. Just get really down and then I start to feel better some later. Sweating at night is bad. I feel cold so pull up the sheet only to start to sweat 5 minutes later. I just toss and turn with this frustration I can't control. I just don't understand what is going on?? Is this WD? or just plain old anixety. The funny thing is I don't feel panicky. The lack of sleep is hurting my mood big time. I guess I will be a slave to meds for the rest of my life. It is so sad because I don't like myself on meds. I am nicer to everyone off of them. I guess I just can't handle reality or something. I just want to sleep well and be a good husband to my wife. I do feel bad she has to deal with this and I wouldn't blame her if she left. It is hard not to think that I am headed rock bottom from here. My doc gave me rozerem but I have not taken any. If I can't fall asleep tonight I HAVE to try something. Sweet sleep where have you gone? I am so pissed off with this feeling of frustration I can't control.
Posted by johnnyj on July 18, 2006, at 10:56:04
In reply to Re: Not good., posted by cashy72 on July 18, 2006, at 10:35:53
Thanks everyone.
My problem is I cannot work out, have sex, hot bath, or stimulate my body without affecting my sleep. I am not on any AD right now but am thinking I MAY need something. Maybe sleep meds first? Don't now right now. Whatever regulates my body's temp is off kilter right now in the worst way.
After a bout of pneumonia a few years back I have not been able to excerise. Doc's can't figure it out and it was always the thing that helped me the most. Man, I have a lot of weird chest stuff going on. I have had back tension also that I never had before. Kind of shakey at times too. I am confused to say the least. All I want to do is sleep and that is what I cannot do.
Posted by jules354 on July 18, 2006, at 12:13:22
In reply to Re: Not good. » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on July 18, 2006, at 10:56:04
it totally makes sense to me that lack of sleep would make everything worse...i know when i haven't gotten enough sleep even in a minor way my temperature gets all wonky. i wonder if massage would help...i'll keep you in my thoughts, i hope you feel better very very soon! i'm sorry you're feeling so bad.
take care,
jules
Posted by johnnyj on July 18, 2006, at 16:49:35
In reply to Re: Not good., posted by jules354 on July 18, 2006, at 12:13:22
Thank you Jules, that is so nice of you. How are you doing?
I went to my family doctor today and he gave me lunesta. My pdoc thought lunesta was a type of benzo which it is not. He had some good ideas and said before we go the AD route let's try something, not everyday at first, to see if we can find a base for you. He wants me to get some ground beneath me so we can go from there. I will try to sleep on my own but if I wallow for an hour I will take lunesta.
One thing he did say is that he thought my W/D would be over after almost 8 weeks. He did admit that clinical/real cases tell the real picture. I told him that I feel like I have missed so much the last 5 years that I am still trying to make sense of things by feeling again. I told him the sleep stuff was taking it's toll. He does want to run some tests and I agree(cortisol and tetosterone). I asked him why the over sex drive one day and then almost adverse to it the next? That is why the tests. I am not manic so what is the deal? At least never been diagnosed bipolar. Because the lack of sleep doesn't make me get anything done that is for sure.
One day ready to just live and the next ready to run away and hide. Ups and downs are the pits.
take care
johnny
Posted by musky on July 18, 2006, at 22:40:49
In reply to Re: Not good. » jules354, posted by johnnyj on July 18, 2006, at 16:49:35
>Hey Johnny:
so sorry man you are doin rough again.. you were doing so well and I really thought that you were turning a corner.. Please try NOT to take any more meds!!! then you are stepping backwards.. go ahead and get the tests done for testosterone, etc. but if you take sleep meds, they screw up the alpha waves in the brain.. sure maybe you will get your sleep but it isnt YOU sleeping its the MEDSSSSS!!! and i thought you didnt like the side effects of them.. Sorry I dont mean to be so adimant about this.. and the doc saying that w/d should be over is full of it... sorry I know better. you have to remember how long were you on the remeron... and the downstream effects of remeron on the rest of the bodys functions.. remember it knocks out the adrenals for awhile too. one of the functions of the adrenal glands is body temp... that could explain the sweating,etc...
I just suffered through the not sleeping.. yesI too am like you and definitlely need a good sleep, but I just keep fighiting..
did you try acupuncture?? cause this has helped with my insomnia.. Yes I still get some ups and downs but not NEARLY as bad as before..
My moods have been up and down and mostlty the anxiety panic overwhelming crap, but it passes and then i am full of hope again.. I just keep going... I have made up my mind I will not go back on remeron..it made me worse and that is not the problemmm . I know I just have to keep working on my mind set and I know that it takes a VERY LONG TIME for the body to readjust after meds... I know too many people that have come off meds and they took MONTHS even up to 2yrs to feel Right in the head... I am prepared for this.. give yourself a chance yet johnny... its only been 2months for us... I too am doubting sometimes but you have to be STRONG and STUBBORN..
like today for examole i was totally out of it in my mind I really thought i was losing it and was sooo disconnected.. finally , finally it passed and I am better tonight.. I just KEPT going and changing my mind, deep breathing, etc.... self care, big time..
dont worry about sex drive up and down.. again its the w/d and body adjusting.. watch out for the pdocs they just know how to RX ,, thats alll /.uyou think they really care.??? if they did they would get at the whole person and not just push another pill to numb uou out..
Please try NOT to stress about NOt sleeping... I fully understand, ive been there rememberr??? if stress about the sleep you will be worse... just let it come it will.. you had good days before, so there is your proof that you are healing right?dont go back ...yoiuve come this far being off remeron... keep going...
and if you cant sleep just lay there then.. I would suggest a relaxing tape or music.. I dont totally agree with getting up cause then thats sending your body signals to "wake up".. i would prefer to just lay there .. all night if need be and just chill... try to have a no care attitude you know,, read or whatever then sorta maybe doze. just close your eyes and rest , even if you dont fall sound asleep its ok... it will come... trust in this... take it easy,,, do the hot bath like cashy suggests and hot tea, (herbal ) or hot milk(thats a sedative)... try a bit longer before steeping back into meds...sorry to ramble.. Im kinda wierd myself but Im fighin this like hell... I am determined to stay OFF meds forever!!! especially a/d and anxiety meds... they really did a number on me... I want to be free to enjoy life and have my own mind and body back with no side effects hangin around..
take care
Musky
Thank you Jules, that is so nice of you. How are you doing?
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> I went to my family doctor today and he gave me lunesta. My pdoc thought lunesta was a type of benzo which it is not. He had some good ideas and said before we go the AD route let's try something, not everyday at first, to see if we can find a base for you. He wants me to get some ground beneath me so we can go from there. I will try to sleep on my own but if I wallow for an hour I will take lunesta.
>
> One thing he did say is that he thought my W/D would be over after almost 8 weeks. He did admit that clinical/real cases tell the real picture. I told him that I feel like I have missed so much the last 5 years that I am still trying to make sense of things by feeling again. I told him the sleep stuff was taking it's toll. He does want to run some tests and I agree(cortisol and tetosterone). I asked him why the over sex drive one day and then almost adverse to it the next? That is why the tests. I am not manic so what is the deal? At least never been diagnosed bipolar. Because the lack of sleep doesn't make me get anything done that is for sure.
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> One day ready to just live and the next ready to run away and hide. Ups and downs are the pits.
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> take care
>
> johnny
Posted by musky on July 18, 2006, at 22:43:34
In reply to Re: Not good. » jules354, posted by johnnyj on July 18, 2006, at 16:49:35
johnny:
if u do get the tests done for cortisol. etc, dont be surprised if they are off.. and really challenge the doc by asking him/her if the REMERON caused this ... I believe that is what did it.. and now your body is trying to readjust.. see what kind of reaction you get from your doc(hmmm)..
Hang in there
Musky
Posted by johnnyj on July 19, 2006, at 16:06:33
In reply to Re: Not good., posted by musky on July 18, 2006, at 22:43:34
Well, no good news.
I took a small dose of lunesta last night and slept for maybe, 5 hours. I just cannot sleep. I am so tired and my thinking is being affected. I am at my wits end. I guess my body is telling me I need an AD or remeron.
I simply cannot be this useless and nonfunctional. All I want to do is rest and then I can't get refreshed trying that. I have no motivation, and moving takes colossal energy.
My stomcah is in knots and my appetite is terrible. I have shoulder and back tension that is very weird. The strange thing is I don't feel like I am panicky, just down from lack of sleep. I simply toss and turn and get frustrated all night. Don't they say we have a lot of receptors in our gut for seratonin, etc.? I guess my receptors are toast and are not functioning again after remeron. Maybe I just have to face the fact that my body must have something to function. I don't want to feel or think that but what do I do? Eating makes my mood dip which is strange.
I can't believe that 3.75 mg was doing anything for me? Is it possible that this is WD? or is my body refusing to repair itself? I wonder what would happen if I took a 3.75 dose? I won't yet but would all of these symptoms go away? Would that mean it is WD?
I am going to work through this until next Monday when I see my doc and if I can't get some relief by then measures have to be taken as I cannot live like this. I don't know what I did to deserve this but I guess I am a freak. I feel sorry for my wife as she doesn't deserve such a weak husband. Damn, this sucks.
Posted by johnnyj on July 19, 2006, at 16:07:41
In reply to Re: Not good., posted by musky on July 18, 2006, at 22:43:34
fare better than me. Good luck and I will pray for all of you tonight.
Posted by musky on July 20, 2006, at 0:41:44
In reply to Re: Not good., posted by johnnyj on July 19, 2006, at 16:06:33
>johnny:
Thats the evil of the remeron... it makes you have a crisis so that you will take it...DONT give up... it WILL GET BETTER... like i said before dont stress about the sleep... just relax... up to you if you want to take something for sleep/..just remember then you will have to get off that too...
tension in the back and neck im getting too, but I am working through it... again have you tried acupuncture??? and your doc isnt the only source out there to tell you what to do ... he/she will just say hey.. take the drug.. after all you have faught to get this far, then go back on it???/ to me that isnt the way to go.. but its your body.. you were feeling so much better... remember w/d isnt linear,, its many ups and downs..Quit the negative self talk and calling yourself a freak.. its the nerves and tiredness talking.. dont psyche yourself out ... keep positive.. If you truly want to be drug free you gottta fight man!!!
I will pray for you gyMusky
Well, no good news.
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> I took a small dose of lunesta last night and slept for maybe, 5 hours. I just cannot sleep. I am so tired and my thinking is being affected. I am at my wits end. I guess my body is telling me I need an AD or remeron.
>
> I simply cannot be this useless and nonfunctional. All I want to do is rest and then I can't get refreshed trying that. I have no motivation, and moving takes colossal energy.
>
> My stomcah is in knots and my appetite is terrible. I have shoulder and back tension that is very weird. The strange thing is I don't feel like I am panicky, just down from lack of sleep. I simply toss and turn and get frustrated all night. Don't they say we have a lot of receptors in our gut for seratonin, etc.? I guess my receptors are toast and are not functioning again after remeron. Maybe I just have to face the fact that my body must have something to function. I don't want to feel or think that but what do I do? Eating makes my mood dip which is strange.
>
> I can't believe that 3.75 mg was doing anything for me? Is it possible that this is WD? or is my body refusing to repair itself? I wonder what would happen if I took a 3.75 dose? I won't yet but would all of these symptoms go away? Would that mean it is WD?
>
> I am going to work through this until next Monday when I see my doc and if I can't get some relief by then measures have to be taken as I cannot live like this. I don't know what I did to deserve this but I guess I am a freak. I feel sorry for my wife as she doesn't deserve such a weak husband. Damn, this sucks.
Posted by musky on July 20, 2006, at 0:51:22
In reply to I pray that you all, posted by johnnyj on July 19, 2006, at 16:07:41
>Hang in there johnny:
It will get better..
Me today not as much out of mind feeling... just tonight i got sudden weakness, sweating. shaky.. then i had supper and just tried to relax and then did some house cleaning , sat outside tonight and it passed and i felt better.. I just tell myself its the body readjusting... I was on Remeron for 3yrs,, how could i expect it to be better in just 2months...
Everyone give it time ... LOTS of time... take one day or one HOUR at a time if you must... have faith...
Its very hard i know but you gotta keep running the race cause the finish line will appear..other people kick drugs far worse and they make it.....
I will warn as many people as i can about the evils of this Remeron and a/d.... all they do is screw people up more than help.. if they think they are being helped then they are caught in the fantasy along with the docs who prescribe..
maybe they help 0.00001% of the pop. but then who knows if they would have recovered anyways in time???!!!!
I dont know... all Im saying is you'll feel better in time... and just think of no more side effects!!!
I would rather put up with anxiety and handle it on my own than to ever ever take another remeron again...
I think the way to win here is get real hard on yourself and literally kick your own butt out of the anxiety and depression and whatever else it is..
Musky
fare better than me. Good luck and I will pray for all of you tonight.
Posted by johnnyj on July 23, 2006, at 17:09:03
In reply to Re: I pray that you all, posted by musky on July 20, 2006, at 0:51:22
I think i am done guys. I cannot go on feeling like this. I am close to non-functional. I am Mr. Negative all of the time. I think the lunesta is contributing to depression as I know the lack of sleep is killing me. I have NO motivation to do anything. I am useless like this. NO sex drive at all.
The thing I noticed about remeron is it made me dwell on past stuff too much and made me fear I was going to freak out and hurt someone. I was not on the 3.75 dose long enought to see if the benefits were lasting, only one week after withdrawal died down. The thing is all I need is sleep ya know. I keep thinking I will get a good nights sleep and then things will work out but it is not happening.
I am thinking my only option may be seroquel. I have no idea.
Sorry guys, I hope you all do well and I will pray for you. I am just not normal even though I wish I was.
johnnyj
Posted by cashy72 on July 24, 2006, at 3:43:25
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » musky, posted by johnnyj on July 23, 2006, at 17:09:03
Hey Johnny, Sorry too hear your still having it tough mate... You have too break this cycle of negative thinking, try and get angry when your really low, THINK positive thoughts, when your down in the dumps, put on your favourite cd, and turn up the volume real loud... imagine yourself somewhere else... its tough i know, believe me.. another a/d is DEFINATELY not the answer... have you tried Valerian extract for sleeping??.... hang in there my friend, you may only be a day or two from turning that corner which at the moment feels like it's far away, keep going, be strong.................
HANG IN THERE JOHNNY..
CASHY72..
Posted by johnnyj on July 24, 2006, at 14:13:02
In reply to Re: I pray that you all, posted by cashy72 on July 24, 2006, at 3:43:25
I have been on lunesta and today was tolerable. Went to pdoc and she said my symptoms are anxiety related and said I need to see my therapist every week and try and change my thinking. She said I should not dwell on my physical sympotoms and said she doesn't think it is still withdrawal. If that is the case things are not looking good. I don't feel too much anxiety but have a lot of body stuff and fatigue that is terrible. It is so easy to get negative when one is so tired. She said a body can recover because I asked if a body is permanantely screwed from meds. She didn't think so. I see a new doc on Wed. as my current one is changing jobs. I sit here with a light sweat. My body is so tired and I wonder how long I can last like this? I don't want to fall into a terrible depression because my mind needs somewhere to escape. I am afraid, but I don't want to give up.
Posted by jules354 on July 24, 2006, at 14:16:57
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » musky, posted by johnnyj on July 23, 2006, at 17:09:03
johnnyj,
if you decide you need to back on an a/d, i support you. you're doing the absolute best you can and it's not the end of the world if you go back on something. i promised myself i'd do the same if i found things too tough. it might not be forever, after all. i've been struggling a lot with anxiety the last few weeks - not sure now if it's related to (my now long-term) remeron w/d or a new thing for me that i'm learning to deal with along with life changes. i'm staying open to trying medication again, if it seems like the best option.
anyway, let us know how it goes and i wish you some relief soon.....
take care,
jules
Posted by musky on July 24, 2006, at 23:15:14
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » musky, posted by johnnyj on July 23, 2006, at 17:09:03
>hey johnny:
Really wishe you would reconsider the drug hopping.. seroquel is another evil antipsychotic... dont wanna go there..
try to take cat naps.. anything to keep you hangin in... and yes that stupid lunesta you are taking for sleep obviously isnt helping cause your not sleeping... yes it could be contriburting to your depresssion..
think... you were doing well.. I think this is just a slump temporarily... up to uyou if you wanna take something... i know what you mean by feeling crappy.. ive been kinda steps backward myself with just tired, panicky , ovehwhelmed,,, crying, and anxiety but then I go to acupuncture and it settles me down for a bit of time... Im just toughing it out with all i got..
Going on holidays for 2 weeks. hoping this will help too.
I know what you mean by the remeron making you want to hurt someone... ihad the same freaking fantasies when i was on it.... it was horrible!!! I never had these tthoughts until I was on it..
I dont know what to say to you johnny... talk to positive people... dont worry aobut the sex stuff right now... i know its a big deal.. but just get your head straight.. and just calm down... dont think negative... keep trying..
i will pray for you again gy...
thanks for your caring for the rest of us... even thought you are rough...
keep postingMusky
think i am done guys. I cannot go on feeling like this. I am close to non-functional. I am Mr. Negative all of the time. I think the lunesta is contributing to depression as I know the lack of sleep is killing me. I have NO motivation to do anything. I am useless like this. NO sex drive at all.
>
> The thing I noticed about remeron is it made me dwell on past stuff too much and made me fear I was going to freak out and hurt someone. I was not on the 3.75 dose long enought to see if the benefits were lasting, only one week after withdrawal died down. The thing is all I need is sleep ya know. I keep thinking I will get a good nights sleep and then things will work out but it is not happening.
>
> I am thinking my only option may be seroquel. I have no idea.
>
> Sorry guys, I hope you all do well and I will pray for you. I am just not normal even though I wish I was.
>
> johnnyj
Posted by musky on July 24, 2006, at 23:22:06
In reply to Re: I pray that you all, posted by cashy72 on July 24, 2006, at 3:43:25
>RIGHT ON CASHY!!! ITotally agree with your advice for johnny...
even this has picked up my spririts!! I have been having it rought the last couple of days myself... overwhelmed .. not handling stress that well.... anxiety,,, dizzy, tired... but IM hangin in... acupuntures helps tone this down for awhile.
I was doin not too bad the last week, but now its yuk again..
sleep isnt as good againl..but well like you say... I just get REAL TOUGH ON MYSELF when i start to spiral... its hard like yu say,, but what can uyou do... you either tough it out or stay on drugs forever with nasty side effects and weird thoughts!!!Musky
Hey Johnny, Sorry too hear your still having it tough mate... You have too break this cycle of negative thinking, try and get angry when your really low, THINK positive thoughts, when your down in the dumps, put on your favourite cd, and turn up the volume real loud... imagine yourself somewhere else... its tough i know, believe me.. another a/d is DEFINATELY not the answer... have you tried Valerian extract for sleeping??.... hang in there my friend, you may only be a day or two from turning that corner which at the moment feels like it's far away, keep going, be strong.................
> HANG IN THERE JOHNNY..
> CASHY72..
Posted by musky on July 24, 2006, at 23:28:27
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » cashy72, posted by johnnyj on July 24, 2006, at 14:13:02
> sounds a bit better for you today johnny
But I dont believe it for one MINUTE that it isnt withdrawl... those docs DONT know the drug and its physiological effects on the body..period..
just think.. that Remeron works on THREE diffent pathways in the brain... of course it wont recover in just 2months!!!! and you are still on lithium right ?? if i recall... enter another drug.. and the lunesta... of course they blame anxiety.. but you have to ask yourself what is causing the anxiety??? thoughts??? the w/d , biochemistry... so like they say you have to change your thinking. that is right advice.. talk to you therapist.. I had some cognitve thereapy myself and it totally makes sense..Hang in theree
MuskyI have been on lunesta and today was tolerable. Went to pdoc and she said my symptoms are anxiety related and said I need to see my therapist every week and try and change my thinking. She said I should not dwell on my physical sympotoms and said she doesn't think it is still withdrawal. If that is the case things are not looking good. I don't feel too much anxiety but have a lot of body stuff and fatigue that is terrible. It is so easy to get negative when one is so tired. She said a body can recover because I asked if a body is permanantely screwed from meds. She didn't think so. I see a new doc on Wed. as my current one is changing jobs. I sit here with a light sweat. My body is so tired and I wonder how long I can last like this? I don't want to fall into a terrible depression because my mind needs somewhere to escape. I am afraid, but I don't want to give up.
Posted by musky on July 24, 2006, at 23:34:17
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » johnnyj, posted by jules354 on July 24, 2006, at 14:16:57
> Hey jules
I thought you were doing the best of all of us.. You were really giving me hope that u could be drug free...
Whats going on?? you say long term withdrawl??? HOw long has it been for you..
NOw im a little worried,, but Im fighting this damn thing to the very end... NO more Remeron or a/d for me.. No matter what.. even if im in a total panick /anxiety.. I will slap myself silly to fight it.... sounds extreme but those drugs are poison and that is no quality of life for me thanky9uGood luck and I hope your anxiety improves
Im having it rought these last few days too, but Im hanging in... 2months off. and going day by day
Muskyjohnnyj,
>
> if you decide you need to back on an a/d, i support you. you're doing the absolute best you can and it's not the end of the world if you go back on something. i promised myself i'd do the same if i found things too tough. it might not be forever, after all. i've been struggling a lot with anxiety the last few weeks - not sure now if it's related to (my now long-term) remeron w/d or a new thing for me that i'm learning to deal with along with life changes. i'm staying open to trying medication again, if it seems like the best option.
>
> anyway, let us know how it goes and i wish you some relief soon.....
>
> take care,
> jules
Posted by johnnyj on July 25, 2006, at 17:32:23
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » johnnyj, posted by jules354 on July 24, 2006, at 14:16:57
Thank you Jules, you are very kind.:)
I slept about 7 hours last night with lunesta. I just had to take something. My mood is very tenious right now. Anxiety is big and I believe that is my biggest problem. The thing is I am better able to think rationally about it right now than when I was on the remeron.
I have a lot of physical stuff like tense stomach, constipation, chest zings, etc. My gut is out of whach that is for sure. I am working on trying to reduce stress and just let things go but it is hard ya know. It is a ton or work and I don't know if I can do it but I like feeling more clear in the head. I see a new doc tomorrow and then we see. take care
johnnyj
Posted by jules354 on July 26, 2006, at 0:19:49
In reply to Re: I pray that you all, posted by musky on July 24, 2006, at 23:34:17
hi musky,
i made plans to see a hypnotherapist and use some homeopathy and rescue remedy to deal with the anxiety. i will let you know how that works out!
all this is making me think there should really be a study done on anxiety in particular in withdrawal...is anyone in the research communty listening???
hang in there- it's been 5 months for me, i can hardly believe it.
take care,
jules
Posted by musky on July 26, 2006, at 0:29:04
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » musky, posted by jules354 on July 26, 2006, at 0:19:49
> Hi jules
yes that sounds good... hypnotherapy.. thought about that myself actually EMDR which is a desensitive treatment to reduce anxiety about certain issues..past and present .. I may try this later.. right now acupuncture is keeping me clean and off the Remeron.. been 2months for me.
Ive also heard of the rescue remedy.. its natural product.. I almost was going to try it but now I think im ok with just meditation, exercise and acupuncture.. going on vacation too ,, that should help(lol)
Good luck... stay clean... takes a LONg time
Im in research ...but not with anxiety .. cancer research.. however I cross paths with ALOT of docs.. I will keep my ears open if I hear of anyone doing research with anxiety.. sometimes if we research tooo much is no good... like with all the stupid meds out there to supposedly "treat this and that disorder..... please! We are a overdiagnosed society if you ask me.. I think we need to calm down and get back to the basics... and just enjoy the life..Musky
hi musky,
>
> i made plans to see a hypnotherapist and use some homeopathy and rescue remedy to deal with the anxiety. i will let you know how that works out!
>
> all this is making me think there should really be a study done on anxiety in particular in withdrawal...is anyone in the research communty listening???
>
> hang in there- it's been 5 months for me, i can hardly believe it.
>
> take care,
> jules
Posted by musky on July 26, 2006, at 0:35:32
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » jules354, posted by johnnyj on July 25, 2006, at 17:32:23
> Hi johnnny
Glad to hear you slept 7hrs.. remember though its drug induced and not the real you ,, but if you were really desperate ... well you did what u had to.. Me IM just toughing it out with the sleep and my own body is slowly balancing out ... and again acupuncture helps you sleep too..
Hang in.. you'll make it.... and be med free like jules, cashy... and me too( slowly!!)... I just take a day at a time with no meds.. and I just dont look back or even think of Remeron! ... done deal for me ... I have to believe this... ive mad it this far without it... so I just keep goin..
Remember too.. dont let the docs dictate everything for you.. do what you think is best for your body... if you trust your doc..fine.. but listen to your instinct... .. thats the best judge.. docs just keep suggesting pillss(most of them anyways)...
Good luck
Musky
Thank you Jules, you are very kind.:)
>
> I slept about 7 hours last night with lunesta. I just had to take something. My mood is very tenious right now. Anxiety is big and I believe that is my biggest problem. The thing is I am better able to think rationally about it right now than when I was on the remeron.
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> I have a lot of physical stuff like tense stomach, constipation, chest zings, etc. My gut is out of whach that is for sure. I am working on trying to reduce stress and just let things go but it is hard ya know. It is a ton or work and I don't know if I can do it but I like feeling more clear in the head. I see a new doc tomorrow and then we see. take care
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Posted by jeninco on July 26, 2006, at 10:33:23
In reply to Re: I pray that you all, posted by musky on July 26, 2006, at 0:35:32
Just wanted to add my update. I tapered down VERY slowly, and low, though not as long as others. I tried stopping at 3.75 and nearly ended up in the hospital, so I went back and immediately started a gradual taper. I went down to as much as 1/16 of a 15 mg pill every 3 days before quitting. For me, this was the right thing to do. My body is very sensitive to medication and I needed to prepare it.
Initially I had some nights where I didn't sleep much, and I did take some ambien every now and then the first month. But now, it's going on 1 1/2 months and I haven't popped an ambien in at least a month. I got where it didn't leave me feeling rested, I just wasn't awake all night.
Like Johnny, insomnia is my biggest fear. In a given week I'd say I sleep 8 hours 4-5 days. I stay up until midnight and get up by 8 (I'm at home with kids). Even so, anxiety or something will keep me up 2-3 nights a week, most of the time. It's unpleasant but not unbearable.
I have experienced no other anxiety or headaches, vs. before when I quit at 1/4 pill and SERIOUSLY thought I would lose my mind. I know there are those of you who said my tapering wasn't a good idea, but for anyone who is trying to quit remeron, I say it's worth while. This is how my doctor got me off zoloft as well.
Hang in there everyone-I wish you all the best.
Posted by johnnyj on July 26, 2006, at 17:08:02
In reply to Re: I pray that you all, posted by jeninco on July 26, 2006, at 10:33:23
If you sleep 8 hours 4/5 nights you will be ok. If I could do that without a sleep aid I would be in heaven. Congrats on the taper. Good luck and I will send a prayer out for ya.
johnnyj
Posted by jeninco on July 26, 2006, at 21:16:00
In reply to Re: I pray that you all » jeninco, posted by johnnyj on July 26, 2006, at 17:08:02
Thank you Johnny. And I do know what you are going through. Insomnia is the reason I started on remeron-all of the sleep aids either stopped working or gave me horrible headaches.
I am reading an excellent book now that I highly recommend. It's called, "Say Good Night to Insomnia: The Six-Week, Drug-Free Program Developed At Harvard Medical School" by Gregg D. Jacobs. It basically teaches you to reteach yourself how to sleep and to let go of the things you have taught yourself to believe about why you can't sleep.
I completely understand what it's like though to go on and on without sleep. Experts will tell you that eventually your body will kick in and overwhelm you with the need for sleep, but it hardly happened for me.
Can't ambien and lunesta be responsible for bringing on depression? I felt a little bit of that from taking ambien every other day or so; it was one of the reasons I was able to just try getting by on less sleep. Have you thought about talking to a therapist? I've been advised to try that, hypnosis, accupuncture-things like that.
I really hope you are able to get some relief soon. I'm so sorry you are having such a rotten time.
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