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Posted by noa on April 12, 2003, at 15:28:43
In reply to Re: The other shoe (long) » noa, posted by fi on April 12, 2003, at 12:59:14
Thanks, fi! Put a smile on my face that you're feeling a bit better. Now, is that 2 days in a row?
Posted by noa on April 12, 2003, at 21:52:27
In reply to Re: The other shoe (long) » fi, posted by noa on April 12, 2003, at 15:28:43
It's eating at me again. I'm enraged and I don't know what to do about this. How can they do this? I wish I could just quit.
I realized that the boss lied to us in our meeting. We had gone in altogether and asked about the process and she said first our managers would decide whom to cut and then we'd be able to apply for any openings. But they lied. They cut my friend and then added the stupdity about their imagined time issue, and basically showed her the door. Then, in my meeting I find out they are hiring for another position for which she is definitely qualified and for which she expressed interest in that meeting we all had. I just don't understand how they can treat a good employee that way!! We know her work best because we work most closely with her. What are they doing? How can they be so evil?
FUCK THEM FUCK THEM FUCK THEM FUCK THEM FUCK THEM
Posted by mair on April 12, 2003, at 22:23:40
In reply to Re: It's eating at me again., posted by noa on April 12, 2003, at 21:52:27
Noa
The only way that this makes any sense is that there is something about your colleague that they didn't like, and it doesn't sound like the clock watching thing. My guess is that you'll not find out what it was, but it was compelling enough for them to want to show her the door. (Maybe they just had someone else they wanted to bring in, or maybe it was just a personality conflict).
Employers would always rather fire someone for cause than not. If they can fire them for cause, the employee isn't as eligible for unemployment, or at least the employers unemployment rating (which determines how much Un-E tax they pay) goes up. Here they were willing to use cutbacks as an excuse which allows her clear access to benefits. That tells me that they may just have really wanted to get rid of her for some reason.
It sucks, but it is their prerogative, like it or not, to assemble the team they think will work best regardless of how flawed you think their judgment is, and if you blow them off, it's a moral victory at best - you've not done anything to help your colleague. Maybe if you stick around you might be able to effect some positive changes in the way management views staff. At worst, you've bought yourself some time to shop around for another job.
Mair
Posted by noa on April 13, 2003, at 11:54:12
In reply to Re: It's eating at me again. » noa, posted by mair on April 12, 2003, at 22:23:40
Yeah, that's the grown up way to look at it, MAIR.
But I still think their judgment was based on a smear campaign by some of the weasels who operate on personality and not on professionalism, and who gave the upper managers some really bad impression of her that is totally inacurate!! I and the other colleague know her work best because we are a team, working together every day!
I know you are wise in your advice, and I can't just go without a job, but I'm looking. I might just accept the job and then give them my pov in as articulate a manner as I can muster up. Then, if they want to fire me for telling them the truth, so be it.
Posted by fi on April 13, 2003, at 12:45:17
In reply to Re: The other shoe (long) » fi, posted by noa on April 12, 2003, at 15:28:43
Posted by noa on April 13, 2003, at 13:30:44
In reply to Make that 3! Thanks : ) (nm) » noa, posted by fi on April 13, 2003, at 12:45:17
Enjoy!
Posted by WorryGirl on April 13, 2003, at 16:20:20
In reply to Re: It's eating at me again., posted by noa on April 13, 2003, at 11:54:12
> Yeah, that's the grown up way to look at it, MAIR.
>
> But I still think their judgment was based on a smear campaign by some of the weasels who operate on personality and not on professionalism, and who gave the upper managers some really bad impression of her that is totally inacurate!! I and the other colleague know her work best because we are a team, working together every day!
>
> I know you are wise in your advice, and I can't just go without a job, but I'm looking. I might just accept the job and then give them my pov in as articulate a manner as I can muster up. Then, if they want to fire me for telling them the truth, so be it.It's unfortunate that some companies are this way, and so frustrating. That is the biggest reason why I am glad I left the office rat race (unless necessity requires me to return).
Personality ALWAYS got in the way. Why is it that the real producers out there either get taken advantage of and overworked or are just plain not liked (either resented or made fun of)?
I don't know what else to say except that I hope this job situation works out in the best possible way for you.
To me it sounds like you are making good decisions and are handling everything as well as you possibly can.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2003, at 17:11:31
In reply to Re: The other shoe (long), posted by noa on April 10, 2003, at 18:50:21
> F*CK THEM! THere--does that address it better?
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't use language that could offend them, thanks.
> I might get a PBC*...
>
> *(It might be a first for me, I don't know! Hey, if it is my first, does that make me a PBC virgin?)You don't even know if it's your first time? :-)
Bob
Posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 17:48:41
In reply to Re: please be civil » noa, posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2003, at 17:11:31
Posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 18:25:49
In reply to Re: please be civil » noa, posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2003, at 17:11:31
>You don't even know if it's your first time? :-)
I really don't. Do you?
Posted by Greg on April 14, 2003, at 18:48:49
In reply to Re: please be civil--PS » Dr. Bob, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 18:25:49
> >You don't even know if it's your first time? :-)
>
> I really don't. Do you?Oh Noa, your squeaky clean reputation has been tarnished. What IS this world coming to??? :)
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 15, 2003, at 17:44:53
In reply to Re: please be civil--PS » Dr. Bob, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 18:25:49
> >You don't even know if it's your first time? :-)
>
> I really don't. Do you?AFAIK, yes, it was your first.
Bob
Posted by judy1 on April 16, 2003, at 9:57:24
In reply to Re: please be civil--PS » Dr. Bob, posted by noa on April 14, 2003, at 18:25:49
actually, i kind of got one from Dinah when Dr.B was on vacation, but it was so politely worded I'm still not sure I'm a virgin- sad isn't it? take care, judy
Posted by leeran on April 16, 2003, at 10:42:32
In reply to another virgin:-) » noa, posted by judy1 on April 16, 2003, at 9:57:24
"but it was so politely worded I'm still not sure I'm a virgin - sad isn't it?"
Judy1, I think it sounds like you were just gently deflowered :)
Posted by Kar on April 16, 2003, at 11:04:05
In reply to Re: another virgin:-) » judy1, posted by leeran on April 16, 2003, at 10:42:32
Hmmm, "gently deflowered"...if he was any good you'd definitely remember it...
ouch did I say that?
yup
>
> Judy1, I think it sounds like you were just gently deflowered :)
Posted by Dinah on April 16, 2003, at 15:34:42
In reply to another virgin:-) » noa, posted by judy1 on April 16, 2003, at 9:57:24
I think your virginity is still intact, Judy. I'm pretty sure that was just a gentle reminder. :)
Posted by Greg on April 16, 2003, at 17:19:03
In reply to another virgin:-) » noa, posted by judy1 on April 16, 2003, at 9:57:24
> actually, i kind of got one from Dinah when Dr.B was on vacation, but it was so politely worded I'm still not sure I'm a virgin- sad isn't it? take care, judy
Oh Judy...not you too! My whole belief system is coming apart at the seams :)
Speaking of which, how is our little babblette? Doing well I hope?
Greg
Posted by noa on April 16, 2003, at 21:07:55
In reply to Re: another virgin:-) » judy1, posted by Greg on April 16, 2003, at 17:19:03
Judy, you are too funny!
And ditto on the babblette question--I bet she is babbling a lot by now, no?
Posted by yourshadowself on April 16, 2003, at 21:53:05
In reply to Re: another virgin:-), posted by noa on April 16, 2003, at 21:07:55
im sorry but i have been trying to follow this post and i am just so LOST!
WHO is a virgin!? How come dr bob and everyone else knows and you dont!?
I AM SO CONFUSED!
someone please spell this out for me!
thanks,
shadow
Posted by shar on April 16, 2003, at 23:16:32
In reply to Re: please be civil--PS » noa, posted by Greg on April 14, 2003, at 18:48:49
Never in this world did I dream you'd get a PBC!!! I'm still in shock. I'm speechless!!
Good for you!
Shar
Posted by Dinah on April 17, 2003, at 3:48:20
In reply to I AM SO CONFUSED!, posted by yourshadowself on April 16, 2003, at 21:53:05
Hi Shadow.
Noa and Judy were referring to Please Be Civil warnings (PBC's) given by Dr. Bob. :)
Posted by noa on April 17, 2003, at 13:18:13
In reply to I AM SO CONFUSED!, posted by yourshadowself on April 16, 2003, at 21:53:05
YSS,
It started with a joke--at this post:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030407/msgs/218333.html
where I wrote:
>>I might get a PBC*- but there was nothing more appropriate to say, was there?
>>*(It might be a first for me, I don't know! Hey, if it is my first, does that make me a PBC virgin?)
Posted by noa on April 17, 2003, at 13:19:24
In reply to OMG Noa!, posted by shar on April 16, 2003, at 23:16:32
Such is how pissed off I am about this work thing, Shar! There is a time for everything.
Posted by judy1 on April 18, 2003, at 9:32:32
In reply to Re: another virgin:-) » judy1, posted by leeran on April 16, 2003, at 10:42:32
Posted by judy1 on April 18, 2003, at 9:33:28
In reply to Re: another virgin:-) » judy1, posted by Dinah on April 16, 2003, at 15:34:42
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