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Posted by elsie_girl on May 30, 2006, at 10:13:08
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms » Damos, posted by SLS on February 21, 2005, at 8:08:00
have been taking efexor for 4 years up to 375mg day. have been reducing to get off it and am down to 37.5mg day. my problem is this - have been having really hay fever like symptoms - really bad nasal congestion. Can only put it down to withdrawal. Has anyone else ever suffered from Efexor withdrawal like this?
Posted by Jonesen on June 7, 2006, at 15:51:55
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by Minnie-Haha on February 22, 2005, at 15:27:43
Has anyone experienced a strange sensation in their chest when tapering off the drug? I am in day 2 of coming down from 150 to 112.5 and I feel a little off. Nothing yet that rivals many of these horror stories, but I feel very jittery and there is a feeling in my chest like something just scared the hell out of me. I've never felt something like that before.
Posted by elsie_girl on June 9, 2006, at 1:02:18
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms » SamIAm, posted by SLS on February 21, 2005, at 8:37:33
I have been 10 days off Efexor XR. I did a slow taper off over a few months. The last dose I had was 37.5 mg/day. My withdrawal symptoms started 2 days after I stopped. Mostly up and down mood swings, agitation, irritability, hyperactivity, insomnia, vertigo, bad nasal congestion (don't know if this is on the list or REALLY related but worst I have ever had), and now I am feeling really down again. Today I have got through with diazepam after checking with my GP. I would like to know if when others have come off their AD's how long it took them to get it out of their system. Think I will go crazy if it takes more than a few weeks. Can anyone else tell me their experiences with withdrawal - what to expect? How did you feel later? Did you ever get back to feeling well - like before AD's? I was not feeling too bad in myself up until today, felt like I was getting back to normal self not brain fogged with AD's.
Would help me get through this if I knew what others had been through too. Thanks.
Posted by gabmeister on June 12, 2006, at 16:50:06
In reply to Symptoms_Chest/ EffexorXR withdrawal, posted by Jonesen on June 7, 2006, at 15:51:55
> Has anyone experienced a strange sensation in their chest when tapering off the drug? I am in day 2 of coming down from 150 to 112.5 and I feel a little off. Nothing yet that rivals many of these horror stories, but I feel very jittery and there is a feeling in my chest like something just scared the hell out of me. I've never felt something like that before.
The first time I went off Effexor was about 5 years ago. I do recall feeling a "heaviness", across my chest, almost like there was a heavy weight being put on it. Scared the living bee-jeez-us out of me. It passed although it made it impossible to sleep at night. Sometimes it also felt like my heart was beating so hard it would explode.
Check with your doc. Also, please, please make sure you get off the Effexor slowly. Towards the end I was taking a quarter of a 37.5 every two then three then four days. I would push it as far as I could, but if the withdrawal systems started I would take a bit of med. Finally, I was able to completely stop.
Unfortunately a year and a half later had to go back on Effexor. Been on it four years this time, but have made appt with doc re getting off.
I want to feel alive again. It will take several months but it's better than they way I now feel on the drug.
Good luck to you. Tonite I'm gonna ask god to help me through this and will say a prayer for you. Take care.
Posted by gabmeister on June 12, 2006, at 17:18:17
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by elsie_girl on June 9, 2006, at 1:02:18
> I have been 10 days off Efexor XR. I did a slow taper off over a few months. The last dose I had was 37.5 mg/day.
I took about two and a half months to get off. Went off a bit too quickly and had symptoms: nausea, vomitting, brutal headaches, brain shivers, when I moved my eyes it felt like the outside world was doing a summersault, and severe trembling hands. Symptoms were so bad I went back full doseage. A few months later I decided to go off much slower. At the time I was taking 37.5 once in morning and once at night. Week one and two of going off: morning 1 pill / evening 1/2 pill. Week 3 & 4: morning 1/2 pill / evening 1/2 pill. Eventually I was down to 1/2 pill per day. Then 1/2 every second day or third day, depending on whether or not I was getting symptoms. As soon as I felt them coming on I would take a half pill. Believe it or not, I was finally down to 1/4 pill every second or third day. It took time but I was finally free and did it with almost zero withdrawl symptoms.
Do you think perhaps going from 37.5 to 0mg in one step was too drastic? Don't forget this stuff is majorly addictive. From my own experience I'd suggest maybe trying 37.5 every other day, then 1/2 pill for a while, then 1/2 every second day, then maybe even trying my 1/4 pill trick. The extra time it takes to get off the med is well worth avoiding the withdrawl symptoms.
>My withdrawal symptoms started 2 days after I stopped. Mostly up and down mood swings, agitation, irritability, hyperactivity, insomnia, vertigo, bad nasal congestion (don't know if this is on the list or REALLY related but worst I have ever had), and now I am feeling really down again. Today I have got through with diazepam after checking with my GP. I would like to know if when others have come off their AD's how long it took them to get it out of their system. Think I will go crazy if it takes more than a few weeks. Can anyone else tell me their experiences with withdrawal - what to expect? How did you feel later? Did you ever get back to feeling well - like before AD's? I was not feeling too bad in myself up until today, felt like I was getting back to normal self not brain fogged with AD's.I was on the Effexor for a year and a half and felt pretty good. Then the depression started creeping in again and I willingly went back on. I've been back on for 4 years (compared to 14 months the first time). This time around I find the drug's giving me a foggy brain (just as you describe) and I am at the point where I want to do absolutely nothing.. don't even leave the house on the weekends, just watch t.v. I've decided to go off again because I want to feel alive again not just existing through the days.I know within myself I am doing the right thing.
I also know that even if it takes a few months again, I will be weening myself slowly like last time. Right down to that last little 1/4 pill!
> Would help me get through this if I knew what others had been through too. Thanks.I wish you all the best. If you need to go back to a very small doseage to help get you through.. do it. The time between each pill or piece there of will be further and further apart.
My thoughts are with you and I know that we can both beat this addiction.
Posted by laura k on June 19, 2006, at 10:49:18
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by gabmeister on June 12, 2006, at 17:18:17
I hate to suggest it cos I am so wary of meds these days.. but a little Ativan seemed to help my withdrawal from celexa, which had the same sort of symptoms.. vomiting, zaps, muscle twitches, etc. I went off it pretty quickly. I also did a liver and gallbladder cleanse and coffee enemas to help detox my system faster. I had serious breathing problems, too. I used a bipap machine with oxygen to keep my breathing regulated. Good luck with it all. I know it is miserable.
Posted by over 55 on June 19, 2006, at 11:23:51
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by gabmeister on June 12, 2006, at 17:18:17
I thought of the "cleanse" routine too, but since I was using the Prozac to wean off the Effexor I was afraid it would cleanse it all out and I might go really "crazy" (pun intended). Sorry I know it is not laughing matter, but sometimes it just all gets too heavy and we need a little laughter to make the medicine go down. I was afraid too many toxins running amuck would be a bad thing. I try not to think too much about fighting one toxic effect by taking another toxin. I just can't think straight sometimes so that must be the reason. Maybe that explains the sugar cravings etc (ha ha). Be well, and know you are not alone!!
Posted by elsie_girl on June 20, 2006, at 19:34:25
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 19, 2006, at 11:23:51
To all those of you who replied - "thank you very much"! It is so nice to know that people care enough to reply. I am now 3 weeks without Efexor and what a rollercoaster it has been. I do some casual work and have been getting quite a bit lately - it is winter here and the season where casuals are needed. But, some days I had to knock the work back. Some days I don't know whether I have been suffering from viruses or whether it is the side effects of withdrawals because I have a lot of muscular pain too. But I have been told by medical people that one symptom of withdrawal is a 'flu like feeling. Have also been told that Efexor is one of the harder AD's to get off re: side effects.
I am hoping that I am on the downwards slide now and that things can only get better. I have a much clearer head than I have had in years, am sleeping less (not 10-12 hrs a day), and I am more motivated to do things. My house is starting to look a lot tidier and I am feeling much more in control - except for the physical symptoms. I am wanting to work now too - whereas some days I did not know if I could cope.
Just hope I don't slide down into too deep a depression again. Don't ever want to go back onto Efexor though - even Zoloft did not have the side effects Efexor had on me.
Much love and luck to you all - thanks again for your support.
Posted by da on June 21, 2006, at 7:34:39
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by elsie_girl on June 20, 2006, at 19:34:25
I have now been off Effexor for a total of 7 days. I did take Prozac for about 3 days but could not stand the cloudiness it made me feel. I have to say I feel much better. I still have the "brain zaps" every now and then and I have found that taking some motrin or Advil helps with that feeling. I am not quite sure why. Thanks. Now, to take the Wellbuterin or not. I just don't know yet.
Posted by over 55 on June 21, 2006, at 9:30:20
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by gabmeister on June 12, 2006, at 17:18:17
Looks like there are several of us weaning off Effexor and are at about the 3 week stage. I feel pretty lucky compared to some I have read. A little muscle weakness and nausea with headache. There are times when I feel very good and clean headed so think there is hope. I am weaning off to Prozac so that may be why the side effects are less too. I had the brain zaps while on Effexor and tried to tell the Dr I felt like my brain was trying to electically charge itself. He wrote down "crazy" and of-course had never heard of that before.
Gabmeister: How about an update on your progress since we haven't heard from you in a while. Are you feeling any better and how is it going?
Posted by da on June 21, 2006, at 10:26:11
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 21, 2006, at 9:30:20
That is me as well. I feel extremely lucky so far. It is a day by day sort of thing. Every morning I wake up and think, "ok, how am I feeling this morning". I think my biggest concern is when the Prozac is out of my system will the Effexor withdrawls come back. I guess the only thing to do is wait and see.
Posted by elsie_girl on June 22, 2006, at 20:29:33
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 21, 2006, at 9:30:20
Am having a day from hell! It is now 3 weeks & 4 days off the Efexor and I am sick with a virus. Problem is that I am EXTREMELY IRRITABLE! Everything seems to annoy me. Because I am not so easy going as before when I was on AD's, I am now finding things a little bit harder to cope with. Hope I even out a bit. Has anyone else had this experience? Don't really want to go back onto other meds. I would like to try and ride this out if I can.
Many thanks for your comments so far - they have helped.
Posted by gabmeister on June 23, 2006, at 16:07:10
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 21, 2006, at 9:30:20
Hi Over 55... Thanks for thinking of me. Well I'm weaning. I'm going down 18.75 at a time (learned that from past experience). Doing pretty good overall but am slightly nauseous at times and have to take gravol (I think in the States it's called dramamine - but can only take half a tab of that 'cause a whole tab puts me to sleep - not a good thing when you're at work). The one thing that bothers me the most is what I call "brain shivers" (possibly similar to your "zaps"?). I've been on the 18.75 lower dosage for about 2 1/2 weeks and am going another 18.75 lower starting tomorrow. Will stay at that til I adjust again. Then down another 18.75. Last time took me 3-4 months to get off but it was the only way I could do it. In fact, right at the end I was actually finding it absolutely needed a 1/4 of a pill every 2 - 3 days. That's how addictive this stuff is. I remember at one point almost giving up and going back on, but a co-worked convinced me I had come too far and needed to stick it out. Which I did.
Unfortunately the depression reared its ugly little head again after about 1 1/2 years.
I find right now, as someone else posted, I'm sleeping less; feel a bit more energetic; and yes, the house is a bit tidier. I could actually get myself together enough last weekend to plant some flowers in the yard. May not sound like much but hadn't done that in 4 years.
I also hadn't left the house in 4 years (except to go to work) and I'm now at least able to go into the yard.
I'm actually starting to (slowly but surely) "feel" again, if that makes sense.
I live day to day and just keeping hoping I don't have symptoms I can't deal with, or if I do, that the worst happens at home, not work.My doc also didn't understand about the "brain shivers" / zaps. They should live a day in our shoes and they're figure it out pretty quick. But then again, I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
Thanks for asking about me. I think about all you guys and slip in a little prayer every nite.
We will get through this.
Be strong.
Posted by over 55 on June 26, 2006, at 9:29:58
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by da on June 21, 2006, at 10:26:11
Da,
So how is it going with withdrawal? You were concerned about when the Prozac wears off if Effexor withdrawal's will return. Did that happen? I guess I am hoping that once things are over; they are over. I want to keep moving forward; not go backward. I am feeling better and better. Can feel some anxiety coming back; but life is like that so I have to feel "something" to be able to feel the good things too. It's a package deal I guess. Take care.
Posted by over 55 on June 26, 2006, at 9:36:47
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms » over 55, posted by gabmeister on June 23, 2006, at 16:07:10
Glad to hear you are still hanging in there Gabmeister. Something I am wondering about is if medication can damgage the receptors to where they never function normally again without the meds? Does anyone know if there is an answer to that. I don't want to be on meds the rest of my life and yet I don't want to be miserable either. If the brain doesn't make the right chemicals at any given time what can make it "heal" and be able to do that again? I am in no way a Dr so trying to understand how the brain works is a great mystery. I did take a psycho-biology class in college that was very interesting though so at least know some of the terminology.
Posted by over 55 on June 26, 2006, at 9:46:41
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by elsie_girl on June 22, 2006, at 20:29:33
> Am having a day from hell! It is now 3 weeks & 4 days off the Efexor and I am sick with a virus. Problem is that I am EXTREMELY IRRITABLE! Everything seems to annoy me. Because I am not so easy going as before when I was on AD's, I am now finding things a little bit harder to cope with. Hope I even out a bit. Has anyone else had this experience? Don't really want to go back onto other meds. I would like to try and ride this out if I can.
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> Many thanks for your comments so far - they have helped.
I think the irritability comes from the numbness wearing off. I too have noticed noises seem louder and more abrasive, even normal ones. I feel overstimulated by normal activity around me. Before the world felt a little "muted" and now I see and hear everything in stereo. It can be overwhelming. I think the hypersensitivity may be the pendalum swinging to far right and hopefully it will settle somewhere in the middle as we get used to "normal" again. I found myself "snapping at others". Not their problem; it was me. Had to take a step back and tell myself to really think before I speak as my nerves seem to be raw and on edge right now. I think things will even out for us with time. Hang in there.
Posted by gabmeister on June 26, 2006, at 16:23:35
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 26, 2006, at 9:46:41
HI everyone. I agree with over 55. I think we've all been numbed for so long that we're not used to anything else anymore.
I went out Saturday for a few hours and something as simple as lunch at the local pub with hubby was like sensory overload. On one hand it was great to get out of this damn house, but on the other hand it sure was hard and I couldn't wait to get back home. But that being said, instead of sitting in when we got back I actually spent a few hours in the backyard with loving hubby and we played cards. I found that so much easier to handle 'cause the yard's quiet and the card games were relaxing, not to mention the wine.
I think we all need to re-learn how to deal with the rest of the world, which lord knows, isn't always the easiest thing to do.
Keep pluggin' away. This too shall pass.
Posted by elsie_girl on June 26, 2006, at 22:59:41
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by gabmeister on June 26, 2006, at 16:23:35
Hi all! Thanks for your messages so far. Unfortunately, I didn't make it off the Efexor without having to take something else. My doc is not really too up on meds and so have had to chase info myself. Have started on Lovan since 4 days ago. I am still on an emotional rollercoaster, now it is not only the agitation, irritability etc. the depression is creeping back in too, so I guess my dream of not being on anything is slowly fading away.
I was interested in the question about whether our brains will ever make up the deficiency etc. in the meds (or something like that). I have been wondering about that myself. At the moment I am feeling like I wished I had never started on AD's but know that they helped me at a time when I really needed it. I too wonder if our brains have the capacity to rejuvenate, but don't think so. I think it may be something like being a diabetic - you always need the insulin once you start don't you?
Am having other problems with my health at the moment too, what I thought was a virus apparently isn't (according to my doc). I have had ongoing problems for years and it is acute at the moment so between the withdrawals and that - my doc said she doesn't know what to do with me. She has basically put me in the "too hard" basket. Great news for me!
I am looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. Hope next time I post I will be feeling better. My love and prayers to you all.
Posted by da on June 27, 2006, at 7:37:36
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 26, 2006, at 9:29:58
Hey over 55, Thanks for the check up. Yes, everything seems to be going ok. I haven't taken the effexor in 1 week and 6 days. Haven't taken the prozac in 1 week and 3 days. The only thing I have noticed still is the brain zaps. I am hoping those will go away and not be a permenant fixture in my brain. I did end up taken the wellbuterin. I am now on my 3rd day. I haven't noticed anything major though. Waiting patiently on that wait loss. We will see. How about you? How is it going so far?
Posted by over 55 on June 27, 2006, at 9:25:34
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by da on June 27, 2006, at 7:37:36
> Hey over 55, Thanks for the check up. Yes, everything seems to be going ok. I haven't taken the effexor in 1 week and 6 days. Haven't taken the prozac in 1 week and 3 days. The only thing I have noticed still is the brain zaps. I am hoping those will go away and not be a permenant fixture in my brain. I did end up taken the wellbuterin. I am now on my 3rd day. I haven't noticed anything major though. Waiting patiently on that wait loss. We will see. How about you? How is it going so far?
Hi,
Today is the first day off Effexor completely and am on 20mg of Prozac only. I have Effexor so can wean off more slowly if needed, but really hope that is it for me. My head feels clearer each day and yes, the noise feels louder!!
Although I haven't dropped any weight I do feel motivated to "try" to eat better and even start to really exercise. I get up and do some Yoga stretches to keep me from hurting when I walk, but that is not really exercise to lose weight. I just need something with the sweat taken out ( : I haven't had my "head sweat" thing for a week or so now. I am just feeling better and better. I am very tired still. It may have something to do with getting the toxins out too. Like I come home from work and end up taking a little nap before I can do the night time routine. But, I am waking up ready to get up at 6:15A. I do like to sleep so can't really blame that on the meds.
I think the Prozac should be about fully in my system now at 25 days. I agree that if I needed insulin I would take it and I don't have a problem with staying on "something" if I really need to, but sure wish I could figure out if I need it or not. I don't want to go back into the "darkness" to find out though. Many times I've been tempted to just go there as it is somewhat comfortable and "known" for me. But I know that is not healthy and can usually find a ray of hope somewhere to hang onto. I have so many things to be thankful for in my life I just can't dwell on this albatross too much. This site has been so helpful to me to be able to share with others who have gone through similar situations and are still overcoming obstacles in their own lives. There is hope for all of us and I want to thank all of you for sharing and caring. That certainly sounded "Hallmarky" didn't it! Well, I meant it! Keep us all posted on progress and we can help each other.
Posted by elsie_girl on June 27, 2006, at 20:55:52
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 27, 2006, at 9:25:34
I just wanted to let you all know that looks like I have turned a corner - think there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately, I have had physical problems as well - I think it was a muscular type of virus although my doctor disagrees. Think I know my own body better than her though. Am feeling much better in the head though and this is day 5 of taking Lovan (fluoxetine).
Am feeling like I want to do so much, but know that I still have to take it easy. Have more motivation etc. Don't think Efexor was the best med for me. I was hoping not to have to go back onto anything but, who am I kidding? If Lovan helps me get through the day and let me feel somewhat normal then I just have to accept that maybe I need it.
This site has certainly helped me too. "Hallmarky" or not I agree with you - talking to others in a similar position certainly helps. I have certainly felt "looney" the past few weeks, but now feeling more "normal".
Good luck to you all - will keep posting.
> > Hey over 55, Thanks for the check up. Yes, everything seems to be going ok. I haven't taken the effexor in 1 week and 6 days. Haven't taken the prozac in 1 week and 3 days. The only thing I have noticed still is the brain zaps. I am hoping those will go away and not be a permenant fixture in my brain. I did end up taken the wellbuterin. I am now on my 3rd day. I haven't noticed anything major though. Waiting patiently on that wait loss. We will see. How about you? How is it going so far?
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> Hi,
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> Today is the first day off Effexor completely and am on 20mg of Prozac only. I have Effexor so can wean off more slowly if needed, but really hope that is it for me. My head feels clearer each day and yes, the noise feels louder!!
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> Although I haven't dropped any weight I do feel motivated to "try" to eat better and even start to really exercise. I get up and do some Yoga stretches to keep me from hurting when I walk, but that is not really exercise to lose weight. I just need something with the sweat taken out ( : I haven't had my "head sweat" thing for a week or so now. I am just feeling better and better. I am very tired still. It may have something to do with getting the toxins out too. Like I come home from work and end up taking a little nap before I can do the night time routine. But, I am waking up ready to get up at 6:15A. I do like to sleep so can't really blame that on the meds.
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> I think the Prozac should be about fully in my system now at 25 days. I agree that if I needed insulin I would take it and I don't have a problem with staying on "something" if I really need to, but sure wish I could figure out if I need it or not. I don't want to go back into the "darkness" to find out though. Many times I've been tempted to just go there as it is somewhat comfortable and "known" for me. But I know that is not healthy and can usually find a ray of hope somewhere to hang onto. I have so many things to be thankful for in my life I just can't dwell on this albatross too much. This site has been so helpful to me to be able to share with others who have gone through similar situations and are still overcoming obstacles in their own lives. There is hope for all of us and I want to thank all of you for sharing and caring. That certainly sounded "Hallmarky" didn't it! Well, I meant it! Keep us all posted on progress and we can help each other.
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Posted by over 55 on June 28, 2006, at 8:30:39
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms » over 55, posted by elsie_girl on June 27, 2006, at 20:55:52
Good for you Elsie-girl!! You sound much more positive and alive!! It is a beautiful day here in the midwest and I feel like my health is returning. What more can I ask?? Keep up the good work and I am sure you will do great!!
Posted by elsie_girl on June 28, 2006, at 20:55:46
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by over 55 on June 28, 2006, at 8:30:39
> Good for you Elsie-girl!! You sound much more positive and alive!! It is a beautiful day here in the midwest and I feel like my health is returning. What more can I ask?? Keep up the good work and I am sure you will do great!!
Thanks! By the way I am in Australia and it is a nice wintery day here too. Still have some physical problems but at least while my brain is working better I am coping better too. Thanks for your caring. Will let you know how I go. Best wishes to you too.
Posted by elsie_girl on June 30, 2006, at 0:51:21
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by gabmeister on June 26, 2006, at 16:23:35
Hi all! This is day 7 of being on Lovan and thought I was doing Ok, but yesterday I started to get a headache back again and today is worse. Did any of you experience bad headaches on Efexor? Have any of you also been on Lovan? Did you have headaches? If so, are they just during the settling down period or do they continue? I am going to start a new thread also, but thought you guys might me of some help. Was just starting to come good again. I am tempted to stop taking the Lovan too at this early stage. Any thoughts etc.???
Posted by elsie_girl on June 30, 2006, at 0:51:36
In reply to Re: Effexor withdrawal - physical symptoms, posted by gabmeister on June 26, 2006, at 16:23:35
Hi all! This is day 7 of being on Lovan and thought I was doing Ok, but yesterday I started to get a headache back again and today is worse. Did any of you experience bad headaches on Efexor? Have any of you also been on Lovan? Did you have headaches? If so, are they just during the settling down period or do they continue? I am going to start a new thread also, but thought you guys might me of some help. Was just starting to come good again. I am tempted to stop taking the Lovan too at this early stage. Any thoughts etc.???
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