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Posted by Declan on October 26, 2006, at 15:11:26
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 12:31:19
Even so, once you've had pure acid you don't forget it. There are a lot of different chemicals in "Pikhal" and "Tikhal", some of which have doses low enough to fit in blotters, not to speak of things that wouldn't have made it into Shulgin's books.
Posted by laima on October 26, 2006, at 15:49:59
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 12:31:19
If this is true, I'm genuinely astonished. First question- how many "middle-men"? Could they soak the blotters in anything somewhere along in the distribution cycle? You might say soaking would mess up those stamps- but what of the blotters that were just pastel bits of paper? Or, for that matter- could any of the raw ingredients have been tampered with or adulterated? Second, when I was in college, acid was THE thing on campus. I had a lot of friends, they had a lot of friends...next thing you know, there were hundreds of people networked who would have consensus over "this acid is speedy, this acid is awsome", etc. How could that many people be so collectively suggestable- not even knowing each other- having very different personalities...even consensus AFTER the fact, such as, "oh- that stuff that was around a few months ago was awful, wasn't it"? I just don't get it. And another thing- not once did I ever hear of anyone having a full-blown hallucination then. Not one single report. Nothing more than the "patterning", distortion of objects already there, trailing- that sort of thing. Why then, would Mel have a real hallucination if the common "wisdom" was "PCP gives hallucinations-stay away from it- acid can't and doesn't". Is that true? And please no one quote any govt reports- it's widely known those were falsified. I just don't get it.
How does PCP come- is that also on blotters?
> One of the primary arguments against the premise that differences in LSD experiences are the result of differences in quality of material has come from people i've spoken to who have distributed and aliquoted acid in the past. One such person described how some recipients of his LSD would go on at length about how distinct and how much better one type of blotter was than another. Yet, often, both types had been aliquoted by this chemist on the same day, from the same batch of liquid, onto similar blotter paper bearing different designs.
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> LSD is very picky and doesnt like changes in environment, negative mental states, etc. Also preconceived notions about the effects of a certain type of LSD could influence the outcome.
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Posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 16:25:51
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by Declan on October 26, 2006, at 15:11:26
> Even so, once you've had pure acid you don't forget it. There are a lot of different chemicals in "Pikhal" and "Tikhal", some of which have doses low enough to fit in blotters, not to speak of things that wouldn't have made it into Shulgin's books.
Ok, so some extremely exotic research chems may have a dose small enough to fit onto a blotter. But really if its a good enough chemical to pass off as L to begin with i doubt most people are going to cry foul or ever know it wasnt the substance they thought it was. If someone has the knowledge and resources available to them to make these research chems than they probably could make L so it seems like a waste of time.
Being from and growing up in the berkley of the northwest i've seen liquid L and even the crystal stuff, so "pure" isnt that exotic to me.
Posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 17:00:58
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you? » dbc, posted by laima on October 26, 2006, at 15:49:59
> If this is true, I'm genuinely astonished. First question- how many "middle-men"? Could they soak the blotters in anything somewhere along in the distribution cycle? You might say soaking would mess up those stamps- but what of the blotters that were just pastel bits of paper? Or, for that matter- could any of the raw ingredients have been tampered with or adulterated? Second, when I was in college, acid was THE thing on campus. I had a lot of friends, they had a lot of friends...next thing you know, there were hundreds of people networked who would have consensus over "this acid is speedy, this acid is awsome", etc. How could that many people be so collectively suggestable- not even knowing each other- having very different personalities...even consensus AFTER the fact, such as, "oh- that stuff that was around a few months ago was awful, wasn't it"? I just don't get it. And another thing- not once did I ever hear of anyone having a full-blown hallucination then. Not one single report. Nothing more than the "patterning", distortion of objects already there, trailing- that sort of thing. Why then, would Mel have a real hallucination if the common "wisdom" was "PCP gives hallucinations-stay away from it- acid can't and doesn't". Is that true? And please no one quote any govt reports- it's widely known those were falsified. I just don't get it.
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> How does PCP come- is that also on blotters? >
>I really dont know and human psychology is a weird thing. Large groups of people see jesus in a taco all the time.
I've never seen PCP as it fell greatly out of favor as a recreational drug after the 70s (at least on the west coast). As far as i can tell an active dose of pcp is around 10mg. Small but not small enough for blotter paper unless you were taking something the size of a quarter sheet. I've never had first hand experiance with the drug so i cant say anything but i have used other dissociatives and there is no way in hell you're going to fool anyone that a dissociative is L. A dissociative trip is sort of like falling into yourself and your interalizations so far that the world is meaningless. Its like being in a numb void.
LSDs hallucinations look like illusions...unless you're completely twisted on an amount so large you should really know better, i seriously doubt you're ever going to mistake them for reality. I've seen some weird stuff but never once was i ever convinced it was real. A moderate dose produces the usual wall breathing/patterns/yada. Higher ones may definetly cause full blown open eye hallucinations.
Posted by laima on October 26, 2006, at 19:25:20
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 17:00:58
From the "northwest"? Did you not know then that PCP was HUGE there during the mid 1990's? A bit north of Berkley, though. It was coming down from Vancouver regularly.And as for LSD, massive numbers of college educated people, including all kinds of atheists and pagans, etc., don't often see jesus on tacos and then later get together to compare notes. Not even the guys who took so much acid that they sat physically incapacitated in their van for 2 days straight solving a professor's tricky "impossible" equations saw jesus or anything else like that. But they did solve the equations, to the professor's astonishment.
Posted by laima on October 26, 2006, at 19:31:40
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 17:00:58
I'd add that the PCP people were very enthused about seeing outrageous, full blown hallucinations, like heards of pink elephants walking down the street, friendly space-men landing with their spaceships in their backyards, and so on. They got a huge thrill about such "adventures" which they felt livened things up a bit. I've NEVER heard about that sort of thing with LSD. Nothing even remotely like that. And I kept my far distance from the PCP, so never actually saw it. But that's why I speculate about if a small amount of it could not have been added to LSD at times, to "enhance" it.
Posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 22:26:32
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you? » dbc, posted by laima on October 26, 2006, at 19:25:20
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> From the "northwest"? Did you not know then that PCP was HUGE there during the mid 1990's? A bit north of Berkley, though. It was coming down from Vancouver regularly.
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I vaguely heard something about that in portland but to be honest i've never met anyone ever who's used PCP. Even the scummiest of heroin/meth junkies steer clear of that drug.
Posted by laima on October 27, 2006, at 7:08:58
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 22:26:32
The people I knew using PCP were indeed pretty scummy and "not quite with their marbles together", to say the least.I've met two cleaned-up and recovered heroin addicts who went through rehab, but think I've never even met anyone or know of anyone using or having used meth. I couldn't even imagine-
But heard an interesting "factoid"-not sure if it's true-that meth was developed by desperate factory workers and farm labourers to cope with their long intense hours of hard work???? So it's like a social class thing??????????
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> > From the "northwest"? Did you not know then that PCP was HUGE there during the mid 1990's? A bit north of Berkley, though. It was coming down from Vancouver regularly.
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> I vaguely heard something about that in portland but to be honest i've never met anyone ever who's used PCP. Even the scummiest of heroin/meth junkies steer clear of that drug.
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Posted by dbc on October 27, 2006, at 10:38:48
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you? » dbc, posted by laima on October 27, 2006, at 7:08:58
Methamphetamine is everywhere on the west coast. Chances are at least every other person you see on the street will know someone who's ruined their lives with it.
As far as its history i belive it was invented by a japanese scientist in the 1890s and has pretty much been a full scale epidemic in japan ever since.
Its definetly a working class drug.
I cant really look down on people who use it, if it werent for my monthly prescription of 270 dextro-amphetamine i'd probably end up in a nuthouse. Treatment resistant dysthymia + inattentive AD/HD seems to be utterly debilitating in everyone unlucky enough to be afflicted by them (me included).
Posted by laima on October 27, 2006, at 11:18:09
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 27, 2006, at 10:38:48
Interesting. I didn't know meth was from Japan or an epidemic there. The person who told me that "fact" about it being developed in US probably had it all wrong, and definately has political/class injustice interests. Maybe she meant to say it's a working class drug sometimes used for fatigue relief by over-worked labourers. It sounds like a truely horrifying substance, and I do know it's rampant in the US- I just don't personally know of anyone using it- probably a social class thing? Or because I tend to be surrounded by a lot of "intellectual"/academic types who aren't interested in it? (?) Those that would be, I'd speculate, would go for coke instead. Or precriptions. Which must explain why a certain pharmacist at my otherwise lovely pharmacy hassles me whenever I get a dose change or "refill too soon" with ritalin.I can't look down on the meth people either, but I feel very, very sad for them.
> Methamphetamine is everywhere on the west coast. Chances are at least every other person you see on the street will know someone who's ruined their lives with it.
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> As far as its history i belive it was invented by a japanese scientist in the 1890s and has pretty much been a full scale epidemic in japan ever since.
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> Its definetly a working class drug.
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> I cant really look down on people who use it, if it werent for my monthly prescription of 270 dextro-amphetamine i'd probably end up in a nuthouse. Treatment resistant dysthymia + inattentive AD/HD seems to be utterly debilitating in everyone unlucky enough to be afflicted by them (me included).
Posted by Declan on October 27, 2006, at 14:20:00
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by dbc on October 26, 2006, at 22:26:32
the scummiest of heroin/meth junkies
I personally would prefer we did not speak of our fellow humans like that. Especially since they are so poorly looked after, not only by themselves, but by us all, including the government.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 31, 2006, at 8:10:36
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you? » dbc, posted by Declan on October 27, 2006, at 14:20:00
> the scummiest of heroin/meth junkies
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> I personally would prefer we did not speak of our fellow humans like that. Especially since they are so poorly looked after, not only by themselves, but by us all, including the government.I agree, my brother is an ex- junkie...
M
Posted by SatinDoll on November 1, 2006, at 4:18:54
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 31, 2006, at 8:10:36
I asked him if he has ever tried it, and after asking why I need to know, he said he had, had friends that have. Well he has seen it do nothing bad to people like himself,(70's child) but he has also seen it put someone in a mental hospital for 2 weeks.
He says he would never do it now, for many reasons and he thinks it would be a bad idea for me as a mother and all. Being arrested wouldn't be a great idea if I were caught, plus the medical side of it, I have asthma, and what if it caused an attack, and I had to go the hospital. I guess too many risks for me just to try it. So I guess I will stay "vanilla" and not try it, I do trust his what he says. I thought it sounded like fun to try just once, but too risky for many reasons. Thanks everyone for all your insites and info about this.
Posted by oldschool305 on December 19, 2006, at 21:08:37
In reply to LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by SatinDoll on October 21, 2006, at 9:06:05
Oh man, I would love to share my experiences with LSD! I truly loved this drug more than words can express (I have not touched this stuff in over 8 years). I clearly remember the first time I took LSD (paper hit of Orange Sunshine). I was at a House party on the beach, and my "friend" was selling hits for $5. I had just that, and bought a hit. It hit me about 45 minutes after taking it and I was in heaven. All my senses and feelings were exxagerated by 500%. Luckily I was in a good mood to begin with, or... I will get to that later. There were over 300 ppl at this party, and I was out of my mind. I remember one guy doing this thing... called the "Invisible Box". It's where a person starts talking to you and he has an invisible box in his hands, he then places the invisible box over your head while his lips are still moving but he is not talking. He then removes the invisible box from your head and you can then hear him again, and it repeats over and over. On acid, this is the most amazing trick in the world!!!! I don't remember much else from the night. I was to sleep over a friends house but I was so out of my mind, she could not take me home to your house for her parents to see me this way. Next thing I know, it's 6am, everybody is gone, I am standing in the middle of the street talking to myself, asking myself how the hell I was going to get home. There were 2 guys getting ready to leave, putting the empty keg in their trunk. They were kind enough to drive me home. This occured in 1994, I was 14 years old!
I fell in love with this drug and started using it weekly with my best friends. we were hitch hiking to south beach one day, and an old hippy driving a hippy van picked us up. He asked us if we smoked pot, we were like hell yah! Smoked a nice fat one, then he asked us if we did cocaine.... Hell yah, took a few bumps and were in pure bliss. Moments later he asked if we did LSD, we said HELL FU*K YAH, and he said he was actually on his way to south beach to pick up a sheet of 100 hits of "Jesus Christ" hits of acid. We then went to his apartment and dropped 3 1/2 hits each. He had a keyboard, we made the most amazing music that mankind has ever heard (to us only probably lol). I will never forget the sounds, the melody, the orgasmic duet that my friend and I played, we must have been on that keyboard for hours. It was about 3am and we were pretty loud. Next thing we know, about 8 cop cars surronded the building and rushed up the stairs. We were so freaked out because we were soooo high, imagine going to jail while on LSD?!?!?!!!! So we all ran into his room and jumped in the closet// There were 4 of us in a tiny closet and I was upside down on my head (??). We heard banging and shouting but then everything died down, we went outside to look what the hell happened and they were arresting the next door neighbors !!!!!!!!!!!! Can you believe our luck omg! So we continued to have fun, and smoke lots of pot. He was house sitting a dog for a friend of his... beautiful little pooch. I remember going to the bathroom and didn't see him, and I shut the door on his leg and broke it! That killed my high right then. I went into a horrible trip, and my heart rate increased tremendously. He was yelling at me, the dog was yelping and crying, and my friends were cracking up. He then started to get slick with us and asked if we wanted to get nasty with him. WE LEFT! As we were walking back to the beach (we lived on the beach, under a boardwalk for months)... we ran into her sisters boyfriend. "HAVE YOU SEEN ALENA? SHE IS MISSING AND I'M SCARED HE WAS MURDERED BY A CRACKHEAD SHE WAS SLEEPING WITH". Mind you we were still tripping nuts and began a hunt to find our dear friend Alena. We walked in the park, searching the bushes for her body, looking behind buildings.... This was the freakiest sh*t. We ended up finding her, alive, at a crack dealers house.
we made our way back to the beach, and just stared off into the ocean. We started telling stories about "Ghost Boats" and my friend said if you stare long enough, you will see a ghost boat appear. We must have stared at the ocean for over an hour and there it was, a GHOST BOAT!!! I started freaking out, and crying and everybody else saw it too. It was so amazing, I will never forget the image of the light gray/faded boat with pirates aboard.
Over the years, I must have done over 100 hits of acid. I recall times sleeping over my friend Carolina's house. Her room was filled with florescent lights, posters, glow in the dark stars, etc. She had 1000 stars on the wall so it was really cool to look at while tripping on acid. She had a bass and would play pink floyd songs that would trip me out. i recall us taking a drive down ocean drive, she was tripping so hard at one point that she couldn't see... i remember her screaming "OMG I CANT DRIVE I CANT SEE I CANT SEE THE LIGHTS, is the light RED OR GREEN??? I DONT KNOW CAROLINA, THE LIGHT LOOKS PURPLE TO ME. I don't remember how we made it home.
I remember a time I caught a bus to see my friend Mike who had a huge house in a bad part of town. He sold weed and asked if I wanted to come hang out. Once I got there, we took a few hits of acid and smoked tons of weed. I was probably 15 years old at the time. He had a 7 ft. bong, we had to stand on a chair to smoke out of it!!! I remember going into his bathroom and looking at myself in the mirror. I was the ugliest monster on the planet. My face was red and my freckles were moving. I looked strung out to the fu*king max. I remember we started making out, and then all of a sudden I freaked out!!!! I don't know why, but I went into a horrible trip. When you go into a horrible trip, you can't breath right, your heart is racing, your mind is racing, all your negative thoughts are so powerful. I told him I had to leave immediately! he walked me to the bus stop, i went to my friends house who lived 4 miles away. i could NOT go home like this, plus i was a run away at the time. I get to my friends house, and her mother tells me ROXANNE IS GROUNDED< STAY AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER!!!!!!! and she slammed the door on my face. I remember sitting in the stairways freaking out, how am i going to get home, what am i going to do. i let me trip die down a bit and i caught a bus back to the beach.
I've had a lot of great, memorable trips. But one of my last trip was so severe and almost took my life. I was at my friends house, there was a party, there were drug deals going on, a line from the bathroom (where the drug deal was happening), all the way outside the house. We were watching a gothic movie, the lights were off, ppl were smoking lots of weed...... Something in the movie scared me, I began to freak and I couldn't breathe. Obviously I was breathing but I couldn't feel my breaths. They were very weak.... My trip was so bad that I ran into the bathroom while there was a crowd of ppl in there, got naked and jumped into a cold bath. everybody was looking at me and freaking out.... i was blacking out and everyone thought i was going to die. Most ppl left, they didn't want to get busted. My friend ran to call 911.... but before the ambulance came i dipped. my mom didn't know i was doing these kind of drugs and i was not ready to get caught. eventually my trip lightened up and i felt great once again. I could have died that night, and I promised myself I would never touch the drug again. The following week, Thanksgiving day, I tripped for the last time. I was with my friend Stephanie on the beach.... I don't remember anything about this trip. But I remember it was the last time I ever tripped on LSD.
Memories... Now I'm off to get a beer.
Posted by Sebastian on December 31, 2006, at 14:46:14
In reply to LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by SatinDoll on October 21, 2006, at 9:06:05
Some of the best experiences I ever had. When I was in highschool I would trip once a day. Its not addictive but you want to do it again. Its like escape from reality. If you do do it in your house make sure you are not alone. Some times people can't handle it and do someting stupid. Just make sure you stay saine, think it, rationalize.
Posted by laima on December 31, 2006, at 16:03:40
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by Sebastian on December 31, 2006, at 14:46:14
How on earth did you trip every day??? Did you ever sleep?
> Some of the best experiences I ever had. When I was in highschool I would trip once a day. Its not addictive but you want to do it again. Its like escape from reality. If you do do it in your house make sure you are not alone. Some times people can't handle it and do someting stupid. Just make sure you stay saine, think it, rationalize.
Posted by Sebastian on January 1, 2007, at 20:30:20
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by laima on December 31, 2006, at 16:03:40
I slept about 4 hours a night. Home from school, 8pm go out and trip till 4 in the morning, crash for a few hours till 8 am, go to school and repeat the cycle. Did this for about a month. By the end of it I wished that I had an IV of acid. The sleep is not that hard especialy when you get used to it. I once took a heaping had full of mushrooms, went home and was asleep in 15 min, dreaming about rainbows and flowers.
Posted by bulletproofair on January 6, 2007, at 0:01:58
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you? » laima, posted by Sebastian on January 1, 2007, at 20:30:20
dbc mentioned no other drug he knows of is effective in small amounts such as ug's (micrograms for those with no chem. background).
Try Fentanyl. I'm an ex-junkie (heroin) as well, to the person who correlate "scummy" with heroin users...I am currently in treatment at a methadone clinic though, and am doing wonderful. I graduate jr. college this semester w/ an associates in science, and am going on to get my bachelor's as an electrical technician.
Anyway, Fentanyl is effective anywhere from 5ug to 100ug (largest single dosage produced to my knowledge) and UP depending on your tolerance. Starting out on fentanyl, I could smoke about 10ug and get a wonderful opiate high. Fentanyl comes in duragesic patches in gel form. I crystallize the active ingredient in the gel (fentanyl) and smoke it on a foil (well, i used to anyway).
SO YES, there is another drug active at microgram levels.
ALSO, about LSD, I've done it no more than a few times, and have also done jimson weed once (i was told it was something else...), aka Datura, and tripped FACE for 2 days straight. I don't wanna type out what happened, but you lose all touch with reality and you become impersonal. On datura, reality was non-existent, I was in a 3 dimensional world coexisting with 2 dimension lifeforms and cartoon characters walking next to me. I smoked many cigarettes that were not there inside of buildings, and saw thousands of people at wal-mart at 3 in the morning that I stopped to talk to that were not there.
Datura LITERALLY makes a mentally SANE person become, within an hour or so, SCHIZOPHRENIC, not only to hallucinations that would seem realistic to a person that was sane, but hallucinations that a sane person on LSD would be able to notice and recognize as an actual hallucination and could tell that it was due to tripping off of a consumed substance. I became Datura...I became schizo to the point that stuffed santa claus figurines were actual people talking to me, in which cases I couldn't think logically to the point to tell myself that these hallucinations were not reality, as a person can on LSD.
If a person can get to the point and get the effects of datura from lsd, then an INSANE amount of lsd must be consumed and on top of that, it would have to be PURE GRADE. I know nobody that has ever tripped harder off of anything other than possibly belladonna or datura.
Finally, LSD is produced in liquid. Someone was asked what the middle men would do in order to reduce the potency. Well, if you get lsd straight from the manufacturer, it is obtained in eye dropper bottles, or glass bottles with droppers in them. The distributor then drops the lsd on blotters. There are also gelcaps, which are uniformly equal as far as dosage is concerned, and the only way they are able to reduce potency is to lie and say they are stronger than what they are. People that have droppers can add water to the dropper bottles, then sell them for much more money than the actual amount of lsd that was purchased. It is possible to make a good 500% profit from one bottle of LSD just from diluting it with water and selling it in 5 different bottles.
Those are my 2 cents. I've been in the drug scene for quite some time now...I know the ups, downs, lefts, rights of dealing, purchasing, dosing, overdosing (i've od'd on fentanyl and have clinically flatlined, been on lifesupport with an IV in each hand, a catheter, and a monstrous tube down my throat and was 1 of the 2 out of a total of 6 that survived from fentanyl overdoses at my local hospital).
I'm not happy with the previous paragraph, and i wish i never od'd, but i consumed other things along with the fentanyl that i believe interacted and caused that to happen. Everyone makes mistakes....this was one of my many.
I am now 3 months sober and drug free. I don't want anyone getting the impression that I currently am an active drug user, but I have been around the block....quite a few times in fact...
If anyone has anymore questions, post them up, and I might be able to help with more specifics.
Posted by Kath on January 23, 2007, at 19:58:47
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by bulletproofair on January 6, 2007, at 0:01:58
Congratulations on your 3 months!! Way to go!
As to LSD, I'm almost 60 & did it 2X in my early 20's.If I wave my hand slowly I still see whatever those 'flashes' or whatever they are - like shadows of my hand following after it - sort of like when someone fans cards or something. So it must have affected my brain permanently.
I can only remember things from the one time I used it. I remember seeing everything in bubble colours. And we went for a walk outside...when we got back it was actually raining (in real life) but to me, it was "actually" raining drops of blood. It was horrible. I "Knew" that it wasn't really - I was aware that I was on a trip, but to me it was REAL. The other awful thing that happened was that my cousin was sitting on the floor & he sort of turned into a crocodile. I knew it was my cousin, but it wa sort of a crocodile also.
THAT was pretty weird. My daughter thinks that the LSD might have had PCP's or something in it.
The only other drugs I did were weed & hash.
From my experience with LSD, I'd say it was very unpredictable & I don't know that there is a 'safe' way to do it. (unless mine was not pure, but then again, how would you know what you had was pure)
Kath
Posted by nolegirl23 on January 29, 2007, at 18:35:55
In reply to LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by SatinDoll on October 21, 2006, at 9:06:05
> I am in Psych class in school where we are learning about drug addiction and today we talked about LSD. I am 38 and only have tried pot a couple of times in my early 20's .
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> But the way he discribed the high, it makes me very curious about LSD, it sounds like fun. We were told of all the drugs this is one of the least chance of addiction. I don't know why I would like to try it, other than it sounds like fun. Would it hurt to try it once in the safety of my own home? Or should I just remain very vanilla and innocent? LOLLet me begin by saying that I am a VERY open-minded person who is a proponent of the phrase "don't knock it till you tried it"
As a mentally ill person (Anorexia Nervosa, bulima, Bipolar II, Panic Disorder), I tried LSD.
IT WAS THE SINGLE MOST WORST EXPERIENCE IN MY LIFE.
I am simply not strong minded enough to handle that kind of reality change.
And, believe me, YOUR REALITY CHANGES.I (like a complete MORON) felt the need to drive my car. So I did. I could not tell left from right, up from down, shoulder from road.
I asked my equally messed up passenger whether or not I was even driving on the correct side of the road.
I then locked myself in my car, and could not figure out how to get out.
My mind would not conceptualize that all I had to do was unlock my door and exit my vehicle.
So, I proceeded to try to kick out my windshield because I was convinced that there was NO WAY out of my car.Then my equally messed up 'friend' convinced me that my roommate had a plot to kill me. He had me so sure that my live was going to end that night that at 3:30 am, I called my mother ( I was in college, age: 19, 800 miles away from my mom).
I then proceeded to advise my mother that my roommates were going to kill me and that I needed to drop out of school IMMEDIATELY. I assured her that I was driving home ( 10 hour drive) RIGHT THEN.
Luckily, my mom being the ex-hippie that she was knew exactly what was going on, and spent two hours talking me down from this 'bad trip.'Anyways, all in all, do your thing. BUT BEWARE.
If you are in any way mentally vulnerable, I would strongly advise against the use of LSD.That was my 2nd and LAST experience with LSD.
Good luck
Posted by crenshaw387 on April 18, 2007, at 21:37:56
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by nolegirl23 on January 29, 2007, at 18:35:55
if youve only smoked pot i might recommenttrying a loighter hallucinogen first such as maybe MDA heavy ecstasy or 2C-B as those are somewhat easier to not freak out on the first time... LSD is powerful and amazing in what it does... it lets you see the world as your imagination wants it so be... a very spiritually awakening experience... although i do enjoy LSD and feel it has a great place in learing about my mind i feel that ecstasy (MDMA) is the most awakening as it doesnt change ordinary perception very much but changes the feeling tone and reduces fear and anxiety allowing you to see life as it truly is without social stereotypes and such....
Posted by blueboy on August 20, 2007, at 12:54:42
In reply to LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by SatinDoll on October 21, 2006, at 9:06:05
I did some hallucinogenics in the 70's. LSD is very powerful. If you do take it, 1) make sure you do everything in your power to get it from a trusted source, like a friend who has tried the specific product before, and 2) make sure you are in a safe environment, as a bad environment can cause a nightmare. You lose control over emotional reactions to situations, so anything you perceive as threatening can be extraordinarily unpleasant.
People react very differently. I had a friend who could take LSD and drive a car on mountain roads. I could not have done that or even gotten close to doing it.
I will say, the best hallucinogen I ever took, and the only one I would even consider taking again, was organic mescaline. A very spiritual experience.
Posted by JohnnyBLinux on August 20, 2007, at 23:01:31
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by blueboy on August 20, 2007, at 12:54:42
I tried it once in the 90s, and I remember the experience vividly. I can still envision, in my mind, the visual hallucinations. No one else knew, except my friend of course, because I exercised control over my emotional reactions. Fortunately, I didn't have an unpleasant experience. It was a one-time-thing, because as you said, "LSD is very powerful".
It is a highly potent, mind-altering illegal substance.
I would say that it was a spiritual experience for me too.
Posted by Deus_Abscondis on September 8, 2007, at 2:16:35
In reply to LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by SatinDoll on October 21, 2006, at 9:06:05
Yes.
As a psych student I studied altered states of consciousness and have tried a lot of things.
I do not advocate or criticise informed responsible choice to use a substance.
I only wish our culture was advanced enough to provide the supportive environments where informed, screened experimenters can trial substances with the aim to minimise harm.
My advice is this - these are the cardinal rules of any 'recreational' drug use:
1. Learn about what you are proposing to do. The Vaults of Erowid and Alexander Shulgins' writings are a start - google them.
Only when you have read widely including academic journal articles, psych reports - including reports of what can go wrong can you justify taking any drug as far as I'm concerned. It is a cost-benefit analysis that only you can make.
2. You should be stable in yourself with no predominant psychopathologies - depression, anxiety, shizophrenia etc. If you are reasonably
content and happy with yourself then this is
the desired starting point.LSD can be a big roller coaster and it can precipitate latent moods which in healthy people pass after the drug wears off but in people with a predisposition or latent pathology can trigger an episode - you will have read about this and/or talked to people about it. LSD can create flashback experiences - I've only known these to be memory like rather than 'as if I'd taken it'.
LSD experiences can be terrifying and exhilarating within the same trip. You may feel like you are dying or you may feel an amazing oneness with things or both etc. Just be prepared.
In general LSD hallucinations (particularly at low doses) still allow you to know that you have taken something and that somehow you will get back to reality given time. Some other potent hallucinogens produce extreme hallucinations where you don't know the difference between your experience and reality - e.g., you can be talking to someone at one moment and the next walking in a desert alone and either not notice the switch or not care or not be able to have any control over the switch. You may come-to in an ambulance or hospital not knowing how you got there. Generally speaking LSD is not like this.
3. You should only take it with someone (preferably more than one person) you trust who is experienced in using it to act as your trip chaperon.
4. It is advised that you have on hand Valium or Chlorpromazine or similar anti-psychotic in case you freak out or simply want to end the experience faster than letting it run its course.
5. Unless you have access to pharmaceutical grade LSD beware. LSD is not commonly found (it is very hard to synthesise) and often hallucinogenic amphetamines are substituted. You don't know what you are taking if you use street drugs and only trusted experienced users will be able to tell you if it is LSD and how potent it is.
If you have access to pharmaceutical grade LSD I'd recommend you start with a 15-20 micro gram dose.
If you are using street sourced drugs I'd want to see someone else take it first and observe the entire trip and 24 follow-up period and I'd take a half dose.
6. You need to respect drugs - they are gifts.
In native cultures hallucinogens are often considered sacred. Some are not fun but they are still gifts. Fun shouldn't be the aim - a more neutral stance is advised - knowledge is perhaps a better goal.My personal values incline me to recommend that if you take it find a pleasant place in or around nature (but not isolated) where there aren't too many people around and where your trip partner can remove you to safer places. Access to a phone is adviseable.
I know people who have broken these rules and have nearly killed themselves.
If you have access to psilocybe mushrooms, with proven identification, (or pharmaceutical grade psilocin) I'd recommend you try them before LSD. They produce similar visual effects but the duration is shorter. My experience with ecstasy (MDMA) is that you can get similar bodily experiences to LSD but visuals are limited - if any. A significant difference is that MDMA can bring about a profound emotional attachment to people. While LSD can take you there it may not last before you swing off into another experience.
In knowledge there is safety and responsibility.
D
Posted by DharmaBum on September 22, 2007, at 22:57:37
In reply to Re: LSD never tried it , have you?, posted by Deus_Abscondis on September 8, 2007, at 2:16:35
Disconnect the phones!!!!
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