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Posted by Dr. Bob on June 6, 2004, at 11:00:08
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN, posted by sl on June 6, 2004, at 10:09:33
Posted by sl on June 6, 2004, at 10:09:33
> > I realize tha in the lasy 6000 years, mans gene pool has become increasingly "polluted" and mutations have occurred resulting in sickness in all three areas. ( Body Mind Spirit )
>
> Those mutations are called "evolution". Once they are in effect the problematic ones are slowly weeded out by natural selection until only the advantageous ones are left, to be passed on. (Do a Google on "social darwinism".)
> Don't go down that path, it is a sticky slope and anthropologists like me spend years studying and debating it.
Posted by Buckeye Fan on June 7, 2004, at 6:18:21
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN « sl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 6, 2004, at 11:00:08
> Posted by sl on June 6, 2004, at 10:09:33
>
> > > I realize tha in the lasy 6000 years, mans gene pool has become increasingly "polluted" and mutations have occurred resulting in sickness in all three areas. ( Body Mind Spirit )
> >
> > Those mutations are called "evolution". Once they are in effect the problematic ones are slowly weeded out by natural selection until only the advantageous ones are left, to be passed on. (Do a Google on "social darwinism".)
> > Don't go down that path, it is a sticky slope and anthropologists like me spend years studying and debating it.
>Dear SL,
As a minister of the Gospel, I too have studied "evolution" and found it severely lacking
in explaining much.
As the Pyscho Babble site demonstrates...the theory of evolution does not account for a number of things, including mankinds struggle with mental illness.I would rather place my trust in what thus saith the Lord
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"....I think you will find much better answers to any questions you might have about life, in the pages of the Bible....Science and the Bible are alot closer than you might think!
God bless
Buckeye Fan
Posted by Emme on June 7, 2004, at 7:24:29
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN, posted by Buckeye Fan on June 7, 2004, at 6:18:21
Should this perhaps be moved over to the "faith" board?
> > Posted by sl on June 6, 2004, at 10:09:33
> >
> > > > I realize tha in the lasy 6000 years, mans gene pool has become increasingly "polluted" and mutations have occurred resulting in sickness in all three areas. ( Body Mind Spirit )
> > >
> > > Those mutations are called "evolution". Once they are in effect the problematic ones are slowly weeded out by natural selection until only the advantageous ones are left, to be passed on. (Do a Google on "social darwinism".)
> > > Don't go down that path, it is a sticky slope and anthropologists like me spend years studying and debating it.
> >
>
> Dear SL,
> As a minister of the Gospel, I too have studied "evolution" and found it severely lacking
> in explaining much.
>
> As the Pyscho Babble site demonstrates...the theory of evolution does not account for a number of things, including mankinds struggle with mental illness.
>
> I would rather place my trust in what thus saith the Lord
> "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"....
>
> I think you will find much better answers to any questions you might have about life, in the pages of the Bible....Science and the Bible are alot closer than you might think!
>
> God bless
> Buckeye Fan
>
>
Posted by Buckeye Fan on June 7, 2004, at 8:02:54
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN » Buckeye Fan, posted by Emme on June 7, 2004, at 7:24:29
Hi Emme,
I am not the Moderator of course...
but I feel I can demonstrate scientific FACT that
is in favor of a Creator rather than the theory of Evolution, and how it relates to our use of Drugs.Man is more than emotions, more than a body, and of course more than a spirit.
We are all three.
So any one area, though treatment is different..I believe will EFFECT ...and therefore must take into account the WHOLE man.The choice of our Med's...should reflect, a
realization of man as a tripart being.No need for me to even preach about my personal
faith in Jesus Christ..there is sufficient Scientific evidence to show Creative Design.Buckeye Fan
Posted by Emme on June 7, 2004, at 8:20:24
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN, posted by Buckeye Fan on June 7, 2004, at 8:02:54
Nor am I the moderator. It was simply a thought that since you seemed to want to discuss your faith, that you might find a satisfying arena on a faith-based sub-board.
I personally don't have the time or energy right now to discuss creationism or how it ultimately relates to psychiatric practice. But I'm sure that with so many interesting folks on this board, you'll have a stimulating thread, especially on your philosophy of the mind/body relationship.
Emme
> Hi Emme,
> I am not the Moderator of course...
> but I feel I can demonstrate scientific FACT that
> is in favor of a Creator rather than the theory of Evolution, and how it relates to our use of Drugs.
>
> Man is more than emotions, more than a body, and of course more than a spirit.
>
> We are all three.
> So any one area, though treatment is different..I believe will EFFECT ...and therefore must take into account the WHOLE man.
>
> The choice of our Med's...should reflect, a
> realization of man as a tripart being.
>
> No need for me to even preach about my personal
> faith in Jesus Christ..there is sufficient Scientific evidence to show Creative Design.
>
> Buckeye Fan
Posted by sl on June 7, 2004, at 10:33:47
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN, posted by Buckeye Fan on June 7, 2004, at 6:18:21
> > Posted by sl on June 6, 2004, at 10:09:33
> > > > I realize tha in the lasy 6000 years, mans gene pool has become increasingly "polluted" and mutations have occurred resulting in sickness in all three areas. ( Body Mind Spirit )
> > > Those mutations are called "evolution".
> Dear SL,
> As a minister of the Gospel, I too have studied "evolution" and found it severely lacking
> in explaining much.
> As the Pyscho Babble site demonstrates...the theory of evolution does not account for a number of things, including mankinds struggle with mental illness.
>
> I would rather place my trust in what thus saith the Lord
> "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"....
>
> I think you will find much better answers to any questions you might have about life, in the pages of the Bible....Science and the Bible are alot closer than you might think!Exactly.
What makes you think we haven't evolved since god put us on the earth?? Our environment has changed, we would have to change or die out, regardless of how perfect His design was.In fact, now that I think about it, He designed man for the garden of eden. Then later he said "go forth and multiply"...I don't remember any part of the bible with god saying "here let me give you a little tweaking before I send you out in the wide and varied world". Why would you think that evolution isn't gods fingers on us, helping his children survive???
Either way, this was not supposed to be a biblical debate. The point was that "mutations" have a bad rep and are honest to goodness the only way the human race advances biologically, at least until such time as genetic engineering becomes common. It may be slowed by modern medicine, but I assure you, in the long run evolution will win out.
When and where this process started, I don't care to debate it, the debate could go on for years. It certainly has in the academic community.sl
Posted by Ilene on June 8, 2004, at 20:48:39
In reply to Re: ALTERNATIVES TO RITALIN, posted by sl on June 7, 2004, at 10:33:47
> Exactly.
> What makes you think we haven't evolved since god put us on the earth?? Our environment has changed, we would have to change or die out, regardless of how perfect His design was.
>
> In fact, now that I think about it, He designed man for the garden of eden. Then later he said "go forth and multiply"...I don't remember any part of the bible with god saying "here let me give you a little tweaking before I send you out in the wide and varied world". Why would you think that evolution isn't gods fingers on us, helping his children survive???
>
> Either way, this was not supposed to be a biblical debate. The point was that "mutations" have a bad rep and are honest to goodness the only way the human race advances biologically, at least until such time as genetic engineering becomes common. It may be slowed by modern medicine, but I assure you, in the long run evolution will win out.
> When and where this process started, I don't care to debate it, the debate could go on for years. It certainly has in the academic community.
>
> slActually...the human race is not going to evolve very quickly, even on a geologic timescale, unless there is genetic death, meaning that all the people carrying a certain trait fail to leave offspring that survive. It's bound to be a slow process on an earth where most people reproduce successfully.
However, Gould's and Eldredge's theory of punctuated equilibrium posits a slow rate of genetic change punctuated by periods of rapid change. One can see how this might happen if a comet or asteroid were to strike the earth.
The academic community (or more specifically, research community) doesn't much bother with creationism. The debate is elsewhere.
I.
Posted by Buckeye Fan on June 9, 2004, at 7:05:08
In reply to Evolution, devolution, posted by Ilene on June 8, 2004, at 20:48:39
.."The academic community (or more specifically, research community) doesn't much bother with creationism. The debate is elsewhere."
You are right...they realy do not like discussing oe debating a topic that defies preconcieved notions.
Every Evolutionist to date I have taked with...cannot answer the one haunting question concerning Creative Intelligent Design.
Namely...how did "something" ( howbe it God, The Big Bang, Gases, etc....) come about...from nothingness? "Something"...does nor just suddenly
spring up, from "absolute nothing"...get what I mean?We are created complex beings. It stands to reason ans common sense that someone created us
that is more comlex than we...the creation.Absolute nothingness is a concept I have trouble
even beginning to understand.
But itmakes more sense that God created us for a purpose and a reason, and that this life is not all there is.Therefore...when dealing with emotional Illnesses
I feel we need to consider our creator, in whatever Meds we use, study..and recommend.Buckeye Fan
Posted by Ilene on June 9, 2004, at 9:30:06
In reply to Re: Evolution, devolution, posted by Buckeye Fan on June 9, 2004, at 7:05:08
> .."The academic community (or more specifically, research community) doesn't much bother with creationism. The debate is elsewhere."
>
> You are right...they realy do not like discussing oe debating a topic that defies preconcieved notions.
>The Bible predates Darwin by several centuries, so which notions are preconceived?
> Every Evolutionist to date I have taked with...cannot answer the one haunting question concerning Creative Intelligent Design.
>It's not their job.
> Namely...how did "something" ( howbe it God, The Big Bang, Gases, etc....) come about...from nothingness? "Something"...does nor just suddenly
> spring up, from "absolute nothing"...get what I mean?
In that case, the Bible holds no more answers than cosmology.>
> We are created complex beings. It stands to reason ans common sense that someone created us
> that is more comlex than we...the creation.
>It does?
> Absolute nothingness is a concept I have trouble
> even beginning to understand.
> But itmakes more sense that God created us for a purpose and a reason, and that this life is not all there is.
>It's more comfortable, but I don't think it makes more sense.
> Therefore...when dealing with emotional Illnesses
> I feel we need to consider our creator, in whatever Meds we use, study..and recommend.
>I'm not following you here. How does God affect psychopharmacology?
I.
Posted by Buckeye Fan on June 9, 2004, at 16:52:00
In reply to Re: Evolution, devolution » Buckeye Fan, posted by Ilene on June 9, 2004, at 9:30:06
Main Entry: psy·cho·phar·ma·col·o·gy
Function: noun
Date: 1920
: The study of the effect of drugs on the mind and behavior
*************************************************God is the Great Physician...he created us, and none of our medical problems are a surprise to Him.
At times in history he has healed many people
instantly.....usually though sickness plays an integral part of our life here on Earth, so He allows it...for now.Any true study of our mind, emotions and Meds we take...should include what the Ultimate Doctor has to say on the matter.
His Book is called the Bible...and it is his love letter to mankind.pj
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