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Posted by AuntieMel on March 10, 2005, at 12:27:22
In reply to Re: school matters, no death for now » alexandra_k, posted by Shy_Girl on March 9, 2005, at 17:00:04
I went back to school late, finally got my BS when I was 36. And I wasn't the oldest one there by a long shot.
As long as you have breath it's not too late.
Posted by AuntieMel on March 10, 2005, at 12:32:14
In reply to If you're looking for geeks...... » Shy_Girl, posted by kid47 on March 9, 2005, at 15:08:07
Ah, but do you still have a slide rule and know how to use it?
Posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 1:06:51
In reply to Re: Why death is an option for me » Shy_Girl, posted by Impermanence on March 9, 2005, at 13:13:10
Impermanence,I enjoyed reading your post, and was sorry to hear you've gone through suicide attempts and lots of other traumatic things in your life. I can't imagine how scary some of that must have been. I hope you are finding more peace now. When reading, I did feel there were a couple of comments that maybe could have been worded better, in light of the civility rules. For example…
<< The moral and religious issues as any intelligent rational people understand are nothing more than man made philosophies…….>>
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I don’t intend to infringe on your right to free speech. But when I read this, I felt a little demeaned just for not holding the same view as you. My question would be, are you saying that someone who *doesn’t* think moral and religious issues are, "nothing more than man made philosophies," is unintelligent and irrational? (My beliefs are completely different, yet most people who know me still seem to consider me fairly rational and intelligent. Not trying to be sarcastic, just reinforce my point.) Seems like this could be considered a little uncivil. But that's only my reaction, and I may have misinterpreted your meaning. If so, I apologize. Civility is, of course, ultimately Dr. Bob's call.
<<Over the years I've become very spiritually aware (and I don't mean religious, I have no time for that crap)>>
I have also become spiritually aware. In my case, it is in the context of a certain religious tradition. Therefore, I did feel put down when you described religion as "crap." To be blunt, this statement personally offended me. Perhaps you could have just said something like, "I’ve become very spiritually aware, but I don’t mean by following any particular religion or belief system, as none of those work for me." Or something clearer - that was just my clumsy attempt. Strong language, as long as it expresses your opinion without a sense of scorn, or "name-calling" that comes with a phrase like, "…I have no time for that crap," I think would be still be fine.
Wording things carefully here at Babble, especially when it comes to deeply personal issues such as religious beliefs, should allow everyone to have a voice without causing each other distress. Or at least minimize it as much as possible. Does that make sense?
<< I guess what I'm trying to say is it's O.K. to commit suicide, but it's crazy to do it so early in your life. Give yourself time, a lot of time before you make a decision that you can never ever go back on. Life may suck right now but you have to admit it's pretty incredible too. >>
No offense taken here, I just had questions. Since you told Shy Girl you think it’s "crazy" to commit suicide "so early in your life," at what point would it be okay? Is there a certain age, or maturity level, or something else, that makes it more acceptable to you? I noticed and loved how you appreciate all the awesome and, as you wrote, "incredible" stuff about life, so since life keeps changing for better and for worse, how would you know "when" was the right time to go ahead with suicide? I can’t work it out, but I thought that maybe you already had? I do not intend disrespect, just honestly thinking through what you wrote...
I posted in the spirit of trying to help us all stay within the civility guidelines. I expect the same scrutiny from you and everyone else. Including anything in this post, of course, that I wrote that may be a problem. I just think it's really important to keep trying, bit by bit, to understand each other better. Sometimes for me, that means speaking up when it's uncomfortable to do so. Respectfully, 10derHeart
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 11, 2005, at 1:42:39
In reply to Re: Civility and a question... » Impermanence, posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 1:06:51
Posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 2:10:41
In reply to Re: thanks for posting that (nm) » 10derHeart, posted by Dr. Bob on March 11, 2005, at 1:42:39
..thanks for posting that. Not to get too "admin" on this board, but I wasn't sure if that was the way to address my concern. Gave it a shot and apparently, it worked for you..whew ;-)
Hmm, I believe we are in the same time zone..get some sleep, Dr. B!
Posted by Impermanence on March 11, 2005, at 3:18:14
In reply to Re: Civility and a question... » Impermanence, posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 1:06:51
>>> You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I don’t intend to infringe on your right to free speech. But when I read this, I felt a little demeaned just for not holding the same view as you. My question would be, are you saying that someone who *doesn’t* think moral and religious issues are, "nothing more than man made philosophies," is unintelligent and irrational?Why would you feel demeaned over a strangers "opinion"? If your faith was strong enough woulden't you think I was the fool. I'm certainly NOT saying people who hold religious beliefs are unintelligent and irrational, thats called twisting words, and I hope you're not looking for a message board argument because I don't intend to have one. I did say "any intelligent rational people understand are nothing more than man made philosophies" and people who do think this way are usually intelligent rational people which is what I was saying. Thats not to say someone who holds a religious belief system is not intelligent. In my own personal life experence I have found that the type of person who questions things and walks through the fear into the unknown and decides not to comform to a train of thought is usually intelligent, logical, scientific and in many cases full of wisdom. But I don't have an opinion on those that decide to follow religion and I diden't say anything about anybody who did. I envy them getting comfort in a place "I feel" is an illusion. And I respect their choice. If I'm "certainly entitled to my opinion" as you said, and it was a post addressed to Shy_Girl, and I never said anything about people who hold religious beliefs then whats the problem. Why probe the mind of somebody who obviously has chosen Science and awareness over the bible for an opinion on people who comform to religion?? I don't need an opinion, I have better things to think about. Everybodys equal to me, I'm an *ss, you're an *ss, we are all a bunch of *sses just trying to figure things out in the best way we know how.
>>> I have also become spiritually aware. In my case, it is in the context of a certain religious tradition. Therefore, I did feel put down when you described religion as "crap." To be blunt, this statement personally offended me. Perhaps you could have just said something like, "I’ve become very spiritually aware, but I don’t mean by following any particular religion or belief system, as none of those work for me." Or something clearer - that was just my clumsy attempt. Strong language, as long as it expresses your opinion without a sense of scorn, or "name-calling" that comes with a phrase like, "…I have no time for that crap," I think would be still be fine.
Again MY OPINION, religion to me means nothing, to hold that idea is my prerogative and it should not offend you for it had no offencive remark towards you. Again I think you're looking for an argument and not truly offended. How could me saying "I" have no time for that crap be offencive to anybody. I'm not saying I have no time for any people or race. I just have no time for an idea, a philosophy. I never even named a religion.
>>> Wording things carefully here at Babble, especially when it comes to deeply personal issues such as religious beliefs, should allow everyone to have a voice without causing each other distress. Or at least minimize it as much as possible. Does that make sense?Reading things carefully helps too.
>>> No offense taken here, I just had questions. Since you told Shy Girl you think it’s "crazy" to commit suicide "so early in your life," at what point would it be okay? Is there a certain age, or maturity level, or something else, that makes it more acceptable to you?
Yes there is actually and I think you understood perfectly clear what I ment. I believe people should strive to a certen point of enlightenment or wisdom before they do anything drastic, if they get there they most likely won't want to end there own life anymore. It could take 30 years or a lifetime, some wake up by a few pages of a book, but I think it's important to see the bigger picture and understand your inner self better before you make a decision you can't go back on. As I also said "Don't make a decision with your EGO mind you can't go back on that your true self would never conceive of". Make an effort to let go of the ego and see with a clensed mind. If you still feel you want to end your life with a more aware mind then so be it. Thats the choice of the individual. I also think it's important to explore every avenue of treatment, and try it again and again. There are some people who never feel good, even with a mind full of wisdom, nobody left to take responsibility for and all treatments exhausted, in this case I believe it's O.K. to take your own life.
>>> I posted in the spirit of trying to help us all stay within the civility guidelines. I expect the same scrutiny from you and everyone else. Including anything in this post, of course, that I wrote that may be a problem. I just think it's really important to keep trying, bit by bit, to understand each other better. Sometimes for me, that means speaking up when it's uncomfortable to do so. Respectfully, 10derHeartI diden't say anything offensive about anybody and I won't apologize for anything I did say apart from using the word crap. I should have said I have no time for that train of thought. So for that I'm sorry. I mearly expressed how "I" feel about an idea. I think you should start taking life with a pinch of salt and maybe finding something to keep you busy would help you not to get so easily offended.
Respectfully,
Impermanence
Posted by kid47 on March 11, 2005, at 10:15:12
In reply to Re: geek squad » kid47, posted by AuntieMel on March 10, 2005, at 12:32:14
Posted by Susan47 on March 11, 2005, at 10:39:06
In reply to Re: Civility and a question... » 10derHeart, posted by Impermanence on March 11, 2005, at 3:18:14
I believe you expressed your concerns very well. You are a thinking person, and I can certainly understand how someone would have felt upset by the way Impermanence posted, then and lately.
Posted by AuntieMel on March 11, 2005, at 11:55:25
In reply to a slide what? (nm) » AuntieMel, posted by kid47 on March 11, 2005, at 10:15:12
Posted by All Done on March 11, 2005, at 12:26:36
In reply to Re: a slide rule - hah! I out-geek ya! (nm) » kid47, posted by AuntieMel on March 11, 2005, at 11:55:25
Don't let kid fool you, Auntie Mel.
I heard somewhere that he has a calculator watch he wears even though the calculator doesn't work anymore. He just thinks he looks cool.
Posted by kid47 on March 11, 2005, at 14:15:33
In reply to Re: a slide rule - hah! I out-geek ya! » AuntieMel, posted by All Done on March 11, 2005, at 12:26:36
I thought you weren't gonna tell anybody about that. Still got the watch. Still doesn't work right. I suppose I could scrape the $19.95 together and just buy a new one. Apparently I'm just too sentimental about the old one to retire it. Hope you're doing fine.
Peace
kid
Posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 14:35:30
In reply to Dear 10derheart, posted by Susan47 on March 11, 2005, at 10:39:06
Thanks, Susan. I tried to be reasonable, but maybe I failed. I don't know. Oh, well. Appreciate your post, dear.
Posted by kid47 on March 11, 2005, at 14:43:25
In reply to Re: a slide rule - hah! I out-geek ya! (nm) » kid47, posted by AuntieMel on March 11, 2005, at 11:55:25
I'm old enough to remember the slide rule but young enough to have benefitted from a great little invention from Texas Instuments. It was the pocket engineering calculator. When they first came out, engineering students lined up for blocks outside Wallmart for the privilege of forking out about $300 to own one. By the time I needed one the price had dropped to around 10 bucks. Algorithms
schmalgorithms.Have a great day
kid
Posted by AuntieMel on March 11, 2005, at 18:14:03
In reply to Re: a slide rule - hah! I out-geek ya! » AuntieMel, posted by kid47 on March 11, 2005, at 14:43:25
No - there wasn't any walmart then. You had to go to high end electronics stores to plunk down 300 for one that did what a two dollar one does now.
Posted by messadivoce on March 12, 2005, at 1:23:20
In reply to Re: Dear 10derheart » Susan47, posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 14:35:30
You are one of the most sane, reasonable, non-offensive, articulate, polite people I know. Don't let anyone make you doubt that. Hugs.
Voce
Posted by 10derHeart on March 12, 2005, at 2:13:14
In reply to Re: Dear 10derheart » 10derHeart, posted by messadivoce on March 12, 2005, at 1:23:20
Wow, what to do with so many compliments at 2 am? Appreciate you tons and tons. Same right back to you, too. BIG Hugs :-)))
Posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2005, at 7:00:44
In reply to Re: Civility and a question... » 10derHeart, posted by Impermanence on March 11, 2005, at 3:18:14
>I think you should start taking life with a pinch of salt and maybe finding something to keep you busy would help you not to get so easily offended.
Everyone's threshold and subject matter for what offends differs. Please take care to follow the civility guidelines of the site.
Thanks,
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2005, at 7:02:05
In reply to Re: Dear 10derheart » messadivoce, posted by 10derHeart on March 12, 2005, at 2:13:14
Posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2005, at 7:04:13
In reply to Shhhh.... » All Done, posted by kid47 on March 11, 2005, at 14:15:33
Hubby has one. He also has my grandfather's slide rule and old engineering text books. He's a nerd, and I love him.
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 12, 2005, at 7:37:57
In reply to Please be supportive » Impermanence, posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2005, at 7:00:44
> >I think you should start taking life with a pinch of salt and maybe finding something to keep you busy would help you not to get so easily offended.
>
> Everyone's threshold and subject matter for what offends differs. Please take care to follow the civility guidelines of the site.The last time you were blocked it was for 2 weeks, and this time I'm making it for 4.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by 10derHeart on March 12, 2005, at 16:28:29
In reply to Re: Dear 10derheart--ditto what others said (nm), posted by gardenergirl on March 12, 2005, at 7:02:05
Posted by 10derHeart on March 12, 2005, at 16:56:24
In reply to Re: blocked for 4 weeks » Impermanence, posted by Dr. Bob on March 12, 2005, at 7:37:57
Impermanence's block is unfortunate, and I take no pleasure in it. I guess it just is what it is here in our community. (Dr. B., I do appreciate you looking back in on this thread, though.)
From the bottom of my heart, I truly do think every single poster has something valuable to offer here. I often read a lot of the posts from those posters I tend to disagree with, just to keep an open mind and *hear* what they believe, too. I love the diversity of Babble. That's part of why I even bothered to post what I did. To maybe do it on behalf of others reading, who noticed the same things I did, but weren't comfortable trying to post any comments. Wish I could have figured a way to not have a block be the result....but...
..on the other hand, I can't take responsibility for the actions or words of another. It's really a full time time job just tending to that for myself :-) Just wanted to say that.
Posted by antigua on March 14, 2005, at 15:58:07
In reply to Re: Why death is an option for me » Shy_Girl, posted by kid47 on March 9, 2005, at 10:37:03
Is that ice cream and cheetos together, or do they serve separate needs.
Sorry if someone already asked. I have a friend who raves about good French wine and cheetos. Says it can't be beat.
antigua
Posted by antigua on March 14, 2005, at 16:11:56
In reply to Re: Civility and a question... » 10derHeart, posted by Impermanence on March 11, 2005, at 3:18:14
I so enjoy having you around. I love the way you think. Please don't get blocked.
antigua
Posted by antigua on March 14, 2005, at 16:14:29
In reply to Re: Civility and a question... » Impermanence, posted by antigua on March 14, 2005, at 16:11:56
This is the end of the thread.
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