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Posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
Just say it will stop. It can't keep going can it? I can't tak eit
Posted by BeardedLady on September 13, 2002, at 16:45:45
In reply to tell me it will stop, posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
That depends on what IT is. If you are speaking of pain and anguish, that WILL stop eventually. It can stop by good therapy and excellent meds and a strong resolve.
If you are speaking of PBA, that too will probably stop, as nothing lasts forever (except "CATS").
If you are speaking of time, well, that won't stop. Though if you believe that a tree falling in the forest without anyone to bear witness doesn't make a sound (and I would agree with you there, because reality only becomes so when one experiences it and gives it meaning), then time will stop when you do.
But let's see if we can help you. What do you need?
beardy
Posted by Phil on September 13, 2002, at 16:56:09
In reply to tell me it will stop, posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
Relax...take some deep breaths. Let your shoulders relax. Find two pillows and a baseball bat. Beat pillows to shreds, you may have an old tv somewhere, break the picture tube.
While you're doing this scream profanities at the top of your lungs. (Kids can't be at home and it's advised to soundproof some.)
Repeat loud no's through the profanities and say things like, "There's no way in blip that you'll blip my blip bliping blip." Tell the disease to f--- off and you are coming to kick it's ass.
It tried, it lost. You'll find a way to kill it and your search continues tomorrow. It's just a matter of time. I know where I am and who I am and no ##%$&&**#*%id going to beat me.
If you run out of things at home to break, drive to the local junkyard, hopefully you still have the bat, now, break everything(owner must approve and you shouldn't break the law.) Whack-whack-whack!!!!!
Please update us on your condition tomorrow. I might not reply for a while. I've got a new Reggie Jackson bat and a junkyard to kill.
Oh medic!!Phil
Posted by Phil on September 13, 2002, at 17:00:51
In reply to Re: tell me it will stop » tina, posted by BeardedLady on September 13, 2002, at 16:45:45
After I posted my post, I read yours.
Girl, you can put words together. That's very cool.
That's one helluva post. Thanks.....
Posted by nikioct73 on September 13, 2002, at 18:55:34
In reply to tell me it will stop, posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
((((Tina))))..
I have no heard anything from you in a while ..I just wanted you to know I was worried...I really don't know what to say or how I could help you but I'm glad to see you are hanging in...yes life does suck the big one seemingly most of the time...not too cheery I know but hey at least I'm real...I just hope you find your groove and can deal with it more effectively...I am rooting for you and if you need to just spill it all out I'll listen...because I care..
I can't tell you it will stop ..I wish I could ..i can tell you there is help and relief for those who seek it...
Niki
Posted by Ted on September 14, 2002, at 0:32:20
In reply to tell me it will stop, posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
Hi Tina,
> Just say it will stop. It can't keep going can it? I can't tak eit
Well, I have bipolar, so I *know* it will stop eventually. Once it stops, instead of "the pit" I'm flying around.
Don't worry, it *will* stop eventually. Beardy said so, and you can trust her.
BTW, I have been in the pit lately and I looked around but I didn't see you anywhere. You must be finding your way out already. Just give it some time.
Ted
Posted by Roo on September 14, 2002, at 9:26:12
In reply to Re: tell me it will stop, posted by Ted on September 14, 2002, at 0:32:20
Tina...how long has it been now? Was there a trigger
(relationship, job, med change??)...
Posted by Dinah on September 14, 2002, at 10:15:39
In reply to tell me it will stop, posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
I guess this may be the wrong time for me to answer this, Tina. I *know* it will pass, but I don't *feel* it will pass.
If it helps any, my therapist says the trick at times like these is to shorten your field of vision. Don't look inot the future filled with days like this. Just look at this day, and what you need to do to get through it.
Dinah
Posted by Dinah on September 14, 2002, at 10:19:50
In reply to Re: tell me it will stop, posted by Ted on September 14, 2002, at 0:32:20
> BTW, I have been in the pit lately and I looked around but I didn't see you anywhere. You must be finding your way out already. Just give it some time.
>
> Ted
>
>I've been there the last few days myself and haven't seen you or Tina either. Maybe it's too dark in there for us to see each other. But if we keep calling out to each other, maybe we'll find a feeling of companionship.
(Although it's hard to call out at times like this. Composing a post seems like a huge challenge, and I just want to curl around my stomach, where most of these feelings reside.)
Ted, is it that meds change do you think?
Dinah
Posted by Ted on September 14, 2002, at 10:52:01
In reply to Re: tell me it will stop » Ted, posted by Dinah on September 14, 2002, at 10:19:50
> I've been there the last few days myself and
>haven't seen you or Tina either. Maybe it's too
>dark in there for us to see each other.Yeah, it's too gark to see anything, but I did feel you groping around in the blackness. :-)
> Ted, is it that meds change do you think?
That's about 50% or so. Also other problems that just won't go away. I have a pdoc appt on monday. I'll give in and ask for ADs again.
Ted
Posted by Dinah on September 14, 2002, at 10:57:26
In reply to Re: tell me it will stop » Dinah, posted by Ted on September 14, 2002, at 10:52:01
>
> Yeah, it's too gark to see anything, but I did feel you groping around in the blackness. :-)
>
Chuckle. I knew I could trust you to take the dark pit of depression and find sex in there somewhere. :)
> > Ted, is it that meds change do you think?
>
> That's about 50% or so. Also other problems that just won't go away. I have a pdoc appt on monday. I'll give in and ask for ADs again.
>
> Ted
>I know what you mean. I'll give the office a few more weeks and try to make some changes, but if I can't take it there, I might have to go back on low dose Luvox. I need the money, I'm afraid. But there is just too much too-muchness at the office. I can't handle it.
Dinah
Posted by Dinah on September 14, 2002, at 10:58:14
In reply to Re: tell me it will stop, posted by Dinah on September 14, 2002, at 10:57:26
Posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 19:36:14
In reply to tell me it will stop, posted by tina on September 13, 2002, at 15:39:17
Tina:
We're all concerned about you. Please check in so that no one gets nervous. And remember that you have had good times before, and you will have them again. Everything with a beginning has an end. We are lucky in that there are many options in ends, and sometimes we even get to influence those ends.
I hope the end is happy for you, which means you are strong, healthy, and in a good mental state again. Again.
beardy
Posted by Kath on September 15, 2002, at 12:45:53
In reply to Re: Beardy...wow., posted by Phil on September 13, 2002, at 17:00:51
Great advice & great sense of humour, Phil
K
Posted by Kath on September 15, 2002, at 12:47:50
In reply to Has IT stopped? » tina, posted by BeardedLady on September 14, 2002, at 19:36:14
Heard from Tina at another group. I hope she won't mind if I let you know that I feel she is safe. (Not happy or comfortable, perhaps, but safe.)
Kath
> Tina:
>
> We're all concerned about you. Please check in so that no one gets nervous. And remember that you have had good times before, and you will have them again. Everything with a beginning has an end. We are lucky in that there are many options in ends, and sometimes we even get to influence those ends.
>
> I hope the end is happy for you, which means you are strong, healthy, and in a good mental state again. Again.
>
> beardy
Posted by tina on September 16, 2002, at 9:00:56
In reply to Re: Has IT stopped?, posted by Kath on September 15, 2002, at 12:47:50
slowed down but I still feel like everything around me is 'buzzing' and 'trembling'
or is it me that's buzzing and trembling? I don't know anymore.
thanks for the advice and concern. I really appreciate it all. I think I'll take Phil's though. I'm a 'damage' kind of person. Hitting sounds good.
thanks all
tina
Posted by Dinah on September 16, 2002, at 20:32:03
In reply to Re: Has IT stopped?, posted by tina on September 16, 2002, at 9:00:56
It sounds awful, Tina. Do you have a tendency to have agitated hypomanias? Those are the worst. The words you're using to describe how you feel remind me of me during one.
I'm glad things are slowing down a bit at least.
Take care,
Dinah
Posted by tina on September 17, 2002, at 9:59:10
In reply to Re: Has IT stopped? » tina, posted by Dinah on September 16, 2002, at 20:32:03
Please explain "aggravated hypomania" I've never heard that term before Dinah. It sounds accurate though.
thanks
tina
Posted by Dinah on September 17, 2002, at 16:37:21
In reply to Re: Has IT stopped? » Dinah, posted by tina on September 17, 2002, at 9:59:10
Agitated hypomania is the way I describe the bad hypomanias. Here is a better description than I can give. It's from the following source.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/support/depression/bipolar-faq/part1/
3.5 What is the difference between euphoria and dysphoria? ------------------------------------------------------------ There are two basic types of mania (or hypomania): euphoric and dysphoric. A person can experience both types when they have bipolar disorder. In euphoria, a person is high, in love with the world, one with the world, feeling boundless energy, talking a mile a minute, mind is racing, deluded with grandiose thoughts, etc. This kind of mania is generally the kind described in the popular literature. Dysphoria is another type of mania. In dysphoria one is "high" but in a different sense: agitated, destructive, full of rage, talking a mile a minute, mind racing, deluded with grandiose thoughts, paranoid, full of anxiety, panic-stricken. In addition, dysphoria can also come into the depressive side. These are often referred to as "mixed episodes." Mixed episodes are quite dangerous; suicidal ideation often accompanies this state. What's the difference between agitated depression and dysphoric (hypo)mania? Dr. Ivan Goldberg (psydoc@netcom.com) explains: "While folks in an agitated depression show increased motor activity, they never show increased sociability, increased creative thinking, joking and punning that may be seen in someone experiencing a dysphoric (hypo)manic state."
I'm not absolutely certain whether I am referring to agitated depression or dysphoric hypomania. I do know I don't sleep much. And of all my moods, I think that one is the worst.
Dinah
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