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Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 6, 2009, at 17:21:15
In reply to Please be civil » jay_bravest_face, posted by Deputy Dinah on February 5, 2009, at 16:32:52
Posted by Sigismund on February 6, 2009, at 17:21:31
In reply to Re: Global Warming or Cooling? You asked :-) » jay_bravest_face, posted by gabbette on February 5, 2009, at 20:42:37
In the paper the other day scientists said they now think that the temperature of the Indian Ocean has more effect on our climate then the el nino/la nina pattern of the Pacific Ocean, meaning we may be able to make much better long range weather predictions for Australian farmers.
All this is in its infancy.
But you know, there have been proposals to put urea into the oceans to precipitate algal blooms or some such to soak up CO2 (rejected it seems). Again, there have been serious scientific proposals to blast SO2 into the stratosphere to soak up radiation.
The question of who is responsible is not the main issue. What is important is to get alternative non-nuclear energy production up and running so that we do not end up facing much worse alternatives down the track than we do at the moment. Not to speak of the whole sorry oil business and the terrorist imperative to attack it wherever possible, which will only become more acute.
And this could happen. The US can do this sort of thing when it puts its mind to it.
Too much of Australia is a coal quarry to expect much of us, I'm afraid.
I think Germany has gone some way toward this.....they were importing the rubbish from Naples and turning it into power
Posted by Dinah on February 6, 2009, at 17:22:29
In reply to Dinah, I apologize (nm) » Deputy Dinah, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 6, 2009, at 17:21:15
Posted by Dinah on February 6, 2009, at 17:38:40
In reply to Re: Global Warming or Cooling?, posted by kid47 on February 6, 2009, at 12:02:21
That's my point of view.
I certainly see the effects man can have on the earth. I know that the wetlands have been cut up by waterways cut for access for the oil companies, and by spreading development where development was not meant to be. I know that another huge factor in the destruction of the wetlands was the escape of captive nutria into an environment where the balance of nature did not account for their presence. It's amazing how much erosion those little critters can account for.
This doesn't mean that I oppose the oil companies activities or the provision of housing or anything. Just that we need to attend to our activities and do our best to minimize future damage and repair past damage.
For that matter, don't I recall that the landscape of many areas of the UK have been sculpted by the cutting down of forests by our far back ancestors?
The things we do for whatever reasons, including the ubiquitous unintended consequences, have a lasting impact for our children and our children's children. It's our responsibility to clean up after ourselves and leave the place no worse than we received it, to the extent we can.
My objections are only to the method of delivery. It wasn't necessary to terrify a young idealistic me by talk of a new ice age. I vowed then not to be easily terrified again. And that isn't limited to the environmental catastrophes either. So now I'm a bit less idealistic and am more likely to be swayed by balanced and thoughtful discussions about what we do and don't know and what may or may not help.
Mind you, I'm a bit of a hypocrite on the subject. Nothing on earth can get between me and my a/c. Especially in my fat old age.
Posted by TexasChic on February 6, 2009, at 17:54:21
In reply to Re: Jay - I'm not mad at you... » TexasChic, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 6, 2009, at 17:17:29
I shouldn't have said anything. I felt bad about what I said as soon as I posted it. I think I was feeling particularly sensitive at the time. I REALLY hope you're not upset with me. Please let me know you're not!
-T
Posted by 10derHeart on February 6, 2009, at 20:03:40
In reply to Re: Jay - I'm not mad at you... » TexasChic, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on February 6, 2009, at 17:17:29
Just to be fair, it seems (and I could be wrong but since you posted back to me, not TC) it was my links that may have upset you. I regret that happening.
I just thought it was interesting. That so many would be willing to sign their names to that petition and allow it publicized, rejecting specific assertions on 'global warming." I thought it would contribute other ideas and texture to the thread. I could have been wrong.
I didn't read it that they rejected all climate change in general, or even that our activities are causing things - just that they rejected that agreement in 1997, and similar agreements. I don't have any idea what each of the 31,000+ believe precisely on each aspect of the issue. Or why they do.
I don't think being skeptical about specific statements out there re "warming" and caring about doing things to protect and preserve the Earth are mutually exclusive. I think pretty much along the lines of what seldom wrote. What scientists say doesn't influence me in my efforts to recycle and save water, electricity and so on every day. I just do it because it seems right and makes so much sense. Waste is waste. Pollution pollutes - I can see it with my untrained, unscientific eyes. I've lived in Los Angeles and Seoul, ROK, where breathing is scary.
It was never about political parties, or anything. BTW, I am a registered Independent and try my hardest to vote my heart, soul and conscience on issues in elections. So difficult at times with many complex issues and competing priorities. I do the best I can.
I don't think you're "so bad." Having differing points of view doesn't make others "bad." Following or not following civility guidelines, site rules, whatever - sometimes, never, all the time - isn't my criteria for deciding any Babblers are "good" or "bad." (If I adopt that mindset, I will resign as a deputy immediately.) To me, that would be awfully simplistic, unsupportive and unproductive.
Posted by gabbette on February 6, 2009, at 23:16:56
In reply to Re: Global Warming or Cooling? You asked :-) » jay_bravest_face, posted by gabbette on February 5, 2009, at 20:42:37
first I don't do well with taking orders
"Read it and get back to me"
I read it long before you posted it.
My point was missed by you.
I did not say anywhere that NASA was wrong, nor in this particular case do I believe they are.
Your introduction was "You're gonna argue with Nasa, big names, awards... "
The inference that it's foolish or unthinking
to leave room for doubt, is based on nothing.
The opposite has been proven to be the case almost without exception.
My feelings about the term "good science" remain.
No one has ever been lauded for a theory based on
"Bad Science"It's based on the Scientific *knowledge of the time* As things evolve, and new technologies are developed, variables are discovered, these discoveries often prove "Facts" discovered by the "Top Names" to be incorrect
Even Scientists can't predict what they don't know yet-
Predjudiced remarks, and baseless generalizations, directed toward a person with a different, or questioning viewpoint only serve to lessen the credibility of any other conclusions made.
I will not post on this particular topic again.
Posted by Bobby on February 6, 2009, at 23:35:34
In reply to Re: Global Warming or Cooling? You asked :-) » gabbette, posted by gabbette on February 6, 2009, at 23:16:56
it. I'm not up to date on the science of it all-----but according to some scientists----man has survived for thousands upon thousands(Millions? Don't know) of years and countless threats to the very existance of life-----yet here we are. I don't have the details ironed out----but I think we'll adapt/evolve/relocate to Mars. What concerns me most is now we have Canadians disagreeing/arguing in public---now that's cause for alarm.(((((peacefulCanadians))))
Posted by gabbette on February 7, 2009, at 0:13:29
In reply to The Earth was once flat and the sun orbited around, posted by Bobby on February 6, 2009, at 23:35:34
aww Bobby, that was so needed, thank you for
snapping me out of a mood that was starting to annoy me(((Bobby)))
Oh Check your email inna bit
Posted by gabbette on February 7, 2009, at 0:19:07
In reply to The Earth was once flat and the sun orbited around, posted by Bobby on February 6, 2009, at 23:35:34
I really should know by now what types of posts
are going to evoke my inner didactic jacka*s
and leave them alone.
Posted by Bobby on February 7, 2009, at 0:41:10
In reply to I'd like to apologize for my tone, posted by gabbette on February 7, 2009, at 0:19:07
I think the whole world is on pins and needles right now. You've got the fire down deep Gabs----I like that about you. I think that the real issue here is that I'm a wussy when it comes to conflict. I hope you have a wonderful weekend now that the monkey's off your back :)
Posted by gabbette on February 7, 2009, at 20:32:41
In reply to Re: I'd like to apologize for my tone » gabbette, posted by Bobby on February 7, 2009, at 0:41:10
You're a gem bobby, and that's even a quote from someone else.. And they have discriminating taste I'll tell you..
I hope you got my babblemail.
Posted by Bobby on February 7, 2009, at 22:28:47
In reply to Re: I'd like to apologize for my tone » Bobby, posted by gabbette on February 7, 2009, at 20:32:41
I'm glad that nobody can see me blush on the computer. I think we clicked as friends back in 2001? I've never regreted it once. , However,I do have to disagree with you---I'm no more a gem than Joe the plumber. But thanks......
Posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 14:33:24
In reply to Re: I'd like to apologize for my tone » gabbette, posted by Bobby on February 7, 2009, at 22:28:47
Australia has always been a land of fires, so the latest ones may reflect the fact that more people are living near the bush as much as climate change.
Still, the extent of the damage in Victoria is surprising: 80 dead, maybe 800 injured, 800 homes destroyed after 40C temperatures down there for months.
Posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 14:47:45
In reply to Fire, posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 14:33:24
What you can say is that global warming will make this worse, both by temperature increase, and in the drying out of the southern parts of Australia that seems to be a part of it.
Posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 17:15:59
In reply to Re: Fire » Sigismund, posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 14:47:45
The temperatures in Victoria have been in the high 40s.....just under 50C.
Posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2009, at 19:20:06
In reply to Re: Fire, posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 17:15:59
I know where Victoria sold some stuff to a lady there. Wonder why mutual buddy hasn't mentioned the Fires only hot hot it is. Love PJ
Posted by Sigismund on February 9, 2009, at 1:19:14
In reply to Re: Fire » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on February 8, 2009, at 19:20:06
It's only just happened.
Australia's worst natural disaster, but with more to come with climate change due to the drying of the south of Australia.
Posted by JadeKelly on February 9, 2009, at 5:31:50
In reply to Fire, posted by Sigismund on February 8, 2009, at 14:33:24
> Australia has always been a land of fires, so the latest ones may reflect the fact that more people are living near the bush as much as climate change.
>
> Still, the extent of the damage in Victoria is surprising: 80 dead, maybe 800 injured, 800 homes destroyed after 40C temperatures down there for months.Thats horrible. My heart goes out to these people.
~Jade
Posted by Sigismund on February 9, 2009, at 14:06:55
In reply to Re: Fire, posted by JadeKelly on February 9, 2009, at 5:31:50
Marysville is one of the destroyed towns. It's not even *in* the bush. There were just hills in the middle distance all round with forest cover. When the fire was happening it must have lit up the hills and then all of a sudden the fire was in the town. The fire jumped from hillside to hillside in the high heat with the dry north winds behind it.
Posted by Dinah on February 9, 2009, at 14:23:43
In reply to Re: Fire, posted by Sigismund on February 9, 2009, at 14:06:55
It is beyond words for so many to lose their lives, their homes...
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2009, at 22:06:37
In reply to Re: Fire » Phillipa, posted by Sigismund on February 9, 2009, at 1:19:14
Sigi or Decie just home it's horrible. C told me about it last night via e-mail. Hope You're not near there isn't it close to the sea? Love PJ
Posted by Sigismund on February 10, 2009, at 18:07:37
In reply to Re: Fire » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2009, at 22:06:37
Yep, the death figure was around 180 last I heard.
I live a long way from that but there have been a few babblers from very near it.
Posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2009, at 20:48:36
In reply to Re: Fire, posted by Sigismund on February 10, 2009, at 18:07:37
Sigi was on weather channel today horrible. You're near the P right? Love PJ
Posted by Sigismund on February 12, 2009, at 15:11:43
In reply to Re: Fire » Sigismund, posted by Phillipa on February 10, 2009, at 20:48:36
Someone near one of the fires saw the front move 10km in 10 minutes, which gives you some idea of what it would be like.
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