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Posted by beckett2 on November 25, 2019, at 21:16:28
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on November 24, 2019, at 21:12:27
> It's just the range of acceptable opinion. (I think) Trump does not fit into the Overton Window, whereas war with Russia does. (Can this be right?)
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> 'If you switch on television it's just ridiculous and it's destructive. It kills us and talk shows will kill us, they kill our language.
> So we have to declare holy war against every image we see every day on television.' Werner Herzog
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> I'd like to have seen more of his films.You can see him as an actor in The Mandalorian :) His gravitas is used to frightening effect.
When I watched the impeachment hearings (some of them), I streamed them from the NYT which provides very little commentaryl. Avoiding the cable news shows and commentary etc was the way to go. Cleaner. I other words, I agree.
Is the Herzog quote from an interview?
Posted by beckett2 on November 25, 2019, at 21:25:07
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on November 25, 2019, at 21:01:40
> No, I don't know. The dead shearwaters were from years ago. He's pretty well informed though.
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> This is unnecessarily depressing. It's unpleasant to be outside with the hot wind and everything shrivelling up. Hey? you know that lump of coal shellacked to keep their hands clean? That was given to Scomo by the head of the Minerals Council, and that man now has an important position in the PMs office. And then there's the bloody rapture. If you can avoid finding this depressing I'd want to know why. People taking the last 2 cows out to shoot them because there is no water.Oh. Is this what you're referring to : https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/24/alaska-australia-anxious-observers-fear-mass-shearwater-deaths
I read a Guardian report earlier this year (that they weren't arriving on time.) This update makes me nauseous. I haven't read all of it. Left open a tab for later.
Posted by beckett2 on November 25, 2019, at 21:33:43
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 25, 2019, at 21:25:07
> > No, I don't know. The dead shearwaters were from years ago. He's pretty well informed though.
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> > This is unnecessarily depressing. It's unpleasant to be outside with the hot wind and everything shrivelling up. Hey? you know that lump of coal shellacked to keep their hands clean? That was given to Scomo by the head of the Minerals Council, and that man now has an important position in the PMs office. And then there's the bloody rapture. If you can avoid finding this depressing I'd want to know why. People taking the last 2 cows out to shoot them because there is no water.
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> Oh. Is this what you're referring to : https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/24/alaska-australia-anxious-observers-fear-mass-shearwater-deaths
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> I read a Guardian report earlier this year (that they weren't arriving on time.) This update makes me nauseous. I haven't read all of it. Left open a tab for later.
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Last winter (our winter, sorry) was the flooding? I'm really very sorry sigi. I had hoped the poor cattle would have been sorted out. So it's back to drought? (That was in Queensland, if I recall correctly. My knowledge of Australia is getting better.)We should be getting the first real rain of the season-- very late. Last winter was wonderful. Almost like I recall. We'd need twenty more to break even. There was even fog! Though not enough. Redwoods create (or did) their own atmosphere or at least require it, which is fog.
Posted by sigismund on November 27, 2019, at 20:55:08
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 25, 2019, at 21:16:28
>Is the Herzog quote from an interview?
It was from a YouTube 30 minute film about all his films. It is a quote.
Posted by sigismund on November 27, 2019, at 21:05:36
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » beckett2, posted by beckett2 on November 25, 2019, at 21:33:43
Right. I didn't know that about the fog where you are.
The Liberal Party is in a difficult position. They market the coal and police the discussion while the country waits to burn. But everybody knows. This is like waiting for the avalanche. We don't know when or how it will come. They could make a virtue of this if they could seize the debate and turn it to their favour, but they misunderestimate the public.
Posted by beckett2 on November 27, 2019, at 23:10:47
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on November 27, 2019, at 21:05:36
It may be we've officially reached the climate tipping point.
Earlier this evening I read about a study showing mountain lions in the Monterey Bay are being harmed by mercury from coal burning carried from the ocean by fog and carried onto land.
Unknown amounts of toxins in circulation.
Posted by sigismund on December 1, 2019, at 3:41:13
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on November 27, 2019, at 23:10:47
New and unusual cancers around from chemicals of which we know very little.
I'm not at home but I heard we may have had half an inch of rain.
Posted by beckett2 on December 3, 2019, at 13:13:33
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 1, 2019, at 3:41:13
I'm worried about your bushfires. I'm hoping some rain arrives. Wasn't there a storm last week?
Posted by sigismund on December 4, 2019, at 1:06:11
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 3, 2019, at 13:13:33
Right here we had an inch of rain, but it wasn't widespread and I doubt it went far inland. That keeps the wolf from the door for the moment.
The fires are normally worse down south in the drier eucalyptus forests. So far so good. The Guardian had an article about continental fires, and for the first time I could imagine it, just as I can now easily imagine the rainforest burning. Maybe that will happen? The forest will dry and then burn? They talk about the Amazon turning into savannah.
Posted by beckett2 on December 5, 2019, at 21:27:23
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 4, 2019, at 1:06:11
Is South Australia similar to parts of California, grassy with eucalypts? Today's footage of the bushfires reminds me of here.
Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 1:42:56
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 5, 2019, at 21:27:23
South Australia is dry and hot in the north of that state. There is this strange place called Wilpena Pound there in the Flinders Ranges. That was once sheep country.
Apparently the smoke haze goes 300 miles out. It has been almost a month of smoke, though those rainforest fires were much earlier. The afternoon light is yellow or orange, a bit like it is just before a big storm. Will this lead to some sort of change in the politics? It no longer seems (remotely) convincing to blame it on the greenies or young people eating smashed avocado and drinking lattes.
Posted by beckett2 on December 6, 2019, at 10:05:34
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 1:42:56
> South Australia is dry and hot in the north of that state. There is this strange place called Wilpena Pound there in the Flinders Ranges. That was once sheep country.
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> Apparently the smoke haze goes 300 miles out. It has been almost a month of smoke, though those rainforest fires were much earlier. The afternoon light is yellow or orange, a bit like it is just before a big storm. Will this lead to some sort of change in the politics? It no longer seems (remotely) convincing to blame it on the greenies or young people eating smashed avocado and drinking lattes.Blame it on the greenies? Because they are the messangers? Ffs.
The koalas :(
Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:49:47
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 6, 2019, at 10:05:34
>Because they are the messangers? Ffs.
There has not been enough back burning, mainly because there is no safe season in which to do it. People who are green love nature. There's too much of it and it is burning. So it is their fault.
Doesn't seem very impressive when I put it like that.
If you can smell the burning then the fire is close enough. Normally that's not the case.
There was a letter to the Sydney Morning g Herald once reminding greenies that wind farms may actually increase global warming by slowing down the earth's rotation, and which could, at an extreme, throw the earth off its axis.
Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:55:15
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:49:47
Let's see.....
Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:57:32
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:55:15
Normally the worst summer fires are in the south below Sydney, especially Victoria. Maybe it rained there?
Posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 14:28:27
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:57:32
Some people are saying that it is the refugees lighting the fires. They became notorious here when it was perceived that they were the reason for long waiting times in public hospitals and traffic jams in Western Sydney. So only a short space from there to lighting all these fires.
The public hospitals and traffic jams comes from a Liberal MP. The refugees lighting fires is from the man up the road. Not very reassuring. Imagine when there is real pressure on people, not that there isn't now, but there wasn't real pressure to blame the refugees for traffic jams and hospital waiting lines. Sudanese youth gangs? Wearing hoodies!
I have a good excuse to stay inside all day. People say I should lay wet towels at the foot of the door (cancer?!) What an intellectual disgrace.
Posted by beckett2 on December 8, 2019, at 1:29:39
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 6, 2019, at 13:49:47
> >Because they are the messangers? Ffs.
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> There has not been enough back burning, mainly because there is no safe season in which to do it. People who are green love nature. There's too much of it and it is burning. So it is their fault.
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> Doesn't seem very impressive when I put it like that.
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> If you can smell the burning then the fire is close enough. Normally that's not the case.Ah, ok. We have that here, too. I thought you meant something like our green party. Would that roughly be ALP?
Posted by sigismund on December 8, 2019, at 15:01:21
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 8, 2019, at 1:29:39
I just meant the way that 'greens' are characterised in some conversations and the more rabid media.
We have a couple of Green MPs. Probably similar enough to yours.
The Greens here operate like the left wing of the ALP.
Posted by sigismund on December 9, 2019, at 11:31:48
In reply to Re: The apocalypse in Australia will be sepia, posted by sigismund on December 8, 2019, at 15:01:21
Posted by beckett2 on December 9, 2019, at 21:33:50
In reply to And so it is Christmas, posted by sigismund on December 9, 2019, at 11:31:48
You get the same flavor bs we do here. White people feel the oppression of non-eurocentrism.This was pretty remarkable. I don't expect this kind of talk on the news.
You're familiar with Mitch McConnell (#moscowmitch) but not the other names... but they are just as bad, just not as powerful.
I wonder what news will drop this xmas and new years eves.
Posted by Beckett2 on December 10, 2019, at 0:45:36
In reply to And so it is Christmas, posted by sigismund on December 9, 2019, at 11:31:48
Why is Morrison refusing extra help for the fire fighters? I dont understand it.
Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 13:53:20
In reply to Re: And so it is Christmas » sigismund, posted by Beckett2 on December 10, 2019, at 0:45:36
>Why is Morrison refusing extra help for the fire fighters? I dont understand it.
His strategy might be to avoid the fires and concentrate on religious freedom. (That's the right to vilify gay people, I guess.)Have to seen the photos of Sydney?
Scotty took the opportunity to relocate his family from Sydney to Perth. You might say this is not a good look.
Let's say Canberra burned down, or there was a continental fire.......then at least sections of the ruling class and the base would peel off.
It is astonishing. Anyway they can't blame the ALP this time, not that it deserves much credit. Those refugee arsonists and radical wokists will do their worst while decent ordinary Australians enjoy being patronised.
It is Tim Minchin's line.
Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:34:46
In reply to I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 13:53:20
These are the sort of dynamics......
Queensland, the deep north, is the only state ever to elect a member of the Communist Party to Federal Parliament.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/10/whats-the-matter-with-america/
Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:40:38
In reply to Re: I don't believe he reads widely., posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:34:46
So Liberal really is a town in Kansas.
Andrew Bacevich came from Normal, Illinois.
Posted by sigismund on December 10, 2019, at 14:48:09
In reply to Re: And so it is Christmas » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on December 9, 2019, at 21:33:50
>White people feel the oppression of non-eurocentrism.
So it seems.
(I like the European musical tradition. What else do they have in mind?)
It is the poor who should be worried, many of whom are white. They live on boats that the rising tide never lifted.
Speaking of rising tides.......
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