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Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 13:53:53
we don't have the technology.
that is the latest excuse.
we need to breed animals to be killed in the name of 'science research' because we don't have the technology.
people genuinely don't seem to understand... we don't have the technology... because we are cruel to others.
we are so focused on being cruel that we don't invest in the development of humane things. we chose to invest in and support and nourish... cruelty.
we are committed to how there isn't any other way. there can't be any other way. to justify the way it's always been, i suppose. to enable it to continue on. to condone everything. and so on.
once you graduate from animal cruelty... you might be selected for cruelty to premature infants. you can breathe for them... or measure just how much damage you inflict by refusing to support them in breathing independently. you can make sure that you take control and make things worse for them because of it. good idea. i mean... people are doing that already (have been doing that already) for quite some time. so why not do a longitudinal study in how it sets people up for a lifetime of poor breathing and deprivation and so on... why not? we like those. longitudinal studies in how our interventions make things worse for them. makes us feel all powerful.
yeah.
technology.
we would rather keep slaves than invest in allowing people to develop technology. we would rather steal from them and prevent them continuing to develop. and that's why we don't have technology.
and it's not about technology, anyway. it's about what you do with the technology.
what does new zealand choose to do with the technolgy it does have control of?
i'm thankful we don't have more of it. more control of it. we don't seem capable of utilising what we have got in humane ways, at all.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:06:47
In reply to we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 13:53:53
they are trying to advertise or market this idea that they are forcing a generation to retire to make way for what they are calling 'early career' researchers.
every now and then they do that... some kind of a cull on the people who called (when it was the previous cull) the 'dead wood'. by which i mean the people employed to work as academics in the universities... who aren't actively engaged in research.
but the early career researchers they invest in are the ones who fit in with / condone the work that is presently being done...
and mostly that seems to be about people who are sexually molesting the students and so on... that's the kind of thing that appears to be the flipside of 'yes sir no sir anything you say sir oooooooooooh you are so motivating and inspiring and i want nothing more than to be your little bitch servant for 10+ years working on my phd i mean your phd i mean the phd you will sign me off on which will be one that proclaims cruely to the world so that people don't let me near anyone they actually care about... not voluntarily anyway... but that's okay... you can always work to inflict suffering on the people of nz... that's what we like to see... more of that... invest in that which you want to see more of...'
we don't prosecute corruption.
best i can figure the serious fraud department is itself pretty corrupt. it costs them... a couple million per trial. on average. how does it hemorrhage that kind of money?
even with the filings, and double filings... the statement of claim.... the statement of claim x 2... the memorandum... case conference... another memorandum... another case conference... where are they having case conferences? hawaii??
we actually don't prosecute corruption.
i think kim.com came here because... at one point i think the idea was the joke (only it wasn't) of how much it would cost to become dictator of an island... new zealand. more in particular. how much would it cost to buy citizenship and then buy the election.
Jacinda Arden told the people at Harvard, in question time, that everyone takes donations above the $25,000 or whatever it was amount that they had to spend on campaigning. she said the point of the cap was to make it cheap enough for pretty much anyone to be able to run. to make running accessible to the people of new zealand. and then she went on to admit that everyone currently in parliament takes donations besides that because the amount is laughable really... and something along the lines of how that is what you do to win...
and even with the world having a clear case against kim.com new zealand couldn't extradite him in a timely fashion. turns out that the police in new zealand... the national security people, even, none of them seem to have the most basic level of awareness of (or compliance with) the laws that there are. to do with having warrants for search and seizure and so on. they don't do the things they are supposed to do in collecting evidence etc which, of course, makes the evidence all inadmissable. which, of course, means that we can't / won't prosecute anything. is what it means.
just a bunch of cowboys beyond the laws.
the ACC... accident corporation. we give up our right to sue for medical misadventure... for negligence... because acc is supposed to cover it. but they don't appear to spend the money they have on claims. they are invseting the money they have... in the US stockmarket.
they are an investment company?
preventing medicine from developing in new zealand.
because that's their statutory function....
in completely f*ck*d up make no sense land.
the judges pretend to be incapable of parsing the statutes...
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:17:07
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:06:47
i suppose if you look at the criminal cases the people are saying...
the trials are themselves traumatic. the questions that the judges ask and the questions that the judges allow the lawyers to ask.
it's only really really really recently (as in the last year or two) that it has become frowned upon to basically just say 'she was a little slut and she had it coming to her' and have that go down well with the judge and the jury.
there is still this perception of that... of shaming people into believing that. still... in new zealand.
complaints processes are non-existent in nz. any that we have seem to be there in a dragging our heels doing the bare minimum that we can possibly get away with while retaining some kind of 'we aren't 3rd world' status internationlly. that seems to be the idea.
we have statutes to do with whistleblowing. which is apparently because of compliance with international laws.. which sort of require us to have some.
but in practice in the universities, anyway, the guy whose job it is (the CE of Universities NZ) simply doesn't take the complaints further. they blame the victim or the person complaining. then they don't get their degree. they don't get scholarships. they don't get a job. if they have a job and they complain then it's actually written into their complaints resolution process that the complaint will to to a meeting of the VC's. which means the person will likely be blacklisted from being hired at any of the new zealand universities.
wonder if that's the reason for the current restructure. getting rid of the people who complain / don't appear sufficiently onboard with the whole 'lets travel the world and seek out vulnerable people who we believe we can double bill and sexually molest and get to engage in practices of abuse and sexual molestation themselves to become just like us so we can spread more of these things that we like around new zealand and teach the world about how we do business in new zealand'.
i am not really seeing any evidence of 'try'.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:30:02
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:17:07
think of all the work that goes into preventing the development of IT in new zealand.
all the world that goes into making sure that the university computer science kids don't manage to develop secure softare systems for anything, anything, anything at all.
all the work that goes into preventing that.
some people must be working really really hard to prevent development.
where are the major instigators??
i suppose you start from the top. and see how many of them you need to go through... where things get stuck on your way down from there...
but the government pays Chris Whelan in his capacity as CE of Universities NZ and he refuses to do what is required to uphold the quality and integrity of NZ qualifications. Universities NZ wrote complaints processes for them to follow which includes compliants being investigated by 2 people and the evidence going to a meeting of the VCs (so they can figure how to make redundant a whistleblower, i guess) and to the police (so they prosecute i suppose)... And he doesn't do that. he sits on complaints and doesn't show them to anyone else. doesn't get the evidnce to the police. doesn't get the evidnce to a meeting of the VC committee.
So... Given that he refuses to do his job... It's time to go, Chris Whelan. How can you be on payroll for doing a job with a statutory function in law... When yo don't do that job.
You should be requied to give all the money back for the length of time you refused to do the job -- right? When did he start refusing to process complaints? Did he ever process complaints?
Why won't the government stop giving money to people who don't do their job...
It is like... It is like the government is paying a bribe (in teh form of a salary) to Chris Whelan for him to make sure the statutory descsritpion (only there to placate the UN) isn't done. Not by him. Not by anyone.
That's an interesting idea...
When the UN says a country needs to do x or y or z...
You know...
Not commit genocide. Not keep slaves. Etc...
Then a country can hire someone like Chris Whelan to make sure that any allegations are squashed. NEver investigated. Never followed up on. Never prosecuted.
So our borders close to international students...
It wasn't like the money we got from them was ever spent on what it was supposed to be spent on anyway. It was supposed to be spent on pastoral care for them and so on. But it wasn't at all. The money was spent on... Managers managing the managers of the adminsitration or the administrators of the managers of the University.
They are firing the management school... The people who were supposed to be academics. Engaged in teaching and research. Tehy fire them...
Because once the executives of the managing the managers managing administratio of the Univesrity have their $100,000+++ salaries... There's no money to hire academics.
There's squillions of 'support staff' too...
I think the idea is... You pay editorial services $5,000 to edit your thesis (you know, write it for you, fix the typos) otherwise... They find a typo and therefore you fail your degree.
You know how it goes... They say you get a $5,000 scholarship... But only if you pay it straight back to them...
I wonder how much the guy paid for entry to Med the guy who got imprisoned for murdering the 16 year old who didn't want to sleep with him...
Good choosing Otago. He fit in real well, everyone can see.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:41:06
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:30:02
He chose her, don't you see?
And now the Otago times and all the other media of New Zealand keeps posting articles about it with a photo of him right there next to a photo of her.
The way he wanted it to be...
Him and her. Together there...
And never mind how disrespectful it is to her to post a picture of her image next to him...
The implication is: He was a doctor! ooh! and he chose her!!
Ungrateful little bitch. She deserves what she got.
Is the implication.
Why else would they keep posting pictures of her right there next to pictures of him...
The implication is her only value is because of him.
She is only valuable because he valued her. $20,000 to sleep with him, apparently.
Otago chose him.
Interesting choice, Otago.
And the New Zealand Medical Council apparently knew of concerns / problems with him...
And chose to do nothing (likely selected him precisely because they thought they could groom him into being or becoming a problem precisely like that)...
They chose him!
That's their pathology.
That's why we don't have technology.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:42:55
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:41:06
They were obsessed with robots in Dunedin.
Obsessed with this idea of people being able to live in Sydney and do surgery via their x-box (or similar) in Otago.
Obsessed with technological developments like that.They can't even maintain accurate student records.
They can't even process a visa.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:02
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:42:55
So there will be records kept of who is in the hospital.
So there will be records kept of who is in the OR.Not by us.
Thank God.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:59
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:02
And this is just concentration camp island where you throw the people who nobody cares about.
That movie 'Labrynth'... What was it... An obliette? Something like that.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:54:17
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:59
Didn't you know that the point of life is to command as much money as possible? And the way you do that is to be head of a business or government department...
The ideal appears to be a government department. Then you can set up a private business to award yourself a government contract. Because private CE's get many orders of magnitude more money than government CE's. so you use your public position to set up a little private advantage for yourself... Or maybe a few friends... And you take turns on who gets what bid / contract. That seems to be the most recent thing the... UN?? Is telling us is not an acceptable business practice. I suppose because it's so rife in government.
And what it is that you are CE of is actually irrelevant. Because it's about getting as much money out for yourself (and maybe a few cronies). Even if at the expense of the overall.
IN fact, nobody seems to care about the overall. It's just a stepping stone on the way to a bigger business with a bigger budget.
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The government says that x million is to be spent on health or whatever. IN the budget.
So...
Where does the money go, then.
Like... How much money actually went where, exactly?
Yeah... The money was spent on... Building depreciation.
That's where the money went.
Building depreciation eats the health budget.
What are you going to do about it?
Well, at the very least, identify them as the psychopaths they are. Then psychopaths can come and they can have fun trying to mutually destroy each other.
It's only a very small group of psychopaths ruining things for everyone else. It's important to remember that.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 15:02:07
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 14:44:59
and of course after he kills her, they kill him. i mean, why wouldn't you if you thought you could get away with it. the coroner is independent is he? independent from the medical profession? independent from medical misadvanture? when people die in the prisons that's murder? how do people kill themselves in state care, honestly... how much money does that cost per day, again?
cameras no work-y
Posted by sigismund on April 18, 2021, at 20:04:00
In reply to we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 18, 2021, at 13:53:53
of our values.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:53:24
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by sigismund on April 18, 2021, at 20:04:00
We value cruelty?
I got so sick of Otago...
The... Under-developed... Ethics, there.
Only a sort of a rudimentary sort of an ethics is allowed there.
When it comes to euthanasia. When it comes to animal research. When it comes to... Any of the things, at all...
They treat people as badly as they treat the animals, there.
It's all about 'We are the top of the hierarchy of beings of the world and it is our birth right to do whatever we want whenever we want because we want...'
You listen to the 'best case' they can make as to why their animal research is necessary for scientific development or progress...
And it's jut not a very good case, at all.
Of course they don't treat animals that very much better.
The Australians threw a f*ck*ng tantrum of a hissy fit of a wilful misunderstanding of Peter Singer... Saying he was advocating that intellectually handicapped people should be euthanised like meat cows or similar... But Singer's point was that not even animals should be treated like that. Not people. Certainly. And not animals either.
The 'best case' sort of research they can come up with are the implanting electrodes in the brain because one day we want to implant electrodes in the brain of Parkinson's Patients. By way of our x-boxes in Sydney. That's the dream. To have a remote control person. I mean wouldn't it be fun to implant electrodes into the brain and have a remote control person? Important cutting edge scientific research, that... Mmm hmm...
Because... We don't have any values?
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:59:13
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:53:24
Often they only seem to fund research that involves torturing animals / gratuitous use of animals.
Often the value of the experimental research seems dubious at best.
Often they don't do the most basic of things they could do to make things more humane.
Often the research... Just seems like some dim excuse to allow them to torture and abuse.
And the 'best of them' (in some sense) get picked to do Medicine. To do their experiments (or their observational studies of how doing nothing or doing something results in pain and suffering and death) of people. The animal at the top of the food chain.
I mean...
You might want a rat lab... But if you are really really good you will get to torture and abuse chimpanzees -- right?
So you can 'clean' your data and lie about your findings.
THen you can move on to human infants. Or human adults.
See how many of those you can torture and poison and...
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I thought it was a set-up so there was a record of the people who participated in such things so that there was a blacklist of things they were locked out of.
I mean, why would you want people who do those things anywhere near you... If you had a choice..
I mean I guess in NZ it's supposed to scare people back to working the plantations for no pay...
But no, there's more to it. An actual group in Australasia... India, too. There are journals that will publish people's confessions of the criminal things they've done. Whether they ever get prosecuted for them or not.
People can read their research and decide for themselves if they think it was justified.
Most of it is gratuoutious. Waste of time and energy and resources. Thinly veiled excuses for the fact that certain people like to torture and harm. Just beacause they can. Because they are getting away with it.
Yay them.
Well done.
Ruining things for us all.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:01:53
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:59:13
It's the ethical test you must fail to be selected to Medicine.
Because the point of Medicine in Australiasia is to get to torture and abuse people.
Best I can figure.
That's the point of it.
They pick people to fit in with the things that are currently going on, in those respects. People who won't complain. People who are similarly motivated.
A bunch of abusers and torturers and murderers and rapists.
Best I can figure.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:13:11
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:01:53
I'm sure it goes on other places as well.
One of the hospitals in RI is being investigated for corruption.
Apparently they were hemorrhaging money...
They were refusing to comply with federal regualtion. So they stopped recieving federal funds.
But still they weren't willing to comply with federal regulation. So they were going to keep hemorrhaging money...
What was it about? It's a bit unclear...
I think it's about the involutary detention of a bunch of people. You call them 'intellectually handicapped' or 'psychiatrically disturbed' and then you get to... Keep them. I guess. Your people prisoners. Do to experiments on, or whatever.
Apparently there aren't federal inpatient detention facilities in the name of intellectual handicap / psychiatric disturbance anymore.
So they are required to arrange for people to be transferred to community settings. Or something.
I see a lot of houses burning down...
I don't know why so many house fires.
Our Government literally refuses to prosecute corruption. Apparently... Apparently they don't have to. It is discretionary, or something.
It is entirely optional for the attorney general and solicitor general to do their job (in New Zealand).
Presently they refuse to prosecute the corruption that is the Universities of NZ refusing to enrol domestic adults in programmes they have applied to (because of their preference to select children to abuse and foster into psychopaths) and their refusal to allow students to work to international standards of academic scholarship. Their refusal to allow external examiners to sign off that international standards of academic scholarship have in fact been reached.
Their refusal to accept that when international examiners are willing to sign the students off... Refusing to get the work back to the examieners for sign off in order to demand re-enrolment and additional paymet of fees is...
Keeping slaves.
Corruptoin.
Demand for bribe to be paid.
Letter of extortion (pay us more money or you will never get your degree).
Demand for exit payment (pay us more money or you will never get your degree).These are the public universities of New Zealand.
'universities'
engaged in all these animal torture experiments. people torture experiments too.
just living their pathology...
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:20:05
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:13:11
they can try and call it 'basic science research' but it isn't basic science research at all.
it is base.
that is what it is.
and it is stuff that overseas places were doing...
yawn.
20 years ago?
40 years ago?
something like that.
still looking for the simple gene associations...
and so on...
even the Parkinsons stuff and so on...
it's just a thinly veiled thing because they like to harvest the brains of people when they go. preserve the brains in brain banks. i think we sell them, too, to Harvard and the like, or whatever.
the idea is to try and find the pathology on autopsy.
and there are people... i guess some of them are wealthy donors to the university. wanting to participate in the research...
for the conditions that are (often) inflicted by the old generation antipsychotics that we are (still) massively overprescribing doing the whole chemical straightjacket thing that we learned about...
yawn...
back in in the 1960's.
?
totally cutting edge.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:25:07
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 4:20:05
i guess we go back to the ventillators...
how people are not so much having long-term harmful effects from Covid (best I can figure) as they are having long-term harmful effects from...
Overly agressive medical 'treatment'.
Being put in ventillators that force the lungs to move around irritating and damaging the delicate respiratory membrane.
Because... There wasn't enough oxygen?
Because... Why wouldn't you immobilise someone and ventillate them -- if you thought you could get away with it. Why wouldn't you?
And so on...
Posted by sigismund on April 19, 2021, at 20:19:43
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:53:24
>We value cruelty?
I wouldn't put it quite like that, but since you ask, yes.
Posted by sigismund on April 19, 2021, at 20:23:04
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 3:59:13
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:06:08
In reply to Re: we have to be cruel to others because..., posted by sigismund on April 19, 2021, at 20:23:04
new zealand doesn't see a problem with animal teseting because...
that is how we treat most of our people, too.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
In reply to yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:06:08
Looks like NZ is on it's way out of the 5 eyes alliance.
I think we are going to have our place replaced by China.
New Zealand only did business with China, in the first place, because it thought that China was more morally bankrupt / corrupt than New Zealand. So it got to feel morally superior.
Then it didn't track things properly. Didn't track development properly.
And now, here we are.
Other nations express concern about the Uryguar camps...
And New Zealand can't say anything...
Because the 'retraining facilities'. Well... Would you like to come and study in New Zealand? We can house you in a concentration camp, ahem, student residential hall. You can work the plantations over the summer?
China said something about... Being careful about having your eyes poked out.
There's something about how when you point the finger -- there's... I don't remember how many pointed back at you.
I guess it would be 3.
Anyway...
NZ is going to... Cozy up to Germany, now?
Germany has progressed rather a lot since WWII. Unlike NZ...
India?
We like that. Blaming corruption on Indian migrants is the thing to do all over the media, at the moment.
I'm sure because we carefully hand-pick selected many of them for precisely that. Then they needed slaves so... People to be exploited...
But it's hard to do business with INdia right now when planeloads are Covid positive because they cheated on / beat the testing on their way out..
Posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:58:06
In reply to 5 eyes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
the ad ran when i was a kid.
i guess before the development of science, in nz. back when we took the moral high ground / road because the low road wasn't an option.
i remember when we were opposed to SUV's because... we couldn't afford them. we were opposed to them for all the right reasons. the reasons we not cite as to why we don't like them anymore. but between our not liking them for the right reasons once upon a time and our not liking them for the right reasons now there was a brief period of time when ownership of them in these parts really took off. what happened during that brief period of time? we could afford them. they were here and so people brought them.
we were opposed to the animal testing... on cosmetics and the like when i was a kid...
the univeristy of Otago had this massive restructure under Hayes. a lot of people lost their jobs. academic dead weight, sure, but they were hired because they were likely to be academic dead weight, they were kept because they were academic dead weight, and now they are gone... they weren't treated very humanely. but i suppose they condones inhumane treatment of their studnets. not signing off on their studnets. signing off on the students who didn't have capacity for further productivity... you get the idea...
anyhoo... the inhumane restructure where lots of people lost their jobs... to save money for a... very very expensive animal testing building.
so they can do vivisections on animals to practice for...
dun dun dun dun the star performance! the peak of the show!
some inbred white elite kid of an official getting to practice surgery on some brown kid. or maybe some impoverished white kid. to their mind... as far up the evolutionary ladder of the hierarchy of being as they are allowed to go...
that's the thinking of there.
of course nobody with any moral sense would teach them anything. it would be irresponsible to do that. they aren't amendable to teaching, anyway. it's more about doing whatever you want whenever you want because you want from their pov... their perspective on the goal or meaning of life.
and now they are getting started on building a hospital. apparently. or something.
new zealand is one of teh few places you can do stem cell research.
but why would you want to grow a baby in a test tube... when you can remove a baby from the womb and raise it in an incubator? we specialise in the latter...
conceived in alcohol
born into oxygen deprivation
beaten about the head in the name of national sport
sexually and physically and psychologically abused at the hands of employees of government departments / organisations
then carefully chosen and selected to repeat that on the next generation.it's our grand plan for teh whole failure to thrive thing that is the country of new zealand
i guess our major export was...
masses of low capacity workforce to do all the slave labor overseas.
we thought we could produce meat for the world.
there's no shortage of meat in the world. the world doesn't want meat.
there's no... people. humanity.
it's not about the technology any more than it was about the money.
they are epiphenomenon, those developments. epiphenomenon on a lot of other things going right.
but giving us technology... we would only try and produce things cheaper and crappier than India -- and the world doesn't need more of that.
i certainly didn't come back to new zealand to do philosophy. most particularly not moral philosophy.
you argue with a fool for long enough and you wonder...
teh attorney general and the solicitor general have been cc'd in.
what are they going to do?
will new zeland prosecute corruption or not?
does new zealand have a legitimate government or one that is fundamentally corrupt?
they don't appear to have counted the votes.
but then there also don't appear to have been any actual canddiates...
ffs
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:18:45
In reply to yes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:06:08
>that is how we treat most of our people, too.
But only the poor, right? And other categories of the defenceless.
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:23:10
In reply to 5 eyes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
>Other nations express concern about the Uryguar camps...
We have a Royal Commission into the origins of COVID too. Scomo is trying to change shape to please Biden.
Many years ago I wanted to visit Kashgar.
If whoever is so concerned about human life, to say nothing of the natural world........maybe look closer to home?
Posted by sigismund on April 20, 2021, at 0:24:25
In reply to 5 eyes, posted by alexandra_k on April 19, 2021, at 21:15:00
Get out while you can from this anglo scam.
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