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Posted by BeardedLady on October 17, 2002, at 17:58:10
In reply to Re: Bali... and insensitive replies » Rach, posted by IsoM on October 17, 2002, at 17:34:41
I must have missed something. The message was "is nowhere safe?" My comment was based on the fact that nowhere IS safe! And yes, Bali was attacked, but my thoughts of safety are a little closer, due to the recent events.
I don't think there was a single insensitive post on this topic, Iso. They were all incredibly sensitive.
beardy
Posted by BeardedLady on October 17, 2002, at 17:58:45
In reply to Re: Hey, try living near D.C.!, posted by Mashogr8 on October 16, 2002, at 15:23:31
Posted by IsoM on October 17, 2002, at 18:02:18
In reply to insensitive replies » IsoM, posted by BeardedLady on October 17, 2002, at 17:58:10
I'm not really sure what it was, but something triggered Rach. Just 'cause it's really hard to hurt or insult me, doesn't mean others aren't affected.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20020724/msgs/707.htmlI didn't take any comment to be insensitve either, all were good answers, I thought, but if my post hurt Rach, I don't mind apologizing.
Posted by BeardedLady on October 17, 2002, at 18:05:03
In reply to Re: insensitive replies » BeardedLady, posted by IsoM on October 17, 2002, at 18:02:18
I saw that post, but "narrow-minded bigots"? Where?
beardy
Posted by IsoM on October 17, 2002, at 18:07:42
In reply to apologize away! » IsoM, posted by BeardedLady on October 17, 2002, at 18:05:03
Posted by tina on October 18, 2002, at 23:29:19
In reply to apologize away! » IsoM, posted by BeardedLady on October 17, 2002, at 18:05:03
I think the phrase "try living in DC" might have upset her a bit. Taken with a certain tone added to it, might sound a little invalidating and insensitive. It's like someone telling you "your life is good, how could you have any problems?" Just a "maybe, might, could be" kind of thought. Don't beat me up for it ok?
Posted by Rach on October 19, 2002, at 3:46:33
In reply to Re: Hey, try living near D.C.! » Mashogr8, posted by BeardedLady on October 16, 2002, at 18:59:05
Thank you for apologising, Iso, but there was no need. It wasn;t your post that I took offence to . But thank you for apologising, because it forced me to go back and reread all the posts.
That made me realise I completely overreacted and misread into things.
So I am very sorry to everyone for being exceptionally rude and that it is perhaps my own bigotry that came to light.
I also want to let everyone know that I wish you all and your loved ones safety and hope.
I'm sorry again.
Posted by BeardedLady on October 19, 2002, at 6:08:08
In reply to Re: apologize away! » BeardedLady, posted by tina on October 18, 2002, at 23:29:19
The question was "is nowhere safe?" I was seconding that! And thirding and forthing it! I was thinking, "Bali is pretty far away; I wish that were ALL we had to worry about. Instead, even our own homes aren't safe."
No beating up. But, as I've said countless other times, this place is difficult without a tape recording of our voices saying the words. How can we ever know what we're saying will be taken wrong by someone else?
beardy
Posted by BeardedLady on October 19, 2002, at 16:28:57
In reply to Sorry guys..., posted by Rach on October 19, 2002, at 3:46:33
> It wasn;t your post that I took offence to .
Rach, did you know about the sniper yet when I had posted?
> I'm sorry again.I'm sorry, too. I wonder how that would have sounded to a person who hadn't heard about the sniper. See, all of our television shows have been preempted by full-day coverage of semi-literate reporters with nothing new to say going back and forth from here to Rockville. I guess I took it for granted that everyone knew we were suffering from our own special kind of terrorism here.
beardy
Posted by Rach on October 20, 2002, at 2:19:27
In reply to Re: Sorry guys... » Rach, posted by BeardedLady on October 19, 2002, at 16:28:57
Yeah, I had heard of the sniper, but being Australian, Bali was foremost in my mind when I posted. Over here we are also having daily coverage, but of Bali (every normal news bulletin also gives "updates" of the sniper, but it is hard to update with no new information).
My post was not just about Bali, but the world in general including the sniper. I was going to mention everything I was talking about in my post, but the list of awful things happening was never ending, so I gave up.
Bali has hit so hard for Australians because it is THE holiday spot. The reason it is so popular is because Australians are welcomed, cared for, and extremely safe there. You expect a certain degree of crime in your daily life, but for something like that to happen whilst people are at their most vulnerable - on holiday, relaxing and carefree... I have awful images in my mind of people wearing sarongs being blown up.
Posted by IsoM on October 20, 2002, at 2:27:07
In reply to Sorry guys..., posted by Rach on October 19, 2002, at 3:46:33
I'm glad I did apologise, even if it wasn't my post that had triggered you. It got you back to reread the posts & know that no one was being unkind. Don't feel bad about taking some the wrong way - we're only human & liable to misinterpret others when we're having a bad time. The fact you were good enough to let us know shows a lot of goodness, understanding, & humility in you. Don't fret it, Rach.
Posted by shar on October 20, 2002, at 3:30:03
In reply to Re: apologize away! » BeardedLady, posted by tina on October 18, 2002, at 23:29:19
Posted by BeardedLady on October 20, 2002, at 6:52:48
In reply to That's what I (quote)heard(quote), too (nm) » tina, posted by shar on October 20, 2002, at 3:30:03
Posted by shar on October 20, 2002, at 21:03:29
In reply to I must have esp; I (quote) knew (quote) that! (nm) » shar, posted by BeardedLady on October 20, 2002, at 6:52:48
Posted by Phil on October 20, 2002, at 21:40:57
In reply to U R (quote)special(quote), Beardy!! (nm), posted by shar on October 20, 2002, at 21:03:29
Posted by Jackster on October 21, 2002, at 4:51:26
In reply to Beardy..., posted by Rach on October 20, 2002, at 2:19:27
Hi Rachel
I live in NZ so I understand what you mean. Up until what happened in Bali - these shocking events seemed to only happen on the other side of the world. We seemed esp. comforted by the fact that no one ever takes any notice of NZ. (Except for rugby). And then 'Sept 11' happened for Australia. As many Australians per capita lost as Americans in the World Trade centre. Suddenly we're not so safe at this end of the world. NZ is mourning for Australia - our hearts go out to you across the Tasman.
Jackie
> Yeah, I had heard of the sniper, but being Australian, Bali was foremost in my mind when I posted. Over here we are also having daily coverage, but of Bali (every normal news bulletin also gives "updates" of the sniper, but it is hard to update with no new information).
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> My post was not just about Bali, but the world in general including the sniper. I was going to mention everything I was talking about in my post, but the list of awful things happening was never ending, so I gave up.
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> Bali has hit so hard for Australians because it is THE holiday spot. The reason it is so popular is because Australians are welcomed, cared for, and extremely safe there. You expect a certain degree of crime in your daily life, but for something like that to happen whilst people are at their most vulnerable - on holiday, relaxing and carefree... I have awful images in my mind of people wearing sarongs being blown up.
Posted by Jackster on October 21, 2002, at 5:24:25
In reply to Re: Beardy..., posted by Jackster on October 21, 2002, at 4:51:26
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Posted by IsoM on October 21, 2002, at 15:49:33
In reply to Beardy..., posted by Rach on October 20, 2002, at 2:19:27
I heard what one woman from Australia had to say about the bombing & understand how you feel. For Australians who know the world isn't safe, they still felt that Bali was safe. I know from before (I love Bali) that Bali was multicultural, multireligions, very accepting & laid-back. It showed a sweet, gentle view of what many diff peoples living together could be like. For a place so remotely connected with violence & hatred, to have 3 bombs go off like that is unthinkable. I just heard on the news that somewhere in Australia has been bombed now. I'm going back to check it out. My sympathies to you, Rach.
Posted by BeardedLady on October 21, 2002, at 19:38:24
In reply to Re: Bali and Australia » Rach, posted by IsoM on October 21, 2002, at 15:49:33
Yes, I heard about Australia today. It's funny, but I always think of that as a neutral zone. It's so unusual to hear about any kind of war there.
I hope you are far from the turmoil, Rach.
beardy
Posted by Rach on October 21, 2002, at 20:03:39
In reply to Re: Beardy..., posted by Jackster on October 21, 2002, at 4:51:26
Posted by Rach on October 21, 2002, at 20:11:02
In reply to Australia, for Rach, posted by BeardedLady on October 21, 2002, at 19:38:24
Or maybe its just my world.
There was a shooting at my University yesterday. 2 people dead, 5 critically injured. I wasn't there, but my friends were kept locked in the dining room whilst this man with 5 hand guns shot into a classroom.
Two very brave men tackled the shooter and prevented anymore deaths. They're saying its an isolated event.
And we're the ones who are supposedly insane...
I'm not sure about Australia being bombed, I haven't heard anything about it. Maybe the news teams got their wires crossed and were talking about the shooting? Or maybe my news didn't cover it because of the shooting.
Thank you all for your support and care and concern. I really do appreciate it, particularly because you are still offering it after I had my hissy fit.
xxx
Posted by Robin David John on October 21, 2002, at 22:17:10
In reply to ^^^^^^^^^^Smart Chick Humor^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (nm) » shar, posted by Phil on October 20, 2002, at 21:40:57
Getting bored Shar ..doing great myself /\/\/\/\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/climbing mountains again..How are you doing ??? Thanks for your past encouragement..Those are little mountains ...get big girl go Big
Robin
Posted by BeardedLady on October 22, 2002, at 6:44:47
In reply to The world is imploding..., posted by Rach on October 21, 2002, at 20:11:02
Right, that's what I heard on NPR yesterday morning. I'm so sorry. It must be frightening.
There was another shooting an hour from here this morning. And there have been threats against some school systems in Virginia, so the kids there are all home.
This world and these crimes are getting scarier and more tiresome.
As for whether nowhere's safe, it wouldn't be as rewarding to be nowhere. But sometimes we all wish we could go there for a short rest.
My thoughts are with you.
beardy
Posted by Alara on October 24, 2002, at 20:32:23
In reply to Re: The world is imploding... » Rach, posted by BeardedLady on October 22, 2002, at 6:44:47
The recent Bali bombings have left many of us in deep shock here in Australia. We shed tears with America after the bombing of the World Trade Centre and now it is Australia's turn to mourn for their own fellow countrymen.
Last week, our mental health resources were stretched to the limit. It seems that the terrorists got exactly what they wanted. When they bombed the World Trade Centre, they didn't just take away a few thousand lives. They used their biggest weapon, FEAR, to attack the happiness and sanity of millions of Americans. Now they have done the same to Australians because we, too, have chosen to stand up and fight against their cruelty.
We can't let them do this to us. We can't let them use fear to ruin our lives. So many Australians feel that life in this country will never be the same again, and I know that there are people all over the world who feel the same.
This has all been said before, but I really believe that we need to pull together within our communities (even internet communities) rebuild one another's confidence and self-esteem. If we preserve our mental health then we've won half the battle. It will make us better allies and we will fight a better war.
Posted by Dinah on October 25, 2002, at 1:35:56
In reply to Terrorism on all Accounts, posted by Alara on October 24, 2002, at 20:32:23
My deepest sympathies are with those of you in Australia. Both for the loss of your countrymen and for the loss of your sense of safety. It's amazing how deeply an event like that can make us feel vulnerable in so many areas of our lives.
Dinah
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