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Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
In reply to Re: pharmac negotiation, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:21:54
it is curious what our leaders have to say about Afganistan.
Helen Clarke pretends to care about bringing democracy to the people of Afganistan (while caring nothing for how the people from NZL do not have democracy because the adminsitration never f*ck*ng changes).
He cry cry cries about how things will be worse for women in Afganistan under the Taliban. She was leader of this country when the UN was telling her that we had the highest rates of child abuse in the developed world. Do someting about the child abuse. Do something about the domestic violence.
Never mind about what OTHER people are up to on the other side of the world. Worry about what is going on right under your own f*ck*ng nose in your own f*ck*ng house.
Judith Collins says the Taliban is a death cult.
Well, Winston Peters said Taiwan should go home to its master.
So, you know.
You can see why they need to pay half a mill to all the workers of the 'think-tank' behind NZL politics.
Right?
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:34:08
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
they are required to enrol me in the degree.
they are required to honor and uphold the f*ck*ng contract.
they are required to hire people capable of teaching.
they are required to provide conditions such that they are capable of teaching.
(that included adequate assessment conditions so that people can work to international standards. not local standards of 'we force you to plagarise and commit atrocities on innocents so you will be branded as undesirable to any developed nation otherwise we will fail you out of your new zealand universities degree'.)else...
detention camp island.
that's all this country is.
because it refuses to allow it's people to get an education.
it refuses to uphold the most basic of human rights.
it does not honor it's contracts.
good people (good nations) cannot do business with new zealand.
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Apparently last tiem the taliban came things were initially good...
they did something about corruption.
they provided physical safety or security.
that enabled good business to thrive.
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but then... something was off with the balance of power.
and things were too... strict. too restrictive on the people.---
nzl needs to do sometihng about corruption and internal security.
the number of people being smashed in the back of the head blindsided.
the police don't prosecute even when there is security camera footage of the offenders.
the judges don't prosecute. they give them 'home detention'.new zealand doesn't.
so the whole island is quarantined. do not travel. cannot do business.
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want to visit new zealand?
you can get smashed in the back of a head or blown up in a volcano eruption...
and then you will get to experience the medical workforce first hand.
the cheapest doctors in the world (tehy pay us we don't pay tehm)
all for othe privaledge of doing whatever they want to you -- with impunity.
then they get to tell the future generations all the stories of their atrocities... 'the things yuo can do with impunity if you pay me enough and i choose you oh very special child made in my image'
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:42:48
In reply to they are required to train me., posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:34:08
we don't appear to have doctors, in other words.
or hospitals.just detention camps.
the universities... not processing enrolments or completions.
detention camps again.
new zealand: there is nothing here. not so far as i can see...
the prisons are not detention camps.
the prisons are training grounds for the gangs of new zealand.
they were places where people trained for teh mongrel mob, primarily.. but there were a few other gangs too. black power. i don't think i am thinking of pacifica -- that's something else... the black power used to be the rival gang to the mongrel mob. in a 'team sports' sort of a rival way, i think. more than anything. not entirely sure. then there the outcasts. the skinheads. they were the little white boys who used to go about in groups and get a bit stabby stabby. because they were afraid of the bigger presence of the other guys... so fear... but that made them more... unpredicatable... they were the only ones with access to cocaine... but that was some time ago...
anyway... the prisons are where the kids go when they are wanting to earn tehir patch into a gang. it's like... a coming out ceremony or ritual. and now you are a man. or whatever. having done some time in prison. maybe the idea is ... now they know you won't narc on them for less prison time or whatever. i don't know... in pracatice...
in practice it means that our prisons are 'play school' types of environments for training gangs. you know. the people who are to administrate and manage the prostituion and drugs. their workforce. like summer camp.
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that's why us having to imprison that terrorist was a big deal. we needed to build an actual prison.
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australia has been deporting people... nzl citizens who have been in australi a for a very long time.
i guess australia got to training them.
now australia is sending them back to new zealand. yes.
and they are going into the prisons. and they have opiates from tasmania... and they have big boy guns.
and it's creating a few problems. more than a few.
it's not play school in the prisons anymore.
or in the streets.
people being blindsided.
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come in new zealand!! get witht eh developed world programme!!! come in new zealand!!!
you are required to train me.
hurry up
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:56:58
In reply to Re: they are required to train me., posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:42:48
and they wont' do it.
they refuse to train workers.
they refuse to give qualifications to people who have met the requirements of training.
they refuse to publicly advertise jobs.
they refuse to hire the best person fro the job (they re-package jobs as being requirements of a training program that is then to be completed before you can apply for a job that doesn't exist becuase it is part of a training program...
that they don't advertise
that they don't pay anybody to do
there's nothing.
nothing.
nada.
zip.
zilch.
zero.
there's nothing here.
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where are all the theses? all the graduate research outputs of the university?
all the one-year full time theses? where are those? how many years did how many people slave to produce one one-year full time thesis?
and where are they?
where are the three-year full time theses? where are those? how many years did how many people slave to produce one three-year full time thesis?
and where oh where does all the money go??
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 17:59:11
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
Just private schoolboys from the looks of it.
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:00:33
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 17:59:11
It may have been a statement about who we are.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 18:00:53
In reply to Re: they are required to train me., posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:56:58
and where are the research outputs of your researchers?
where are the journals?
hidden behind pay-walls so that the people don't notice that there is no research output of the university.
i mean there are webpages of 'stuff' (that was brought for $1) where people read 'articles' by 'journalists' -- right?
read 'academic articles' by 'researchers' -- right?
there's a real high quality level of 'debate' -- right?
so des gorman can tell us what the medical school thinks.
and the new zealander of the year can tell us when she immigrated to nzl via england from south africa
etc...
they are going to get rid of 'english' says an australian. they are going to rebrand it 'language arts'. then they will replace 'english' with wheiorheughjfkf. and then our official language will become weiorhekgjhfhjkgj and all the laws will be written in ieryeighjfdkghsdilfjk and we will get to processing your documents in weireighfjkhdkl and ieryeighjfkj will process your documents and ridireoikghfk. riewhirkgh kdhriehtgjfdh kljriwoekjhfjkdfhj lkdjriehjkdhdlkrjl ierhrekjhfgjdkfhljaksdj
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:07:11
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
>Judith Collins says the Taliban is a death cult.
No shortage of them around.
Perhaps ISIS is the US Foreign Legion.
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 19:43:55
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:07:11
The last part has been overtaken by events, but the first two thirds is well worth it.
Posted by beckett2 on August 17, 2021, at 15:36:32
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:00:33
> It may have been a statement about who we are.
American men and Australian men are very similar on the battlefield. There is a high percentage anti social acting out.
An abandoned humvee thing with a Punisher symbol on the side. Casual cruelty.
John Bolton has the temerity to appear on camera.
I'm going out for a very long walk.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by beckett2 on August 17, 2021, at 15:36:32
> American men and Australian men are very similar on the battlefield. There is a high percentage anti social acting out.I would suppose that men, the world over, are very similar on the battlefield. with there being a high percentage anti social acting out.
That's why we send them to someplace else. I would imagine.
Leave us all your worldly goods and go die someplace else. Thanks very much. Very honorable you are. Etc etc.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:33:22
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
I mean, I would suppose that's why Helen Clarke (former Prime Minister of New Zealand) feels it's a moral imperative to bring democracy to the people of Afghanistan -- rather than bringing democracy to the people of New Zealand.
I couldn't tell if the people of Afghanistan were begging to be on the repatriation flights... Or if they were shaking their fists at them on their way out.
I wonder about the people who are being processed as 'refugees' from there. I wonder what their ties are etc. If it is the women and children dependents of the soldiers... Or what... Quite what is going on with that.
I would imagine those with the best cases are those who the soldiers were happy to flee from. They might well have families back home...
I don't know. I imagine it is more about that than about carpenters and cleaners.
I would also imagine that getting a bunch of Afghanistan women and children out...
Well...
I keep thinking about how it's in the news all the time about some 'school' of girls being taken hostage by armed men in South America. Nigeria or wherever. For a ransom to be paid by their parents for their return to the school, apparently.
Why would the parents send their kids to those kinds of schools? It doesn't make any sense at all...
When they say women of age 10 cannot go to 'school' anymore... I wonder what kinds of schools they had in mind.
Hard to know.
We don't have schools anymore.
We don't grade the work anymore.
Not by international standards. It's what keeps our GDP so low.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:37:49
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
It just didn't seem very diplomatic of Judith Collins.
Why does the Western World have such a very hard time understanding that the Prime Minister voluntarily left the country. He didn't want to be Prime Minister anymore. He only wanted to be Prime Minister because of the continued hand-outs of the USA government.
Biden went on about all the money the USA poured into Afganastan. Giving them a air force. But the Afganastan troops were...
Mercenaries.
That's what you call people who fight for the highest bidder? Right? And then when the money stops and people...
Fight for what they believe in.
Or flee.
They chose to flee.
So.
What you going to do?
I think Biden is being the 'bigger man' (not saying that anybody else is not as big as him). I mean to say I think he is being 'big'. He is doing the right thing. There never was a good time to withdraw the troops. The best time likely was promptly after they got Bin Laden.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:39:09
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:37:49
And anyone who thinks otherwise... Well... Trump is trumpeting otherwise if you need someone to validate that perspective.
Posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 16:08:52
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
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> That's why we send them to someplace else. I would imagine.
>Then there are the people who do not fight themselves but send others to do the dirty work.
There is book, Blood Meridian, a fictionalized account of the 'opening' of the southwest to the US. It tells me all I ever needed to know of what psychopaths can get up to when free of the constraint.
People I know with family in Mexico now fly rather than drive to avoid cartels on the roads. It's a shame.
Posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 19:38:56
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 16:08:52
Yay for the war on drugs.
Posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 21:37:44
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 19:38:56
> Yay for the war on drugs.
We like our wars.
Posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 23:04:51
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 21:37:44
Peter Linebaugh was saying that the Louisiana Purchase gave Napoleon the money for his fleet to put down the slave rebellion in Haiti. I love our propaganda.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 21, 2021, at 22:51:11
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 23:04:51
i hear they are blaming sydney for giving delta to new zealand. aw. that's not very fair leaders of sydney. you forgot to give many sydney-siders a reason to live. and now you chasitise them for not wanting to help you with your future.
Posted by sigismund on August 22, 2021, at 16:26:14
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 21, 2021, at 22:51:11
They were quick to send in the mounted police there.
The federal government wasted its golden opportunity by being too clever by half and too rude to Pfiser. The Liberal Party is full of attack dogs and culture warriors. I've never liked them, but they are so much worse now.
Posted by sigismund on August 22, 2021, at 16:35:47
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 22, 2021, at 16:26:14
Not much of this from the Prosperity Gospel of our PM.
For I was an hungry, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. (Matthew 25:35-40, abridged.)
Posted by alexandra_k on August 23, 2021, at 17:17:47
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 22, 2021, at 16:35:47
yeah.
you learn everything you need to know about a person when you see how they treat those who they think they can treat however they want (with impunity).
that's where people don't get privacy, eh. in how they treat those who they think... they can get away with treating badly.
you have to particularly watch out for the kinds of people who arrange for puppies (say) to be abused and / or kept in conditions of deprivation... so that they can themselves ride in on a big white horse and have for themselves something that is forever adoring and grateful.
those are the worst of the offenders, i think.
people who surround themselves with loyal... attack dogs. who will die for them out of devotion. because of the early circumstances they set up for deprivation and abuse.
there is an awful lot of that about in the world.
people who like to work with / 'help' (helping me helping me helping me help myself to you) people they perceive to be vulnerable.
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i didn't realise that the troops being withdrawn from Afghanastan was something that was promised to happen, to a timeline. 20 years ago.
they are saying, now, that the troops left and the Taliban took control much earlier than they had supposed...
but the troops are late -- right?
The withdrawal of all US troops.. did not occur by the deadline.
And people have had years to plan their out.
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NZL just offloaded a 'family' of 16, apparently, only some of which had visas.
Harboring unlawful's already..
Sigh.
Not a fit for purpose, purpose built quarantine facility in the entire country.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 23, 2021, at 17:21:24
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 23, 2021, at 17:17:47
It depends who they are...
Apparently they are relatives of a plasterer already here.
We gave him a visa to work as a plasterer.. And we gave a visa to some of his family members. Maybe his wife and his 7 year old and 5 year old...
But they packed a few more on the plane than that.
His father, by the seems of it.
Maybe New Zealand thought his plasterers salary would stretch to support a family of 16?
Likely there is little to no thought. Actually.
Posted by sigismund on September 11, 2021, at 19:16:55
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 23, 2021, at 17:21:24
Another 20 years of nothing learned, although good money for the arms industry. Our PM remarked when asked if it had been worth it 'Freedom is always worth fighting for', to which the father of a soldier killed replied 'B*llsh*t!' Every year it is as if we grow a little more stupid and ignorant, but maybe it is me getting older and still being able to remember.
Our PM also said of the Quad (USA, Japan, Australia, India) that it was the dawn of freedom for the Indo Pacific region. So much dawn, so little light.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 12, 2021, at 2:24:13
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on September 11, 2021, at 19:16:55
> Another 20 years of nothing learned, although good money for the arms industry. Our PM remarked when asked if it had been worth it 'Freedom is always worth fighting for', to which the father of a soldier killed replied 'B*llsh*t!' Every year it is as if we grow a little more stupid and ignorant, but maybe it is me getting older and still being able to remember.
> Our PM also said of the Quad (USA, Japan, Australia, India) that it was the dawn of freedom for the Indo Pacific region. So much dawn, so little light.
sigh.
yeah.
i remember what i was doing when i learned that the twin towers had been driven into by an airplane. i arrived for a dbt group session. apparently i was a "borderline personality" black and white thinker who needed to learn a little mindfulness acceptance...
or my therapists did. while Bush proclaimed "whoever is not for us is against us"
and my first question was:
why?
was it political?
(i mean... was it an accident? engineering failure? navigation problems? political statement about USA international trade policies? uh...)
m'kay.
the scope of a promise never to forget. 20 years later. indeed.
my promise never to forget was like... closer to 40 years ago.
am i forgiven yet?
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