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Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 11:07:54
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects » Nezirov, posted by Sarah T. on June 24, 2005, at 23:00:43
Hi Sarah,
That's good that your chewing problems finally went away. If you like, please join our group on Yahoo. We are thinking about initiating a class-action lawsuit concerning persistent sexual dysfunction at some point.
Nezirov
Posted by Nickengland on June 25, 2005, at 11:07:54
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 24, 2005, at 17:01:29
>Lucky you!!
Nezirov,
You mention i'm lucky?
From the ages of 17 to 20 being on and off SSRI's (6months at a time) and having sexual side effects throughout those last years of my teens, I personally do not consider myself "lucky"
I said I dont know of any permanaent damage that I know of....as since then I was diagnosed as bipolar and have been on lithium, lamaotrigine, sodium valproate, carbabazepine, oxcarbazepine and neurontin. All of these have caused sexual problems as well. Carbamazepine and oxcarbazepine caused impotence, as well as lithium and the other 2 were not of much help either. Needless to say my body chemistry has definately been changed and that would probably include my sexual chemistry to some extent.
It is well known that all psychiatric drugs can cause very terrible side effetcs and its scary to think when you discontinue the drug some of these effects may last, like Tardive dyskinesia with anti-psychotics.
I'm no way in favour of the drug companies, but how are they to know what will happen in the future with the long-term effects of new drugs on humans beings?..as they are not futune tellers? I'm sure when people first took lithium they didn't know that they could damage their kidneys and thyroid...when they found out did they sue?
Kind regardsNick
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 11:07:54
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects » Nezirov, posted by Nickengland on June 25, 2005, at 4:22:56
What was your original reason for taking SSRIs? Do you think you were bipolar before you ever touched an SSRI? How prevalent a disease do you think bipolar is? You mention possible permanent alterations of brain chemistry: Have you ever considered the possibilty that the SSRIs made you bipolar?
And yes, I think it's perfectly reasonable to sue if somebody suffers long-term damage from a psych drug. The drug companies already know that SSRIs cause long term sexual dysfunction in a high percentage of users, but they have not yet disclosed this to the public, for obvious reasons. Highly, highly, unethical.
Nezirov
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 11:07:54
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects » Nezirov, posted by Nickengland on June 25, 2005, at 4:22:56
By the way, did you know that Eli Lilly still will not officially acknowledge that prozac causes sexual dysfunction even while you're taking it! Can anybody say "tobacco companies"?
Posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 11:07:54
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects » Nezirov, posted by Nickengland on June 25, 2005, at 4:22:56
You may be interested in these documents. A report on the reproductive and developmental toxicity of prozac, by no less and authority than the NIH. Note that Eli Lilly disputes the conclusions:
CERHR Fluoxetine Expert Panel. 2004.
NTP-CERHR Expert Panel Report on the
Reproductive and Developmental Toxicity of Fluoxetine.NTP-CERHR-Fluoxetine-04. Research Triangle Park, NC: National Institute of
Environmental Health Sciences. Available at
http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/news/fluoxetine/fluoxetine_final.pdf
http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/news/fluoxetine/pubcomm/Eli_Lilly.pdf
http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/news/fluoxetine/index.html.
Posted by Nickengland on June 25, 2005, at 11:07:54
In reply to Re: SSRI Permanent or Persistent Sexual Side Effects, posted by Nezirov on June 25, 2005, at 5:31:06
My original reason for starting SSRI's was for a very deep disturbed depression at the age of 17...before this I had never taken any psychiatric drugs....
Before that, at the age of 16 I did have hypomanic symtoms, very mild hypo manic symtoms, nothing psychotic or delusional and not requiring hospitalisation so I fit neatly into the bipolar 2 catagory really.
So yes I beleieve I was bipolar before I went on SSRI's and it was to some extent inherited from my mother who is also bipolar. I had very similar symtoms to her and the age of onset of the illness was almost exactly the same as hers which clearly shows a genetic facter I believe.
I don't believe SSRI's could make someone bipolar...as SSRI's are simply not the cause of bipolar disorder, like cannabis is not the cause of schizophrenia - some people become psychotic from smoking cannabis and then go on to have a diagnosis of schizophrenia...but that doesnt mean the cannabis made the person schizoprenic...like wise an SSRI would not make a person bipolar. A bipolar diagnosis it not something litghly given either, it can sometimes take on average 8 years to recieve one and a careful history needs to be taken..such as in my case my mother having bipolar. Although some people can have a manic reaction to SSRI's...but when the SSRI's are stopped so is the manic reaction.
Lets not forget that low libido and poor sexual function are also side effects of depression...and if that depression is permanent and persistent thoughout you're life...so are some of the symtoms. Its a catch 22 that to treat the depression you make you sexual function worse...Luckily not all anti-depressants have this effect and you can take stuff to counter this.
Nick
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