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Posted by Gabbix2 on September 1, 2005, at 21:29:01
In reply to Re: Whoa! Did I cause all this???, posted by lynn970 on September 1, 2005, at 20:56:40
> I was just trying to keep the peace.
> When my dad had TB we were on welfare...
>
> Dont like to see babblers argue
>I appreciate that, and your concern and It's not my favorite thing either, but then neither is a forced, tepid congiality.
I did understand that she was speaking in frustration and I'd mentioned in my previous post that people are far more likely to say things they wouldn't normally, when in a frightening position such as Dominiques.We cleared it up. It was not an argument. I said how I felt, and she apologized. But I'm not going to let a hurtful generalization, slip by for the sake of keeping peace.
After all it's during times of frustration that we are quite likely (not always) able to find out where people really stand. It's more simple to be fair and kind when everything is going well.
I find it more peaceful after the people involved have talked it through, and worked through things, as we did. You get to know someone that way, I mean it's not ideal
And I don't do it as a matter of course :)As it is, the fact that Dominique apologized, said more to me about her than her original post. I really respect that, and if I'd not said anything, I would only have the hurt I felt at her remark to associate with her.
Now I feel really bad for Dominique, don't worry, I won't mention your name, at least not about this subject, again, I promise : )
It's gone on long enough
Posted by Dominique on September 1, 2005, at 22:12:26
In reply to Re: Dominique is under a great deal of stress, posted by lynn970 on September 1, 2005, at 21:06:50
Yes it does. Walking through shopping centers and so forth... you can feel eyes shooting through you. It took a long time for my family to get used to the idea, but now everything is somewhat better.
Dom
Posted by Nickengland on September 2, 2005, at 6:06:12
In reply to Do you think, posted by Bobby on August 30, 2005, at 18:34:54
If anyone is interested how to help, who are living outside of the US, I thought this may be of some help and to those living inside the US too of course.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4204066.stm
Warm regards
Nick
Posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:17:50
In reply to Re: I wondered about foreign aid also » sunny10, posted by Damos on September 2, 2005, at 15:58:49
I just wish there was something I could do to help. But it seems the only help they want is money (I've already donated what little I could). If I were to drive out to one of the evacuation centers it would probably cost more than I could afford in gas anyway. I just feel so bad for the kids, elderly, and ill.
-T
Posted by TamaraJ on September 2, 2005, at 17:30:08
In reply to Is anyone else getting depressed because of this?, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:17:50
It's hard to sit by and watch people suffer knowing there is not much we, as individuals, can do to ease the suffering. This may sound stupid, but perhaps there is something you could do within your own community - like a community drive to collect clothes, shoes, household items (including even second-hand furniture and drapes, etc.), toys for kids and other things that can distributed to the victims for when people are in a position to start putting their lives back together. I am sure some could even use clothes and such now. So many have been left with little more than the clothes on their backs. They have lost so much. It has been beyond heartwrenching to watch the news coverage. One man was holding an eight-week old baby and was distraught that they didn't know where they would get milk to feed the baby. So much suffering, so much despair, so much loss.
T
> I just wish there was something I could do to help. But it seems the only help they want is money (I've already donated what little I could). If I were to drive out to one of the evacuation centers it would probably cost more than I could afford in gas anyway. I just feel so bad for the kids, elderly, and ill.
>
> -T
Posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:42:38
In reply to Re: Is anyone else getting depressed because of this?, posted by TamaraJ on September 2, 2005, at 17:30:08
Yeah, I obviously need to try harder. There's definetely a need, so there must be a way. I mean all these refugees are right here in my neighborhood. I guess its just so overwhelming to me. I think I need to stop watching all the news coverage. I'll be no use to anyone if I fall into a deep depression over this.
-T
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 17:48:11
In reply to Is anyone else getting depressed because of this?, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:17:50
I just wish there was something I could do to help. But it seems the only help they want is money (I've already donated what little I could). If I were to drive out to one of the evacuation centers it would probably cost more than I could afford in gas anyway. I just feel so bad for the kids, elderly, and ill.
-T
It is so sad. I feel bad for the babies and the nice people.
The violent ones are making it hard to help. My friends and I are doing all that we can around here. We wanted to go to Baton Rouge, but were told not to go there. They said that they dont want people to go because we would just get in the way. (Baton Rouge doubled in population) Besides, I was also told that some of the people are holding people up and taking their vehicles.
I was just notified that a bus carrying people away just flipped off of Hwy 49 in St Landry Parish.If you believe in prayer. Just pray.
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 17:54:51
In reply to Re: Is anyone else getting depressed because of th » TamaraJ, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:42:38
TC, please dont go into a depression over this. Your heart is in the right place and I am sure that you will be a blessing to someone in or near your neighborhood.
Posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:58:45
In reply to Re: Is anyone else getting depressed because of th » TamaraJ, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:42:38
The government knew it was coming, but they just left it up to the individuals to get themselves out! Why didn't the gov. help them?! So many people had no means to get out! They didn't even try to get the ill, elderly, and children out. Then, knowing the terrible conditions these people were stuck in, they still left them for days in unsafe, unsanitary conditions with no food or water. I just feel like the gov. really dropped the ball on this one. They should have been better prepared to handle this after the 9/11 experience. Its no wonder its chaos and violence, that's the way people get when desperate and scared. And these people are terrified. They think they are forgotten and ignored. They think that because the majority is black that they are not getting the immediate attention they would have otherwise. This whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach. I just needed to vent, I hope I didn't inadvertantly insult anyone. Please regard it as a miscomunication if I did.
-T
Posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 18:06:32
In reply to My rant, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:58:45
Oh God, I just heard how people are getting crushed against gates trying to get out. And a cop just said 'they're raping children in the superdome'. The reporter said, how do you know? And she said 'because they're coming up to us and telling us'. The reports of good people are mixed in with the bad ones.
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 18:08:11
In reply to My rant, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:58:45
I want to know why levees were not updated. Louisiana knew that the "big one" would come sooner or later. The levees were only strong enough to withstand a category 3 hurricane.
Posted by TamaraJ on September 2, 2005, at 18:08:33
In reply to My rant, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:58:45
I was thinking the same thing as you. I have just been shaking my head in disbelief at the delayed response the people of the areas hit by Katrina have been subjected to. Deprived of the basic necessicities - water, food, shelter . . . - for four days. It is all so unacceptable, and it is beyond heartbreaking. I agree with you, TexaxChic, the government, IMO (and I am sorry if I offend anyone) was caught with its pants down. It is not like people did not know Katrina was coming. Nor could people not have known the devastation Katrina would have left in her wake, especially after Andrew. I mean, people were being asked/told to evacuate days before Katrina hit. So, why did the government not have an emergency measures plan of some kind in place that could have been implemented once the hurricane passed? I guess that is the question I have, although I know no answers will be forthcoming. Why were trucks not ready to roll into the area with provisions like food water, medical supplies, clothes, etc., to ease some of the suffering these people are experiencing. Why was the possibility of shelter not arranged on a contingency basis, and transportation waiting to roll in and take these people to safey? Why? Why? Why? People should not be standing in the streets screaming We want help! We want help! four days after the fact.
> The government knew it was coming, but they just left it up to the individuals to get themselves out! Why didn't the gov. help them?! So many people had no means to get out! They didn't even try to get the ill, elderly, and children out. Then, knowing the terrible conditions these people were stuck in, they still left them for days in unsafe, unsanitary conditions with no food or water. I just feel like the gov. really dropped the ball on this one. They should have been better prepared to handle this after the 9/11 experience. Its no wonder its chaos and violence, that's the way people get when desperate and scared. And these people are terrified. They think they are forgotten and ignored. They think that because the majority is black that they are not getting the immediate attention they would have otherwise. This whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach. I just needed to vent, I hope I didn't inadvertantly insult anyone. Please regard it as a miscomunication if I did.
>
> -T
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 18:19:32
In reply to Re: My rant, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 18:06:32
My husband just told me about a guy in Baton Rouge who had the horrible task of moving body bags. One of the bodies was a man who was shot because he did not give up his boat to a "looter."
We cannot forget about the innocent people who need help. I am scarred to go help because I have small children that I want to live to see grow up.
Once again. Pray...
Posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 18:23:52
In reply to Re: Trigger, posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 18:19:32
Should I have put trigger on mine? I never know when to put trigger.
Anyway, I'm calming down. I just freaked out for a little bit there. I'm looking on the Red Cross and Fema sites for volunteer opportunities.
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 18:32:41
In reply to Re: Trigger, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 18:23:52
I only put trigger on mine because of the mention of bodybags. I dont think that you needed one.
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 18:45:08
In reply to Re: Trigger, posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 18:32:41
On the news it was reported that people frome Syre Lanka want to help. Isnt that sweet! Shaaa!
Posted by Dinah on September 2, 2005, at 19:44:21
In reply to Re: Is anyone else getting depressed because of this?, posted by TamaraJ on September 2, 2005, at 17:30:08
It seems bizarre that I can deal with a Category four hurricane, and remain optimistic. But I see what's going on now, and I just never want to return.
Posted by crazy teresa on September 2, 2005, at 20:00:24
In reply to I am depressed, posted by Dinah on September 2, 2005, at 19:44:21
I'm so sorry Dinah. If you'd like to start rebuilding your life in IL, I have room for your family--seriously.
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 20:45:13
In reply to I am depressed, posted by Dinah on September 2, 2005, at 19:44:21
Is there anything I can do?
>But I see what's going on now, and I just never want to return.
Do you mean the violence? Just keep in mind that there are more good people than bad in the world.
Posted by lynn970 on September 2, 2005, at 20:46:11
In reply to Re: I am depressed » Dinah, posted by crazy teresa on September 2, 2005, at 20:00:24
Posted by 10derHeart on September 2, 2005, at 20:57:50
In reply to Is anyone else getting depressed because of this?, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:17:50
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 3, 2005, at 8:44:58
In reply to Redirect: foreign aid + please be civil » Dominique, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2005, at 22:24:11
> And follow-ups regarding welfare and foreign aid should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Politics.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20050728/msgs/548858.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by crushedout on September 3, 2005, at 11:21:45
In reply to I am depressed, posted by Dinah on September 2, 2005, at 19:44:21
I don't blame you, Dinah. It's very disturbing.
Posted by KaraS on September 3, 2005, at 18:30:52
In reply to My rant, posted by TexasChic on September 2, 2005, at 17:58:45
> The government knew it was coming, but they just left it up to the individuals to get themselves out! Why didn't the gov. help them?! So many people had no means to get out! They didn't even try to get the ill, elderly, and children out. Then, knowing the terrible conditions these people were stuck in, they still left them for days in unsafe, unsanitary conditions with no food or water. I just feel like the gov. really dropped the ball on this one. They should have been better prepared to handle this after the 9/11 experience. Its no wonder its chaos and violence, that's the way people get when desperate and scared. And these people are terrified. They think they are forgotten and ignored. They think that because the majority is black that they are not getting the immediate attention they would have otherwise. This whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach. I just needed to vent, I hope I didn't inadvertantly insult anyone. Please regard it as a miscomunication if I did.
>
> -T
Exactly! Why weren't there better plans for how to deal with this? This was a storm that we knew was coming! And once it hit, why were people left at the Superdome for days without food and water? Didn't anyone think that once they got there they'd need to eat? I've been watching the news and reading whatever I can to try to figure out what went wrong here. Aside from not having a good organized plan to deal with a disaster like this, there was also a problem with the federal government not recognizing the depth of the problem until it was too late.Early reports of Bush on the scene in Biloxi had him saying that they needed to get some generators & diesel fuel down there so that they could restore air-conditioning. Clearly he had no idea how dire the situation was in New Orleans. Ted Koppel was grilling the head of FEMA on the ohter night on "Nightline". The FEMA head said that they didn't know how bad it was for a couple of days. Koppel replied that the media has been reporting it for quite a while and doesn't he or anyone in his department ever watch the news on tv or pick up a newspaper?
A friend sent me an e-mail trying to answer my questions. He said that according to the Stafford act, 68 USC, the procedure in a major disaster is that "the Governor of a State must ask the President to designate an event as a major disaster. The Governor of Louisiana did that on August 28.
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf
"At that point, all that is required is a Presidential designation, and it then becomes a co-ordinated disaster effort by Federal, State and local governments, with, and this is the important part, the Federal Government assuming the lead role. As soon as the President declares a federal emergency, he is in charge."
http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm
I'm trying now to find out exactly when the federal government designated the area as a major disaster. There was too long of a lapse but I just don't know exactly how long that was. Obviously, the federal government dropped the ball. My guess is that the head of FEMA will be the scapegoat and lose his job - though without the President declaring the area a disaster, he couldn't do anything.
Here's a good article about how some strategic planners were trying to get FEMA to take this kind of a scenario seriously in July, 2004 and the FEMA engineers just literally laughed at them.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9178501/
Here are a couple of other good articles on what went wrong.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/02/bush.katrina.ap/index.html
and
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1092744&page=1
Posted by KaraS on September 6, 2005, at 17:35:15
In reply to Re: My rant » TexasChic, posted by KaraS on September 3, 2005, at 18:30:52
I don't know of anyone is still following this thread but, for the record, I wanted to make a correction.
In my previous post I wrote that the governor of Louisiana had declared a state of emergency on August 28th but according to the timeline I've just read on CNN on-line, that happened earlier, on August 26th:
"• 4 p.m.: The National Hurricane Center warns that Katrina is expected to reach dangerous Category 4 intensity before making landfall in Mississippi or Louisiana. Hours later, in anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declare states of emergency."
The time-line further shows that Bush declared a state of emergency on Aug. 27th. The storm hits Louisiana on the 29th.
Therefore, contrary to what I had read earlier, the timing of the declaration of a state of emergency by Bush cannot account for the hold up in the federal government's response to Katrina.
This is the end of the thread.
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