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Posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 2:31:52
Does anyone know anything about legal buds? That is, herbal buds for smoking that contain no illegal substances?
I am bored and anxious and I feel like smoking weed or something, but since I have no idea where to get weed, I was thinking maybe I could try legal buds.
Do herbal smokes have toxic substances? Can they cause cancer?
Would a non smoker enjoy smoking them?
Posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 6:36:56
In reply to Legal buds, posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 2:31:52
Hmmm....I just learned how to make a very dangerous tea. People have died from it and it is very addicting.
My logical mind is telling me not to try it, but I am very curious. I think I better stay away.
Posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2009, at 13:15:05
In reply to Re: Legal buds, posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 6:36:56
Deneb glad you didn't. Phillipa
Posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 17:19:29
In reply to Re: Legal buds » Deneb, posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2009, at 13:15:05
I feel like experimenting with drugs. I don't know where to get the usual illegal drugs though.
I read about legal highs. I am curious.
I wonder if it might be dangerous to take them when I am on meds?
Maybe I should stick with alcohol. Alcohol can be dangerous too though. It has killed more people than illegal drugs probably.
I kind of feel like drinking some DXM too. This is bad. I might get serotonin syndrome. I'm on a lot of SSRI and my antipsychotic potentiates the SSRIs. The DXM would also potentiate the SSRIs I think.
No, I better not do DXM again.
Maybe I should stick with alcohol.
I don't have a lot of alcohol in my house. I drank about 1/4 cup of rum mixed with a lot of Pepsi. It was gross, just like everything becomes when mixed with alcohol. I sipped it and didn't get drunk so then I sipped about 1/4 cup of Bailey's with a lot of milk. It tastes OK, except for the alcohol. It started making me feel sick and it took me like 3 hours to drink it.
I didn't get drunk. I think I need to drink more and faster to feel the effects of alcohol.
It's hard to drink enough alcohol to feel its effects when I am alone. It's easier to do in a social situation where there is some indirect pressure to drink, like it is expected so I ignore how awful it tastes.
Posted by emme on June 21, 2009, at 17:31:08
In reply to I feel like I want to get intoxicated, posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 17:19:29
> I feel like experimenting with drugs. I don't know where to get the usual illegal drugs though.
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> I read about legal highs. I am curious.
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> I wonder if it might be dangerous to take them when I am on meds?Yes.
> Maybe I should stick with alcohol.
I'd be cautious with the alcohol.
Perhaps it would be good to think and write about what you are feeling that gives you the urge to do things that your rational mind knows are self-destructive. Then see if you can come up with some things to do that will pull you out of this mindset by either soothing or distracting you. Walking? Listening to music? I suspect you already know some healthier options. Perhaps the act of writing it out will help.
Posted by yellowbird01 on June 21, 2009, at 18:05:05
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated » Deneb, posted by emme on June 21, 2009, at 17:31:08
Deneb... ANY drugs, legal or illegal, can kill you. Even Tylenol and other drugs you can by at Walmart can make you very ill or kill you if taken incorrectly. Playing with drugs/medications/etc, legal or illegal, in order to get high or feel better is NOT safe and definitely not a good idea. The fact that you're already taking other medications just makes the possibilities more dangerous. In fact, the medications youre taking likely should not be mixed with alcohol either. Perhaps talk to your pdoc about this. The good feeling isnt worth the risk.
Posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 18:17:42
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated » Deneb, posted by emme on June 21, 2009, at 17:31:08
I think I am just bored. I got laid off and I'm waiting for school to start. I started reading about all these herbs and stuff and it seemed interesting. Most of them are legal in most places.
I am trying to read up as much as I can on these substances just in case I ever use them.
I really don't want to harm myself.
I thought it was a bad idea to drink alcohol on psych meds too, but it seems like everyone does it and they are OK. Lots of Babblers on psych meds drink.
I think if everyone does it, it should be OK.
Posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2009, at 21:14:54
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated, posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 18:17:42
Deneb I used to but no longer do not in 14 years. Phillipa
Posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 1:28:12
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated » Deneb, posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2009, at 21:14:54
I'm learning some interesting things about designer drugs. I came across this herbal "incense" called Spice Gold. I thought of buying it, but I think I better not. I am not used to smoking or getting high. The herbal mix is just a trojan horse for the synthetic JWH-018. Spice is illegal in the US.
This is what I've been doing all day. LOL I've been researching drugs.
From Wikipedia:
JWH-018 (1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole) is an analgesic drug from the aminoalkylindole family, which acts as a cannabinoid agonist at both the CB1 and CB2 receptors, with some selectivity for CB2.[1][2][3] It produces effects in animals very similar to those of THC itself,[citation needed] but with a longer duration of action,[citation needed] and is currently being researched as a potential analgesic to be administered by transdermal patch.[4].
On December 15th 2008, it was announced by German pharmaceutical company THC Pharm, that JWH-018 was found as one of the active components in at least three versions of the herbal blend Spice, which has been sold as an incense, in a number of countries around the world since 2002. [5][6][7]
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Posted by Sigismund on June 22, 2009, at 2:57:42
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated, posted by yellowbird01 on June 21, 2009, at 18:05:05
>Even Tylenol and other drugs you can by at Walmart can make you very ill or kill you if taken incorrectly
More especially than even.
Posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 20:29:12
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated, posted by Sigismund on June 22, 2009, at 2:57:42
I really want to get high but I don't know where to get weed. :/
I wish it wasn't illegal so I could find some. Isn't alcohol much more dangerous than marijuana?
I might buy some Spice Gold, but it is really expensive. I'll need to find out how to roll a joint on youtube. LOL
Maybe I'll buy some real herbal stuff, that doesn't have designer drugs laced in them. They probably won't get me high though.
I hate alcohol. I tried to drink some yesterday, but the taste is awful. I mixed in about 1/4 cup of vodka in 1 cup orange juice. I didn't get a buzz. I think I drank it too slowly. In fact, it's been 24 hours and I am still not done my drink. LOL
I want to get high. I think I will buy some herbal mix to smoke. I hope it doesn't make me cough.
Has anyone smoked any herbal mixes with no illegal ingredients and that are not laced with designer drugs like Spice Gold is?
Posted by Sigismund on June 22, 2009, at 20:36:27
In reply to I want to get high, posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 20:29:12
Some friend of my son's came back from Canada with a bottle of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)
and the stronger one too, the 98% one.
(Hangover territory)
It wouldn't be sold here. We do have OP rum, but I shouldn't imagine it is above 75%.
Posted by yellowbird01 on June 22, 2009, at 21:20:04
In reply to Re: I want to get high, posted by Sigismund on June 22, 2009, at 20:36:27
Deneb, as I posted above, any and all of these drugs can kill you. I mean KILL you... not make you a little sick until morning, or give you a headache.. KILL you. No second chance. Is that really worth it?
No one here is going to help you find illegal drugs, or legal drugs to use for the purpose of getting high for that matter.
If you are being triggered to want to engage in this behavior by all the stuff youre reading online, maybe you need to find another topic to research. Can you think of another interest you could start learning about?
Posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 21:24:35
In reply to Re: I want to get high, posted by Sigismund on June 22, 2009, at 20:36:27
I've never heard of Everclear before. It doesn't sound like something I can drink. I really hate the taste of alcohol and I would imagine it would taste even worse in higher concentrations.
Interesting to learn though.
I am really interested in the legal herbal buds that are not laced with designer drugs. I am just worried about tar and other chemicals that are released in the burning process. It should be OK to smoke them occasionally though right? They don't have nicotine so they should not be addictive.
I have only smoked twice in my entire life, both were weed. The second time I don't think I inhaled.
My pdoc is right, I am 27, but I am a very young 27. I'm supposed to be way past the age of wanting to experiment with drugs, but yet here I am. LOLIf I buy the herbal buds, I'd have to hide the smoking from my parents. LOL Have to learn to be sneaky even though they aren't cigarettes or pot.
I have a very bad view of cigarettes, which does not extend to pot or herbal mixes that are not addictive.
Posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 21:27:05
In reply to Re: I want to get high, posted by yellowbird01 on June 22, 2009, at 21:20:04
I think you're right, I need to research another topic. The more I read about drugs, the more I want to try them.
I need to think of another topic to research, but I don't know what.
Posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 22:39:05
In reply to Re: I want to get high » yellowbird01, posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 21:27:05
I got a great suggestion from a babbler. Maybe instead of getting high I can rent DVDs and watch them.
Posted by emme on June 23, 2009, at 5:27:04
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated, posted by Deneb on June 21, 2009, at 18:17:42
> I think I am just bored. I got laid off and I'm waiting for school to start. I started reading about all these herbs and stuff and it seemed interesting. Most of them are legal in most places.
>
> I am trying to read up as much as I can on these substances just in case I ever use them.
>
> I really don't want to harm myself.I believe that being out of work and waiting for school to start might lead you to be bored. And sure, drugs are interesting and curiosity is natural. But I think it is worrisome that when you're not otherwise occupied, your mind is urging you to do harmful things. I strongly encourage you to look for something interesting to do that won't lead you down the path of doing something that could hurt or kill you. And to think through where the urge to experiment with drugs is coming from.
You're good at biology, right? Instead of researching illicit drugs, you could study up and join psychobabble's group of people who know the details of the pharmacology of our meds.
Then there's always cheap thrills if you want to get out of the house. Trying out makeup at the cosmetics counters in the department store (silly, but fun). Go to a home furnishings store and mentally decorate the house you will have someday. I also like looking at tools in the hardware store.
> I thought it was a bad idea to drink alcohol on psych meds too, but it seems like everyone does it and they are OK. Lots of Babblers on psych meds drink.
>
> I think if everyone does it, it should be OK.Everyone is different, and we're on different meds. My pdoc had told me it was okay to drink a little alcohol, but we're talking a *small* amount once in a while. And she knew what meds I was on, so could judge the safety. I almost never consume alcohol, though. I figure my body has enough substances floating around in it, some of which can be sedating anyway.
emme
Posted by yellowbird01 on June 23, 2009, at 6:36:33
In reply to Maybe I can rent DVDs instead, posted by Deneb on June 22, 2009, at 22:39:05
Deneb, I remember you used to really enjoy playing games on the computer sometimes didnt you? I think it was Club Penguin? How about trying that out again? There are tons and tons of amusing games out there... maybe search around and find one or two you can play for a bit? :)
Posted by Deneb on June 23, 2009, at 12:27:23
In reply to Re: I feel like I want to get intoxicated » Deneb, posted by emme on June 23, 2009, at 5:27:04
> I believe that being out of work and waiting for school to start might lead you to be bored. And sure, drugs are interesting and curiosity is natural. But I think it is worrisome that when you're not otherwise occupied, your mind is urging you to do harmful things. I strongly encourage you to look for something interesting to do that won't lead you down the path of doing something that could hurt or kill you. And to think through where the urge to experiment with drugs is coming from.
Thanks for you post emme
I saw pdoc today. I told her everything about me wanting to get high and experiment with drugs. She thinks I'm trying to escape and told me it wasn't a good idea to experiment on designer drugs. She didn't focus much on the drugs though. She seems to think I am researching drugs and want to get high to avoid searching for work. She really thinks it is a good idea for me to search for a job. She says I don't even need to get a job, it is the search that counts. She is encouraging me to write a resume and go to interviews. She thinks it will boost my self confidence. She got me to think of why I am afraid to look for a job.
I'm not sure where the urge to get high is coming from.
> You're good at biology, right? Instead of researching illicit drugs, you could study up and join psychobabble's group of people who know the details of the pharmacology of our meds.
That is actually a pretty good idea. I am going to take medicinal chemistry and I think we will learn a bit about the pharmacology of meds. I think mostly we will learn about their synthesis.
> Then there's always cheap thrills if you want to get out of the house. Trying out makeup at the cosmetics counters in the department store (silly, but fun). Go to a home furnishings store and mentally decorate the house you will have someday. I also like looking at tools in the hardware store.I like walking around in malls. I'm trying not to use any money so free stuff like the makeup and just looking around are good ideas.
> > I thought it was a bad idea to drink alcohol on psych meds too, but it seems like everyone does it and they are OK. Lots of Babblers on psych meds drink.
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> > I think if everyone does it, it should be OK.
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> Everyone is different, and we're on different meds. My pdoc had told me it was okay to drink a little alcohol, but we're talking a *small* amount once in a while. And she knew what meds I was on, so could judge the safety. I almost never consume alcohol, though. I figure my body has enough substances floating around in it, some of which can be sedating anyway.
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> emmeYeah, that's true. Not everyone can drink alcohol. I don't often drink either, except now I am drinking some. I just bought 4 different cans of beer. I hope I can find one that I actually like drinking. I'm going to drink one today and give it a rating.
I am on 3 daily meds and 2 as needed meds. Some are sedating too. I will go easy on the alcohol.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on June 23, 2009, at 12:30:58
In reply to Re: Maybe I can rent DVDs instead, posted by yellowbird01 on June 23, 2009, at 6:36:33
> Deneb, I remember you used to really enjoy playing games on the computer sometimes didnt you? I think it was Club Penguin? How about trying that out again? There are tons and tons of amusing games out there... maybe search around and find one or two you can play for a bit? :)
Oh yeah, you remembered! I used to play Club Penguin. It was funny because it is a little kids game. LOL I will drop by Club Penguin to see how things have changed. I no longer have a subscription though so I don't get to buy clothes for my penguin or buy furniture for my igloo. LOL
Yeah, I will search around for some games. Thanks for the great idea! This way I don't need to spend money.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on June 23, 2009, at 19:37:26
In reply to Re: Maybe I can rent DVDs instead » yellowbird01, posted by Deneb on June 23, 2009, at 12:30:58
I just rented 6 DVDs from Blockbuster. They are the old movies. I think I'll watch 1 or 2 a day.
Posted by Deneb on June 24, 2009, at 15:42:59
In reply to Re: Maybe I can rent DVDs instead, posted by Deneb on June 23, 2009, at 19:37:26
I bought a small cheap vaporizer, the Ubie.
I bought a vaporizer because I don't want to smoke my herbs. Smoking herbs can bring out tar and other bad substances.
I bought some totally legal herbs that are not laced with drugs or nicotine. I am hoping they will relax me like chamomile tea or a placebo.
I read on smokers forums that the legal herbs are sh*t and don't get you high at all. I hope they taste good.
I'm excited about trying my legal herbs in this safe way.
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