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Posted by Gracie2 on October 20, 2001, at 22:45:02
I have been sober for nearly 2 years and pretty responsible with the pills, but I blew all that last night. I feel like a total failure. Went to a friend of mine (also in the med field) and asked if she had anything for a terrible hangover. She gave me a handful of new pills called Ultracet, and I almost began to weep. Ultracet is acetaminophen and tramadol,
(Ultram), a drug that I've been abusing on and off for years, (my friend doesn't know this) and although I've been clean for a couple of months now, I could not make myself return the pills to her because I just felt so awful. Now I just feel guilty and angry for being so weak.
Hangover or not, I usually feel less than wonderful most of the time. It's no wonder - I'm sure my poor body is saturated with toxins.
A couple of weeks ago I was at the bookstore and found a book with a regimen of food, vitamins and herbs designed exclusively for the detoxification of alcoholics and addicts. I didn't have enough money to buy the book and couldn't find it when I returned to the bookstore later. I know I should have asked a salesperson, but I couldn't bring myself to approach her and say, "I need that book for junkies and drunks!"
And of course, I don't remember the name of the author or title of the book. Sometimes I'm in a complete fog.If someone should run into said book, I would be ever so greatful if you wrote down the name for me. I feel a real need to do penance for my latest relapse.
Thanks again-
Gracie
Posted by jay on October 21, 2001, at 4:05:18
In reply to Relapse - looking for book, posted by Gracie2 on October 20, 2001, at 22:45:02
Gracie:
What meds are you on? I take Tylenol #3 regularly for not only sinusitis pain, but it also helps my mood once in awhile. I take Effexor every day as well as Clonazepam, as I have for 5 years. I am dependent, but not addicted in the true defenition of the word.
I don't know about vitamins and herbs for detox. Vitamin B2 and Milk Thistle are of (little) use in this area, but little science exists to back it up. (Vit B2 in alcoholics helps with their depletion, not that it helps detox.)
That's all I can really say.Best,
Jay
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> I have been sober for nearly 2 years and pretty responsible with the pills, but I blew all that last night. I feel like a total failure. Went to a friend of mine (also in the med field) and asked if she had anything for a terrible hangover. She gave me a handful of new pills called Ultracet, and I almost began to weep. Ultracet is acetaminophen and tramadol,
> (Ultram), a drug that I've been abusing on and off for years, (my friend doesn't know this) and although I've been clean for a couple of months now, I could not make myself return the pills to her because I just felt so awful. Now I just feel guilty and angry for being so weak.
> Hangover or not, I usually feel less than wonderful most of the time. It's no wonder - I'm sure my poor body is saturated with toxins.
> A couple of weeks ago I was at the bookstore and found a book with a regimen of food, vitamins and herbs designed exclusively for the detoxification of alcoholics and addicts. I didn't have enough money to buy the book and couldn't find it when I returned to the bookstore later. I know I should have asked a salesperson, but I couldn't bring myself to approach her and say, "I need that book for junkies and drunks!"
> And of course, I don't remember the name of the author or title of the book. Sometimes I'm in a complete fog.
>
> If someone should run into said book, I would be ever so greatful if you wrote down the name for me. I feel a real need to do penance for my latest relapse.
>
> Thanks again-
> Gracie
Posted by medlib on October 21, 2001, at 7:37:05
In reply to Relapse - looking for book, posted by Gracie2 on October 20, 2001, at 22:45:02
Hi Gracie--
You might see if either Food for Recovery by Joseph D. Beasley et al or Nature's Road to Recovery by Beth M. Ley-Jacobs et al look familiar. I found both on Amazon.com; to me, online browsing is both more convenient and less embarrassing.
If you don't want to buy online, you can check availability by phone; most bookstores will hold a title for 2-3 daysunder any name you choose and pay in cash. They won't automatically assume it's for you anyway; it could just as easily be a gift.
Well wishes---medlib
Posted by sar on October 21, 2001, at 13:19:52
In reply to Re: Relapse - looking for book, posted by medlib on October 21, 2001, at 7:37:05
Gracie,
as a former bookseller, i can attest that we got requests for all sorts of books. if guys can come up asking for books on foot fetishes and "nice sluts," and all the BPD books and co-dependency etc...
no one's gonna freak out if you ask for a certain book...
there are plenty of addicts out there. major bookstores usually have computers where they can search by subject.
best wishes,
sar
Posted by Kristi on October 22, 2001, at 1:00:00
In reply to Relapse - looking for book, posted by Gracie2 on October 20, 2001, at 22:45:02
Your post scared me a little.... what exactly is Ultram? I've been prescribed that, and been taking for about a year for pain after my surgeries. I thought it was strictly a pain med?
Confused kristi
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> I have been sober for nearly 2 years and pretty responsible with the pills, but I blew all that last night. I feel like a total failure. Went to a friend of mine (also in the med field) and asked if she had anything for a terrible hangover. She gave me a handful of new pills called Ultracet, and I almost began to weep. Ultracet is acetaminophen and tramadol,
> (Ultram), a drug that I've been abusing on and off for years, (my friend doesn't know this) and although I've been clean for a couple of months now, I could not make myself return the pills to her because I just felt so awful. Now I just feel guilty and angry for being so weak.
> Hangover or not, I usually feel less than wonderful most of the time. It's no wonder - I'm sure my poor body is saturated with toxins.
> A couple of weeks ago I was at the bookstore and found a book with a regimen of food, vitamins and herbs designed exclusively for the detoxification of alcoholics and addicts. I didn't have enough money to buy the book and couldn't find it when I returned to the bookstore later. I know I should have asked a salesperson, but I couldn't bring myself to approach her and say, "I need that book for junkies and drunks!"
> And of course, I don't remember the name of the author or title of the book. Sometimes I'm in a complete fog.
>
> If someone should run into said book, I would be ever so greatful if you wrote down the name for me. I feel a real need to do penance for my latest relapse.
>
> Thanks again-
> Gracie
Posted by Gracie2 on October 23, 2001, at 19:54:27
In reply to Re: Relapse - looking for book, posted by Kristi on October 22, 2001, at 1:00:00
Please don't be concerned if you are taking Ultram as prescribed. While it is supposed to be
non-narcotic and not addictive, I became at least psychologically hooked as it has a tranquilizing effect on me. I was using it as a sedative, not a painkiller, and it was not prescribed for me - I was using it illegally.
I'm not proud of that, but I would also be ashamed to scare away anyone who was using a drug responsibly with effective results. Aside from idiots like myself, I believe tramadol is a good drug, with no GI bleed or addictive effects of
a narcotic like Vicodan or Percocet.
I'm not aware of the psychiatric uses for Ultram but I have heard of it referred to on PB. Go down to the very bottom of the board and type "Ultram"
into the space by "Search this year for" to find other threads on tramadol.
Sorry to worry you-
Gracie
Posted by Gracie2 on October 23, 2001, at 21:13:11
In reply to Re: Relapse - looking for book, posted by medlib on October 21, 2001, at 7:37:05
Nature's Road to Recovery sounds very familiar-
also, I remember the author being a female. This might be the very book.
I know it's dumb to be embarrassed to ask a bookseller for a certain book (are there really books on foot fetishism?). My husband always says that I'm afraid of the wrong things. It doesn't phase me to stop at a convenience store alone at midnight in a bad neighborhood for a pack of cigarettes - but I'm afraid to ask a neighbor that I don't know well how she keeps the squirrels from digging up her tulip bulbs. I wonder if there is a name for this malady (besides "suicidal")or just some craziness I made up myself. Doubtful - like they say, there is nothing new under the sun.
Jay - the prescription drugs I'm taking right now are Xanax and Seroquel. The problem is that I have used so many drugs in the past - prescription, non-prescription and outright illegal, that I've managed to develop a huge tolerance to any drug...I need about 6 Advil for a simple headache. My doctor gave me the Xanax on condition that I start psychiatric treatment again, which I intend to do, so that will most likely mean more drugs.
But I'm trying to clean up my act. I'm trying.
-Gracie
Posted by sar on October 23, 2001, at 22:07:46
In reply to Looking for Book - Everybody, posted by Gracie2 on October 23, 2001, at 21:13:11
Gracie,
in our database, there were no books specifically on foot fetishism--just fetishes in general. the guy said, "i don't want to buy a whole book, i just want the foot fetish part." sorry... :)
you wrote that it doesn't faze you to stop at midnight in a bad neighborhood for cigs but you're afraid to ask a neighbor you don't know very well a question. this sounds *exactly* like me, though not so much any more. do you feel like you have any social anxiety?
a few years ago i was prescribed percocet for a major surgery and later, vicodin for a car accident. i *loved* them both, got refills, then bought pills off my friends when they were available. i loved that they chilled me out because i can get so anxious and highstrung at times; i also liked that they slowed me down, and they helped to quell my social anxiety.
i'm just wondering if this is a possibility for you.
best,
sar
Posted by Gracie2 on October 24, 2001, at 1:22:22
In reply to Re: Looking for Book - Everybody » Gracie2, posted by sar on October 23, 2001, at 22:07:46
You mentioned the two great loves of my life -
books and drugs. Also in there I must mention
sleeping, drinking and eating. Does any of that sound familiar?
-Gracie
Posted by Krazy Kat on October 24, 2001, at 9:18:51
In reply to Sar - OMG we could be sisters, posted by Gracie2 on October 24, 2001, at 1:22:22
Here's one more I have somewhat followed in the past. I think his high dosage of vitamins has been controversial, but his overall philosophy has helped me. And it's simple, easy to follow.
- K.
Posted by sar on October 28, 2001, at 12:41:43
In reply to Sar - OMG we could be sisters, posted by Gracie2 on October 24, 2001, at 1:22:22
>
> You mentioned the two great loves of my life -
> books and drugs. Also in there I must mention
> sleeping, drinking and eating. Does any of that sound familiar?
> -Gracieyou only left out one thing... :)
wickedly,
sar
Posted by Gracie2 on October 28, 2001, at 21:56:20
In reply to Re: OMG we could be sisters » Gracie2, posted by sar on October 28, 2001, at 12:41:43
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