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Posted by Larry Hoover on January 15, 2008, at 15:48:52
I'd appreciate it if posters would reserve the use of the flag word trigger for those posts with content which might lead to emotional shock in those individuals coping with traumatic experiences/memories.
Thanks.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2008, at 22:40:52
In reply to trigger trigger, posted by Larry Hoover on January 15, 2008, at 15:48:52
Examples besides suicidal? Phillipa
Posted by obsidian on January 15, 2008, at 22:53:13
In reply to trigger trigger, posted by Larry Hoover on January 15, 2008, at 15:48:52
fuckity f*ck f*ck f*ck!!
a little hard when the whole f*ck*ng world is a minefield of triggers...god just pick me one, and maybe I could deal with it!
Posted by caraher on January 15, 2008, at 23:03:23
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Larry Hoover, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2008, at 22:40:52
I think Larry's just asking that people refrain from postings where "trigger" is clearly being used in a lighthearted vein.
I doesn't bother me when people do that - I can usually figure out which trigger warnings are serious - but I think Larry's concern is that if it happens a lot some Babblers will blunder into reading something truly triggering that they'd rather avoid because flippant use of the "trigger" label drains it of its power as a warning.
Posted by AbbieNormal on January 16, 2008, at 6:12:07
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Phillipa, posted by caraher on January 15, 2008, at 23:03:23
Maybe it would help if there was a Social Board and a Support Board. You could assume the Social board would be simply light hearted silliness for when you are in a goofy mood, or you need cheering up.
The Support board would be for when you need help or if you have some idea for others?
Or...Social and General?
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 16, 2008, at 8:01:00
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Phillipa, posted by caraher on January 15, 2008, at 23:03:23
> I think Larry's just asking that people refrain from postings where "trigger" is clearly being used in a lighthearted vein.
>
> I doesn't bother me when people do that - I can usually figure out which trigger warnings are serious - but I think Larry's concern is that if it happens a lot some Babblers will blunder into reading something truly triggering that they'd rather avoid because flippant use of the "trigger" label drains it of its power as a warning.Yes. It is a special word, with special meaning. Inappropriate use diminishes it. It confuses the issue, one that was already confusing for some who don't carry the burden of trauma, at the very least. It also trivializes the issue. It's not funny. I experienced considerable feelings of emotional vulnerability by just raising my point of concern.
Lar
Posted by karen_kay on January 16, 2008, at 8:14:11
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » caraher, posted by Larry Hoover on January 16, 2008, at 8:01:00
i think it's been discussed that most things i post are triggering, and some people find me and my posts, in particular, triggering.
i'm not poking fun at triggers, as i too have them.
but, am i not free to be me? if not, that's a real shame!
if i'm not able to have a sense of humor on babble, then there's not much else i have going for me.
Posted by karen_kay on January 16, 2008, at 8:30:31
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » caraher, posted by Larry Hoover on January 16, 2008, at 8:01:00
i appreciate the fact that you brought it up, even though it did put you in a sort of 'hot seat' or whatever (sorry, the words jsut don't come).
i'm being sincere, in case there's any question. and i'll consider your request. but honestly, my feeling is that most people know the types of posts i create. and a 'pigtail trigger' or 'yellow trigger' (as in scardey cat of course) should leave little room for question about the content of the posts.
Posted by Toph on January 16, 2008, at 16:35:21
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » caraher, posted by Larry Hoover on January 16, 2008, at 8:01:00
I think you know that I respect you Lar, and I know that the appropriate use of triggers is an important issue for you. You may also recall that I am of the belief that this is an open forum and users should expect that reading any post may reveal disturbing words or ideas. I wonder, as an aside, if someone uses a trigger flippantly, how would one know this for sure if the reader didn't ignore the trigger in the first place? What's the point of having triggers if participants are just going to read the posts anyway?
Posted by Phillipa on January 16, 2008, at 18:19:02
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Larry Hoover, posted by Toph on January 16, 2008, at 16:35:21
Good point. But I do respect you Lar. Phillipa
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 15:16:13
In reply to i see your point and raise you a dollar!, posted by karen_kay on January 16, 2008, at 8:14:11
> if i'm not able to have a sense of humor on babble, then there's not much else i have going for me.
I'm sure that leaving one lone word out of your subject lines will not crimp your style.
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 15:24:38
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Larry Hoover, posted by Toph on January 16, 2008, at 16:35:21
> I think you know that I respect you Lar, and I know that the appropriate use of triggers is an important issue for you. You may also recall that I am of the belief that this is an open forum and users should expect that reading any post may reveal disturbing words or ideas.
My issue is warning, not content.
> I wonder, as an aside, if someone uses a trigger flippantly, how would one know this for sure if the reader didn't ignore the trigger in the first place? What's the point of having triggers if participants are just going to read the posts anyway?
Given appropriate warning, I can probably read any post (if I would so choose to do it).
It is the triggering content that comes without warning that is the most devastating. The trigger flag gives me choice.
Just so you know, merely seeing the word trigger in a subject line is emotionally stressful. It forces me to take an inventory/ assess my resiliency/ make predictions. Having PTSD is not a choice. It is my reality.
Discussing this issue has made me fragile, and I will not speak to it again, just now. I see the issue as being close to inconsequential for many, but not for me.
Lar
Posted by karen_kay on January 17, 2008, at 16:36:04
In reply to Re: i see your point and raise you a dollar! » karen_kay, posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 15:16:13
i will try my best to stop. out of respect. i can't promise i won't slip up, as i've been doing it for quite a while, but i will give it an honest effort.
i didn't mean to offend or hurt you personally.
kk
Posted by ClearSkies on January 17, 2008, at 16:51:02
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Toph, posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 15:24:38
>
> Just so you know, merely seeing the word trigger in a subject line is emotionally stressful. It forces me to take an inventory/ assess my resiliency/ make predictions. Having PTSD is not a choice. It is my reality.
>
> Discussing this issue has made me fragile, and I will not speak to it again, just now. I see the issue as being close to inconsequential for many, but not for me.
>
> LarLar, I would gently remind you that you are not alone here in suffering from PTSD, and that I too appreciate having trigger flags on posts and threads. I also appreciate that humour has its place in our online world, and it's always up to us as the consumers to tread carefully in it. I don't see it as an attempt to make "lite" of the word itself's significance.
And perhaps it's worth a reminder that if you see something that you consider to be an infraction of the guidelines here, a more appropriate way to make your concern known would be to use the Notify The Administrators button, so the deputies could take the matter up for consideration. Otherwise, we can get drawn into the tempests that do little but further fan the flames of our own trigger points.
Respectfully,
CS
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 17:36:39
In reply to Re: trigger trigger » Larry Hoover, posted by ClearSkies on January 17, 2008, at 16:51:02
> Lar, I would gently remind you that you are not alone here in suffering from PTSD,
Yes, I know. I don't grasp your intent, here.
> and that I too appreciate having trigger flags on posts and threads.
I'm glad I'm not alone there.
> I also appreciate that humour has its place in our online world, and it's always up to us as the consumers to tread carefully in it. I don't see it as an attempt to make "lite" of the word itself's significance.
I would argue that it had that effect, notwithstanding the lack of intent.
> And perhaps it's worth a reminder that if you see something that you consider to be an infraction of the guidelines here, a more appropriate way to make your concern known would be to use the Notify The Administrators button, so the deputies could take the matter up for consideration.
How is it an administrative concern? If I recall correctly, no formal guideline was ever created. Trigger flags are voluntary, aren't they? Moreover, I didn't want anyone to be in trouble.
> Otherwise, we can get drawn into the tempests that do little but further fan the flames of our own trigger points.
>
> Respectfully,
> CSI appreciate your respect. IMHO, this matter was addressed in a civil manner, all around. Despite the toll it took on me, it actually is good for me to speak up in this way.
Regards,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 17:43:25
In reply to if it is hurting you lar,, posted by karen_kay on January 17, 2008, at 16:36:04
Uhhh, it helps if I remember how to post, so others can see it.
> i will try my best to stop. out of respect. i can't promise i won't slip up, as i've been doing it for quite a while, but i will give it an honest effort.
Thank you.
> i didn't mean to offend or hurt you personally.
>
> kkI know. Thanks.
Lar
Posted by TexasChic on January 17, 2008, at 18:42:30
In reply to Re: if it is hurting you lar, » karen_kay, posted by Larry Hoover on January 17, 2008, at 17:43:25
This could have gotten out of control, but it didn't. Its difficult at best to understand the meaning and emotions behind what someone posts. By everyone keeping their cool and not making too many assumptions, the respect was felt all around. Way to go people!!!
-T
Posted by Kath on January 18, 2008, at 14:15:23
In reply to I'm proud of Babble today!, posted by TexasChic on January 17, 2008, at 18:42:30
Thanks Larry for being brave enough to be so tremendously vulnerable.
Thanks kk for speaking up & for being honest & caring & considerate.
Thanks everyone for what TC said.
hugs to all, except I know that some don't like 'online hugs' & I think I sometimes overdo it, but I really do feel it when I say it.
luv, Kath
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2008, at 10:22:58
In reply to I'm proud of Babble today!, posted by TexasChic on January 17, 2008, at 18:42:30
> This could have gotten out of control, but it didn't.
I second that, thanks, everyone! And Larry, thanks for bringing up the trigger issue again. We never did resolve it before.
Bob
Posted by trx resistant on January 24, 2008, at 3:55:52
In reply to Re: I'm proud of Babble today!, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2008, at 10:22:58
Ok, you guys, you are making me all proud and mushy which is fine. I've never looked at this board before. That just shows you how much better I am because I'm exploring and want to feel closer to people again. So I like the idea of making a new "social" board and then keep the "support" board too.
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