Psycho-Babble Social Thread 18375

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Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Alan

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 17:53:57

[Posted by Alan on February 15, 2002, at 0:54:41

In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020208/msgs/94189.html]

> Yvonne Day is also involved with various anti-benzodiazepine (and anti-psychiatric medication) groups such as http://www.benzo.org.uk. This doesn't invalidate anything she says (or anything on the website), but it's important to know all the facts. Although a lot of their advice may be helpful, I feel that they tend to exaggerate and rely on scare tactics.
> *******************************************
>
> Here we go again with the anti-benzo zealots and their scare tactics. These strident minority groups which are mainly political and moralistic (rather than medical) in nature, using hyperbole, half-truths and innuendo are ones to be watched out for.
>
> The constant usage of the term "addiction" as a pejorative when the term "medical dependence" is more appropriate for BZD usage isn't even on their radar screen. "Detox" is their battle cry calling BZD's neurotoxins and treating patients as if they are illicit drug users and lumping them in with poly drug abusers taking heroin and cocaine - even claiming falsely that tapering BZD's is the same "hell" as detoxing from these narcotics...and that after stopping BZD's the original anxiety is 10X's (or is that 100X's? - keeps changing) worse than before.
>
> They have influenced NHS policy in the UK, Canada, and Australia to the anxiety suffer's detriment by taking the freedom of choice away from the patient/doctor relationship to use what they know works.
>
> It is an insideous problem that needs to be addressed head on. They scare people needlessly stigmatising the use of these meds and provoking guilt about taking them from the anxiety sufferer that is being helped by them in the first place and those considering taking a med that could easily turn their life around for the better.
>
> They are well known in the community of pdocs that specalise in the treatment of chronic anxiety disorders and are referred to in cult-like status.
>
> There is so little understanding of these meds by many modern day pdocs that it takes a great stroke of luck or heavy duty searching to find one that is well educated about them to not cause more harm by witholding BZD's as a last resort instead of giving the patient freedom of choice to try them on equal footing with the ssri's.
>
> On top of that there's a tremendous push by the pharms. to have as many docs as possible give the most medicine as possibe from the ssri catagory to recover R&D investment and to claim no withdrawl efffect (like the BZD's do, they imply). Coming to find out that ALL meds have withdrawl effects that must be moderated by slow withdrawl including the antiepileptics, antihypertensives, ssri's etc, etc.
>
> One of the biggest frauds going on in psychiatric medicine today - the trashing of BZD's and similar.
>
> Alan

 

Re: Yvonne Day « Squiggles

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 18:01:23

In reply to Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Alan, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 17:53:57

[Posted by Squiggles on February 15, 2002, at 8:35:27]

> > Yvonne Day is also involved with various anti-benzodiazepine (and anti-psychiatric medication) groups such as http://www.benzo.org.uk. This doesn't invalidate anything she says (or anything on the website), but it's important to know all the facts. Although a lot of their advice may be helpful, I feel that they tend to exaggerate and rely on scare tactics.
> >
> > > There is a whole group that will help you witdraw from ambian. I have withdrawn from a benzodiazepine and your withdral is supposed to be no worse than that. IfI can do it, you ca do it also. Contact Yvonne Day in Columbus , Ohio. She will tell you how yo can withdraw.
> > > Lou
>
>
> I worked with that group for a couple of years;
> I assisted with the FAQ authored by David Woolfe
> and helped Ray Nimmo with the symptom list and research
> on URL sites.
>
> I left because I had profound disagreement over
> the issue of reinstatement; the lack of context
> in which a person's medical condition was taken,
> and also, because I think the group is guided by
> ideological or religious goals, outside the realm
> of medical common sense.
>
> Squiggles

 

Re: Yvonne Day « Alan

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 18:02:28

In reply to Re: Yvonne Day « Squiggles, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 18:01:23

[Posted by Alan on February 15, 2002, at 8:41:48]

> Well, there you have it....first hand.
>
> Removing *context* from thinking about anything inspires, or at least is a clear path to zealotry.
>
> Alan

 

Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Squiggles

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 18:04:36

In reply to Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Alan, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 17:53:57

[Posted by Squiggles on February 15, 2002, at 9:30:58]

> Alan,
>
> This is a thick and loaded issue - i don't
> wish to cover every single angle or get into
> a fight; I will tell you honestly and report
> my own experience - that Xanax at least is
> "addictive" or if you like "medically habituating",
> or whatever term you prefer - the fact remains,
> that if you keep taking the same dose for many years,
> you reach a point where it is no longer as potent.
> For me, at that point, that is when the panic
> attacks started and continued. But more importantly,
> it was upon cessation of Xanax (assisted by medical
> staff at the McGill Univesity Health Hospitals),
> that I no longer had panic attacks. There is no
> doubt in my mind that tolerance had been reached
> on this drug and that was the cause of panic attacks.
> This by the way, is not something I experienced
> with Klonopin - though the severity of withdrawals cannot
> be believed unless experienced or observed by
> a doctor.
>
> As for withdrawal, I don't think there is any
> exaggeration whatsoever in what the Benzo group
> describes, regardless of their ideology or even
> their possible cult status (which btw I do not
> know that it can truthfully be applied to every
> member and segment of that large group).
>
> Squiggles

 

Re: We must hear from Dona « Squiggles

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 18:18:25

In reply to Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Alan, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 17:53:57

[Posted by Squiggles on February 15, 2002, at 11:31:05

In reply to http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020215/msgs/94251.html]

> > > > Cam and others.
> > > > Ambien is classified as a scehdual IV drug by the federal government.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Lou - So? I do not believe that under the definition of a Schedule IV Drug you will find the words "evil" or "do not use".
> > >
> > > Also, if you are going to advise on how to withdraw from any drug, please give them the facts on the approved methods of weaning from a substance, not just the anti-drug rhetoric of those with personal agendas. Preferably, advise should be offered to those who ask for it, rather than being given in an unsolicited manner.
> > >
> > > - Cam
> >
> > Cam and others;
> > It appears that Dona was asking for advise from people on this board, for she "didn't want to go into a treatment center" and she didn't want more Ambien in the mail. Now I am responding to that plea from a destressed person just like I would repond to a destess from a boat that was looking for direction out of a lost posistion. For why else would Dona write to the people on this board? Now it moves me to try to help Dona and not ignore her SOS. I know of a harbor that she can reach. It is chaired by Yvonne Day. The group helps people find their way out of the addiction to drugs like Ambien. For those of you that wish to defame her, call her yourself in Columbus, Ohio and talk with her. I did and I have referred people to her group and they have had their addiction released. There are some people that believe that they should stay on a drug untill death. There are others that believe that you can go "on and off" a drug. They should not call her for they help people to withdraw permenatly.
> > Lou
>
>
>
> Well Lou,
>
> Maybe I just lucked out on compassion, but after
> donating time and money to this group, there came
> a point when I had a stroke/seizure episode from
> withdrawal. If it were not for my husband's good
> sense to reinstate me on the dose, I would have
> followed (at least someone noticed) one of the leader's
> advice to keep going through the head stroke, and
> not be so weak. So much for compassion.
>
> Squiggles

 

Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Zo

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 20, 2002, at 20:53:37

In reply to Re: the anti BZD zealotry factor. « Alan, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 17:53:57

[Posted by Zo on February 20, 2002, at 1:05:08]

> Yeah, what is up with that? Why benzos? I have been falling asleep, thank god, with a smidgen every night for like 15 years, probably always will. . and have never required "more." Jeez, I feel lucky they exist. Is this the same as the anti-pain med factor?
>
> I do think people *wildly* misunderstand the usage and purpose of these and other meds.
>
> Zo

 

Re: I Heart Benzos (nm)

Posted by Zo on February 22, 2002, at 1:08:09

In reply to Re: We must hear from Dona « Squiggles, posted by Dr. Bob on February 15, 2002, at 18:18:25


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