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Posted by Dr. Bob on April 3, 2004, at 8:17:45
In reply to conbining effexor and illegal drugs, posted by artist on April 2, 2004, at 10:05:41
> i have jsut started taking effexor. I take ectasy occasionly, i wondered would there be any really bad effects? does anyone know? or is it pretty much like the warning about not drinking which does not seen to make any odds? thanks.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 4, 2004, at 18:16:03
In reply to conbining effexor and illegal drugs « artist, posted by Dr. Bob on April 3, 2004, at 8:17:45
Posted by PsychoSage on April 3, 2004, at 11:00:34
> The above statements are incorrect.
>
> A SSRI blocks the pathways that MDMA (ecstasy) uses for its actions on neurons.
>
> The effects of the ecstasy will be strongly diminished. Just a waste of your money.This is totally wrong. Effexor and methampehtamine is very toxic. Effexor and ecstacy will make you sick as a dog. Unless you are taking an eighth of a pill, then I think it's much more serious than this post suggests.
A reuptake inhibitor and a serotonin agonist like ecstacy equals too much serotonin.
It will not be as if you are taking a stimulant like meth and nullifying the effects with valium or ativan which is what is used in hospitals to reduce amphetamine intoxication.
Otherwise, parents would put their kids on antidepressants before they went out, so their kids don't play with ecstacy.
SSRIs are not like opiate-blockers for heroin addicts.
SSRIs or an SNRI like effexor and E are not safe.
E also greatly increases norepinephrine which effexor works on too.
Posted by Mats on April 5, 2004, at 9:27:16
In reply to Re: conbining effexor, illegal drugs « PsychoSage, posted by Dr. Bob on April 4, 2004, at 18:16:03
Posted by spoc on April 6, 2004, at 0:38:02
In reply to conbining effexor and illegal drugs « artist, posted by Dr. Bob on April 3, 2004, at 8:17:45
Hi Artist, here is a forum I ran across during a general search. Its theme is discussion of various illegal drugs, and combining them with prescription ones is also covered. Might want to check it out and do some searches there, although the posters here may be even more "scientific" about things. Maybe there will be some other useful links there too:
Posted by djmmm on April 7, 2004, at 19:59:04
In reply to Re: conbining effexor, illegal drugs « PsychoSage, posted by Dr. Bob on April 4, 2004, at 18:16:03
> Posted by PsychoSage on April 3, 2004, at 11:00:34
>
> > The above statements are incorrect.
> >
> > A SSRI blocks the pathways that MDMA (ecstasy) uses for its actions on neurons.
> >
> > The effects of the ecstasy will be strongly diminished. Just a waste of your money.
>
> This is totally wrong. Effexor and methampehtamine is very toxic. Effexor and ecstacy will make you sick as a dog. Unless you are taking an eighth of a pill, then I think it's much more serious than this post suggests.
>
> A reuptake inhibitor and a serotonin agonist like ecstacy equals too much serotonin.
>
> It will not be as if you are taking a stimulant like meth and nullifying the effects with valium or ativan which is what is used in hospitals to reduce amphetamine intoxication.
>
> Otherwise, parents would put their kids on antidepressants before they went out, so their kids don't play with ecstacy.
>
> SSRIs are not like opiate-blockers for heroin addicts.
>
> SSRIs or an SNRI like effexor and E are not safe.
>
> E also greatly increases norepinephrine which effexor works on too.I have taken MDMA with SSRIs and Effexor...(a long time ago) From personal experience, after repeated or even acute exposure to SSRIs or atypical ad's like Effexor, your response to MDMA is severly diminished, and with the more selective SSRIs (Paxil, celexa) your MDMA experience is often completely attenuated.
MDMA works at the reuptake pumps...blocking these sites would naturally decrease the pumps exposure to MDMA. MDMA is less selective to serotonin then most SSRIs (supported by the use of the very unselective SSRI, Prozac)...this is based on years of studies.
I agree that the combination isn't safe, but the danger has probably more to do with blood pressure then serotonin syndrome.
Posted by tarian617 on April 12, 2004, at 10:46:32
In reply to Re: conbining effexor and illegal drugs -- Artist, posted by spoc on April 6, 2004, at 0:38:02
Well...I have to say I just did this over a month ago at the Ultra Music Festival in Miami....
I was worried at first, b/c I have mixed Lexapro and X with very bad results (very bad panic attack...worst in my life) but this time, I had the BEST time.
Now, this is definitely not something I do on a regular basis or would recommend to anyone, but this was a "special" occasion...big dance music festival with like 70,000 people and it was fabulous. I probably took six or seven pills in the course of a couple days and did fine. I'm on effexor-xr 150mg/day.
I think everyone is different...plus you're playing with a lot of factors you can't control...namely what is in the pills you're taking, what kind of psych problem you have, how much effexor you're on...even the people you are with and the mood you're in!
my 2 cents!
Posted by Beta on April 13, 2004, at 8:51:24
In reply to conbining effexor and illegal drugs « artist, posted by Dr. Bob on April 3, 2004, at 8:17:45
Does anyone know what the effects are of occasional mixing 150mg. daily of effexor xr with vicodin es?
Posted by artist on April 16, 2004, at 10:03:36
In reply to effexor and X, posted by tarian617 on April 12, 2004, at 10:46:32
spoc, a queation for you then.so you had the pills and you are on effexor and you were o.k? did you stop the medication a week before? or just carry on, are you prone to panic attacks? id be really intrested to hear. i have avoided ectasy since i started taking effexor,and i sort of miss it.
Posted by PsychoSage on April 16, 2004, at 14:29:06
In reply to Re: effexor and X question for spoc, posted by artist on April 16, 2004, at 10:03:36
> spoc, a queation for you then.so you had the pills and you are on effexor and you were o.k? did you stop the medication a week before? or just carry on, are you prone to panic attacks? id be really intrested to hear. i have avoided ectasy since i started taking effexor,and i sort of miss it.
effexor notes:
http://www.psychotropical.com/notes/589.htmlserotonin syndrome notes:
http://www.psychotropical.com/ss.html
Posted by spoc on April 27, 2004, at 5:15:47
In reply to Re: effexor and X question for spoc » artist, posted by PsychoSage on April 16, 2004, at 14:29:06
Hi PS, I just came across this totally by accident! I hadn't checked back because this was just one of those answers where you're passing by and throw in something you saw somewhere that could be useful to that poster, but isn't related to yourself. Sorry this took so long! Hope you found some more good info on this somewhere.
Posted by spoc on April 27, 2004, at 5:21:01
In reply to Re: effexor and X question for spoc » artist, posted by PsychoSage on April 16, 2004, at 14:29:06
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