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Posted by alexandra_k on January 20, 2019, at 23:32:29
In reply to Re: admin, posted by alexandra_k on January 20, 2019, at 23:25:18
and it could well be something about the perception of risk and pay-off structures.
you know, their kids got their places in med last year, already, and they are ready for early retirement, now.
university will smooth things over on their way out in the interests of protecting their own reputation so saudi arabian sheep farmers will still pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for certain women to train to be doctors in english speaking first world country to better look after harem girls back home...
or similar.
i don't f*ck*ng care what it is.
i am f*ck*ng sick of people treating me like i'm an idiot imbecile and totally ignoring and disregarading and rubbishing and pooh pooh poohing everything i have got to say.
these awful people who can't even tell the difference between some illiterate psychopath and someone who is educated and genuinely morally inclined.
these f*ck*ng awful people.
someone said someting about 'these are the people who will inspire and motivate you...' well go on, then, do something inspiring or motivating. or, uh, do something psychopathic and idiotic and dismissive and corrupt and, uh, see the rewards that you come by in life!
i mean, what do you want me to say????
if you want me to respect your integrity: act with integrity!
whoda thunk!
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 18:58:41
In reply to Re: admin, posted by alexandra_k on January 20, 2019, at 23:32:29
maybe we don't want universities, anymore. maybe we don't want medical schools. we don't seem to be either willing or able to hire people to follow the rules.
i see the only reason people accuse me of not following the rules is that they aren't following the rules. that's a thing they do. externalisation, or whatever it is. instead of doing their job according to the rules they accuse me of trying to make them do their job against the rules when i'm trying to get them to follow the rules.
you know. like, i submit an application to the medical admissions committee. so the dean thinks that he can just remove it from the pile so it doesn't go to the committee. i mean, he's a person on the committee. in fact he's the head of the committee. in fact, we may as well just say that he is the committee and so he made the decision on behalf of the committee and i would be asking him to do his job improperly if he were require to bring things to the committee for a decision instead of simply making decisions on behalf of the committee.
and then the next year an administrator decided she had the power to dump my application on behalf of the committee. becuase she decides what gets to the dean, and he decides what gets to the committee, you see? you see how it goes and how it's all just them doing their job...
so i bring that to the attention of the dean. and he doesn't like that. for obvious reasons.
apparently there are policies / procedures. to be followed. from within the university and then from outside the university, too. from the government. i guess if the university wants money from the goverment that is what that is about. and if the government wants money from... the world bank. or whomever. to try and encourage civilisation.
and apparently it is part of these that the official people are supposed to inform you of what the process is and of reasonable timeframes.
but they don't / won't. they spout garbage. tell you falsehoods. if you say something that isn't right (to kind of see whether they put you right) then they don't. They will intentionally propogate the misinformation.
and part of the problem is that there are different sources of information. instead of their being clear statements of the policy and procedure in... in the University Calendar. an obvious place to look... they will try and 'explain it so someone incapable of parsing english' can understand - which sort of defeats the purpose. they try and rephrase it - but that always involves their altering the meaning. and so you get less official university webpages spreading false information that people come to accept as the rules. like, for example, saying that people 'invariably' take more than the minimum time to complete the qualiflication (which is only the case because the administrator people refuse to work according to the timelines they are required to work within).
which isn't acceptable.
i guess the 'within the last 5 years' requirement is to ensure people have seen what the brain drain has done to NZ. or the corruption. it is hard to tell whether people intentionally profit from the ineptitute or whether it's an unintentional sort of benefiting. the incentive structures are mostly towards ineptitude for many.
if you can convince people that they are incompetent / inept / incapable and so they just stick around throwing money at you...
we shouldn't be allowed to take international students.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 19:07:07
In reply to Re: admin, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 18:58:41
we shouldn't be allowed to have universities if we can't play by the rules.
we wouldn't be allowed to have medical schools.
hospitals.
wait...
no kidding.
well bring on in the foreign military so the locals can have their shots and so the tourists don't get sick!
and train up a few of the locals to collect up the biopsy samples and give the people their shots.
bring on in the computer systems so all the data.. all the data.. hey what a wonderful experimental population! they don't look after each other at all! nobody will stick up for their interests!
the whole country is just tower of babble. not because people worked together especailly well and achieved anything at all. it's hard to see how the people ever will, at this rate, though.
maybe it is a mindset they are trying to teach me.
if you wait for other people to notice your competence / give you permission then that is never going to happen, here.
the only way is by forcing them to accept you. by forcing them to see that they have no grounds for not accepting you.
if they can find anything, anything, anything at all... anything at all.. anything at all... so they can get you to give up or go away or give them money or... anything at all... they can get you feeling badly about your height or your weight or your nose... they can get you feeling badly about your age or your grades or your family or your... anything at all. they can beat you because they found you alone in the corner and they had opportunity! anything at all... because they managed to accuse you of sexual harrassment or racism or sexism or being mean or anything at all... anything at all... the people just go around kick kicking at everyone they can for anything at all...
such friendly people!
tis the kiwi way!
i don't know why people choose to live like this.
awful people.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 19:23:27
In reply to Re: admin, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 19:07:07
apparently it's the people with power. when you get close. when you are percieved as a threat to their power. they turn nasty. so you try not to make it personal. but they likely will. anything at all. anything at all. they have the people they want the places to go to. it will never be me. anything at all anything at all anything at all. it isn't about disability or age or gender or anything systematic like that. it is just them searching about for anything at all.
i think the idea is that it makes their own look better and brighter.
there is this thing, though. this idea... whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. the idea of testing testing trial by fire.
i guess i think of the immune system. and slummy housing. does that make the immune system stronger or just wear people out and keep them down?
apparently slums do result in...
the immunologically elite.
i found that somewhere.
an old book.
mostly... i found it crappy. but that was brilliant.
the immunologically elite.
e.g., amongst an AIDS epidemic... where AIDS is endemic... you find some individuals who, despite repeated exposure, don't get sick.
the immunologically elite.
then you take up samples and so on from them. then manufacture that for people who can afford it.
without the countlessly many dying of AIDS...
you would't find the immunologically elite in a timely fashion.
you wouldn't get it to market so swiftly for the...
financially elite. i guess.
anyway...
i don't know if people are testing / showing me how to get justice in this country. i guess i have to belive they are. and that things will come through for me over the next month.
i guess things really have come to a head with respect to potentially just how f*ck*ng corrupt things may be, here.
this year...
it is as f*ck*ng clear as clear as clear can be. if i do not get offered a place it is because they did not follow their own policy / procedure. they have no grounds to deny me.
it's probably only becuase they thought my GPA wasn't good enough that htey let me do well on interview.
i heard that somewhere... people who do worse on GPA tend to do better on interview.
it will be interesting to see who did get in via supposedly 'competitive' routes. more particularly, just how much of a whos whos kid it is. and what school they went to. i'm sure they taught them to keep their head down...
i could care less. i just want to get on with the f*ck*ng job, already.
i guess it is teaching me to find the policy that (when followed) gets things to teh highest level people the fastest. because most admin people are not so competent and they waste your time.
it is a surprise to me, genuinely, how many people seem to find reading / following policy / procedure to be hard.
i do know this is why we don't have more operations and so on in the public sector.
wash your hands.
doesn't happen. and that's just the start.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 19:49:11
In reply to Re: admin, posted by alexandra_k on January 20, 2019, at 23:32:29
And it's just an awful situation, all around.
I suspect they think they don't need to follow the rules because I've gamed the system somehow in retaining my GPA over the years, despite the very best efforts of Auckland and Otago and WELTEC to ruin my GPA.
Only, what I did was what I was required to do to retain my GPA.
And I think it was actually that they attempted to act against the interests of the people / society by attempting to set up rules that would swiftly and irrevokably cull out people who weren't in the know about the way things are.
The way things are... Being that first year at University (for Med entry) is designed so as to be mostly revision for people who went to good schools and did science there, and mostly impossible for people who did not.
The way things are... Being that there is no way for students who did not go to good schools and do science there... To do those things so as to have the opportunity later in life.
There is no do over.
Unless...
Unless you study part time. Because part time status doesn't count for your GPA. Becuase you could just do 1 course and get an A+ and have a 9.0.
But the flip-side of that is that part time status doesn't count for your GPA. So if they are going to fail you for a course then you drop back to part-time status. So they can't give you a fail for one course which irrevokably f*cks up your GPA.
I wish the system wasn't the way it is. With trying to scam people. With not providing people with a genuine pathway so that they have the opportunity to earn competitive entry to a degree that is supposed to be competitive entry and merit based.
Unfortunately, it's just a competitive entry degree for the kids of people in the know who are basically purchasing the cheapest medical degree in the english speaking world they can for their kids -- largely because the government picks up the bulk of the bill. that means they can save their college fund to get their 19 or 20 year old undergraduate kid sitting the Step 1 (after 2 years at med school). saving for the other steps and so on...
But not having to pay for a US college undergraduate degree.
Or graduate entry Medical degree.But that's the 'best' kids NZ was able to put forwards for match, you see.
Mostly by way of kicking at and preventing everyone else.
Especially those with genuine merit.
Who didn't get non-aborted earlier in the system.
You see?
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:25:18
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 19:49:11
It is probably not clear...
Medicine is an undergraduate degree in this country.
First Year is fairly open entry but entry to second year is competitive.
There are basically 3 entry pathways.
There are two on the basis of first year. They have in common 4 subjects - cell bio, anat and phys, epidemiology / public health, organic chemistry. The rest of the subjects are biological physics and biochemistry for the 'biomed' pathway and sort of public health-y population health and health psychology for the 'healthsci' pathway.
The population health stuff is weird... I have done some statistics and I have previous background with psychology (including social and clinical)... The stuff here is something else... It's 'informal' reasoning or something that... Often doesn't make any sense by people who have not studied statistics or psychology.
The other pathway is graduate, on the basis of previously completed degrees - where the degrees must have been completed in NZ.
There are around 280 domestic places.
Around 40 for Maaori and pacific islanders
Around 50 for students from rural secondary schools (as best I can figure, including rurally located boarding schools)
Around 50 competitive entry graduate
Around 150 competitive entry from first yearI think the breakdown is something like the above. And they are sort of quotas for Maaori and pacific and rural origins (I'm pretty sure rural origins was the 'trade' for Maaori - I would be surprised if it wasn't a reward for wealthy people sending their kids to rural boarding schools to reduce pressure on inner city schools, if possible... I mean I know they want us to believe it is about serving the needs of rural communities, but I have no reason to believe them to be altruistic...)...
So...
Then they don't actually say how many grads vs first years. I guess they can make their rank list and experiment with different numbers of grads vs first years until they get most of the kids they want and cut out most of the kids they don't want...
So then we have a cohort. And a bunch of them are 19. And they have basically been selected in on the basis of their Secondary Schooling. Because the biomed curriculum really rewards students who studied those subjects well at good Secondary Schools. And it is basically impossible for students who didn't. But just in case a student from a non-traditional background is looking like they might make it... You can fail them for an essay in Population Health. Just so they don't get in, you see. If they don't have the foresight to flee (if they remain with full time status) they will have irrevokably f*ck*d up any chance of doing Med. A fail on your GPA is not something that can be recovered from.
So they failed me.
SO I dropped back to part time and fled.
There was nothing else to be done, given that people were blustering and thumping and refusing to follow University Complaints procedure and the people hired to help over at the Students Union... Well... They surely pick the most incopmetent ones they can find for those kinds of jobs. Unintentionally??? Yeah, right.
The Government pays the bulk of the bill to train the Med students. So we have these 19 year old second year students doing the cheapest undergraduate level medical degree in the english speaking world.
They don't have a 4 year (not even a 3 year) undergraduate degree in science (or anything else) behind them.
But they are second year Med students. And after 2 more years of both science and case-based learning they'll be in the hospitals.
FAIMER listed Auckland as 'graduate entry'.
But most of the people coming out of Auckland Medical School do not have previous degrees. It is an undergraduate level degree.
They expediate their kids because it's cheaper that way, I guess.
They don't have to pay for an undergraduate degree.
They don't have to pay for a graduate medical degree.
They may have to contribute towards the cost of their undergraduate medical degree (but they have organised surprisingly many scholarships for their own kids).
So most of their money they can spend on US accreditation.
Which really doesn't seem fair.So now the problem has to be... That if this is the cheapest medical degree in teh English Speaking world why wouldn't US students go do this cheaper one (even if they pay international student fees it would be considerably cheaper than a US 4 year degree BEOFRE the cost of a US medical school degree)...
So I guess they call it 'graduate entry'.
And they say you have to have completed a degree in NZ first.
But there is this 'from first year' entry route...
And then they sort of go 'aw! better luck next time! Stick around and you can apply again in only 2 years!'
Only they will make sure you fail one of your papers so you will be culled.
There doesn't seem to be any integrity.
Expediating the kids through isn't good for anyone.
It's not good for those kids.
They don't get the chance to decide what they want to do with their lives. Whether Medicine is something they want to work for, or not. They don't get to follow what they are passionate about... Do a degree in cell biology or neuroscience or whatever... They don't get to study the arts for fun. What little exposure they get to it is mostly designed to get them screaming back to Med. At least that was the slice that I could see from here... Not least because that is our exposure to the Arts generally... It is not something we value, here...
Out education system got so f*ck*ng crappy.
The worst of it is they can't even tell the difference between merit and the lack of it. Half the people whose job it is to decide think it is just about picking the ones with the... Cutest eyes. Or f*ck knows what.
Social experiment round 2: Giving it back.
Sigh.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:39:05
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:25:18
I guess it's about getting through the ones whose parents fuckign well make you get them through. I guess it's about that.
I guess it's about them likely not sending out many offers of place and seeing who complains and how they complain and seeing which of the complaints to the Government they need to fend off if they want to keep getting those government funds...
F*ck knows.
I don't believe anything anymore.
I used to post to this website... Used to read from there, too.
Only, the people weren't that great, really. When I started having a hard time with being failed for Population Health papers it was like the vultures saw the weakness to pick pick pick pick pick... With friends like these... You know how that goes... I started to wonder whether people were posting honestly, or whether people were posting falsehoods (e.g., like the bodybuilding sites where people lie about their lifts for the kudos)... I started wondering whether people were trying to psych other people out, and so on... I think it likely that was the case...
More recently I read from there and have reason to believe a couple things to be 'baiting' me to jump back in with a rant about them calculating GPA's incorrectly this year.
One person posted that they calculated their GPA to be (something lower than) how their GPA was calculated for their entry offer. Only... How the hell would they know what their GPA was calculated for their entry offer? When you get offered a place you do not question how they calculated your GPA - you just accept your offer. It is only if your place is declined that you ask (and they may tell you) how they calculated your GPA. So it's a... Weird kind of a baiting thing to say... Unless they were declined, their parents queried, they got an offer by over-calculating the GPA...
F*ck knows...
Just stay away from all the b*llsh*t that you get because it's a program that has 19 year olds doing it...
We don't have classes for adult students to get a High School education in subjects like Calculus and Statistics and Biology and PHysics and Chemistry.
People here seem genuinely to believe that the abiltiy to acquire this is a feature or function of the young mind. If you don't learn it at whatever part of your development then it is gone forever.
Whatever whatever whatever nonsense that they spout to justify why their own kids get expediated through...
I wonder how many of those very young kids wash out. I think it is most of them...
Then GPs in RC's (general practitioners in rural communities).
It can never be about freedom... Freedom to pursue your own ends.
Everybody else has got a stake. Gets to stick their oar in.
No freedom.
No equality.
No justice.At all.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:50:09
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:39:05
There is no way that I should have been failed for Population Health.
There is no way that I wrote a first year essay that was worth only 30 per cent, for 20 per cent of the entire course.
I went to all the lectures. I did all the readings. I studied.
How it is possible that a student who only previously achieved A grades for arts and social sciences.. How is it possible that I suddenly come up with such complete and utter garbage for a degree that is 'first in family' and all of that...
How is that possible?
Answer: There is no university.
Another NZ University... A politician was not allowed to speak there, last year. Apparently because he has been deemed, on the basis of previous things he has said, to be 'racist'.
So, by calling someone 'racist' you are able to deny them freedom of speech in a university or academic context.
What he said that was suppose to be 'racist' was that he was opposed to Maaori thinking they had the birthright to the upper hand.
It was something to do with elite Maaori thinking they had the right to the things elite non-Maaori have... He denied that... They thought that was racist. Of course Maaori elites should be able to expediate the passage of their own children - just the way the elite non-Maaori do!
But now we trade-back for 'rural origins'...
And things just go from bad to worse to a state of war.
It's such a thin veneer...
I guess if yuo don't have the capacity to work... If you never got shown how to work. To take pride in things worked for.
This might be fun.
I don't know.
I suspect it's mostly about youth. Something about kamakaze males.
That's why they die young. THey didn't save for teh future.
High risk. Short life.
It's a way to live.
To the detriment of us all...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:55:10
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:50:09
We get to the VC's anyway. I belive they are on around $400,000 per year or $600,000 per year or something like that.
That would hire a few post-doctoral fellows.
That would hire a few junior lecturers to lighten the teaching load to allow for research time.
That would fund a few PhD students or MPhil students or MA students.
While still providing a more than adequate living wage for these high level officials, of course.
I wonder if they can organise for the people in their institution to correctly calculate a GPA, to provide an outcome for a theis in accordance with University Regulation, all within a reasonable time so I don't have to spend a year of my life... Waiting for admin...
I wonder if they can acknowledge receipt of an email within 3 days.
I wonder if they can resolve things in under 20.
Ineptitude doesn't ring true when you consider how much they are paid.
And what do they do with their money, anyway?
And why don't they hire people who are competent?
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:58:05
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:55:10
I mean...
Their job is to know what the regulations are - right?
To get people to follow the regulations - right?
The Dean was like 'you can't just calculate your GPA however you want to!' and I was like 'That's right, I can't, but neither can admin. The virtue of the way I calculated it was that it was in accordance with the rules on how you are supposed to calculate it'.
How much do the pay the Dean?
What is his job?
ffs
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:17:05
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 20:39:05
And no, they are not trying to teach me to folow the rules.
I am a rule follower.
And not in a Tourettes or OCD kind of a way (good try!) but in a genuine kind of a 'doing what it is that you are f*ck*ng well suppose to do' kind of a way.
It is everybody else who doesn't seem to think the rules apply to them.
-- If they can get away with it!
And they do get away with it. I guess that's the thing.
There is something about how you have to stand up for your rights. But then you need the information on what it is that you are supposed to do. Justice is suppose to be accessible to everyone. But then the information on what people are supposed to do in the face of injustice is supposed to be accessible to anyone. But I have a hard time finding the policy / procedure / regulations...
I guess that is the thing. Start out locating the policy / procedure / regulations. THen follow those.
Most people actually cannot do that. Most people seem to have genuine difficulty parsing / rephrasing in a way that doesn't alter the meaning.
I suppose I have found odd bits where I have worked back through something I was working on and realised I mis-did something here, or there. I find systematically, reliably, and repeatably, that when I err it is on the side of caution (for me), however. I err on the side of making my case to be less or worse or err on the side of giving others the benefit of the doubt. That is because it is better for me (I reckon) to know and expect on the basis of, not reach or hope.
Anyway...
I guess this is an important lesson.
Accreditation and regulation. People in NZ will always be trying to tell me I can't, I won't, I'm not eligable, I'm not allowed, it can't be done and so on and so on becuase that is the awful way...
Most people can't do the accreditation / regulation thing because they don't locate the information and then they don't value it the way they should (they will go with word of mouth instead)...
I just need to focus on what I need to do and do it... Not pay attention to them.
Whether it is intentional or unintentional. I expect a large portion is unintentional. It's a lot harder than I tend to think it is. It is only as easy for me as it is after years and years and years of study and critical thinking about difficult text and so on... And it is still hard... I make errors too...
I'm getting a sense of the differences in the cohort.. How many are set up to fail from the get-go...
I... Have a chance... I studied Biochem. Part time. Physics. Statistics. More cell biology. Higher level stuff too. Pathology. Step 1 review for basic sciences is teh perfect level review text. I actually have a chance.
I am sad that more students don't.
I am sad that Med isn't a graduate only degree.
I am sad that our degrees aren't 4 year degrees with breadth requirement.
I am sad that the people responsible for grading cannot tell which students have worked hard on their papers and don't see fit to reward the hard work of intelligent people - and help people understand the sorts of things they need to see for better grades (where that isn't just 'parrot back to me this piece of mis-information that I just told you about equity or about population ill-health or about unhealthy food and whose to blame' and so on politial b*llsh*t...)It's an experiment in whether hierarchical people can evolve into something... Productive... With educated people with technology and with culture and so on...
Whether it is imperialistic / colonial (in a bad way) to try and enforce values like freedom, equality, and justice for all.
Maybe people can produce things sustainably within a society that is not free, equal, and where there is no clear statement of justice (either becuase things update with no record - like oral tradition pre-writing or where writing is constantly revised with no timestamp)...
Maybe it would be uncessarily imperialistic / colonial to think that equality, freedom, justice are 'better' than alternatives.
Maybe the Maaori culture will develop from a different set of values and will end up with high-end co-operativity (or slave arrangements) that produce rockets to the moon (or to Australia) or whatever. Secure internet connections.
We can apply for a greencard lottery from here. I guess that's the best you can do. I think you need 6 months or maybe 1 years funds so as to be financially not a burden on arrival (fair enough) but really..
What more can you do for the people??
sigh.
sigh.
I can't belive I discovered the american dream. lol.
Still... A lot of people want to to go America not for what they can do for America but more for what America can do for them... People want the stuff they see on TV...
But all the things that are involved in it's production. The laws and regulations and the system of accountability. For education and for medicine...
I want to help contribute towards teh best in the world. The development of civilisation at athe fronteir.
REinventing the wheel for people who refuse to look at the blueprints countless people have made and made free-f*ck*ng-ware of the axle... isn't my idea of fun.
arrrrrgh
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:17:40
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:17:05
except the 3 post rule.
ahem.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:40:58
In reply to Re: games, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:17:40
that is why it means something to me that Bob is reluctant to make alterations to the posts on this site.
i do understand that the way things are in europe and the us right now the focus is more in 'individual rights' and the idea that the best way forwards for individual rights is for each individual to have control of the content they produce...
but different individuals have different kinds of control over the content they have produced.
sometimes the best way you have of controlling it the way you want -- is for you to give it to someone else.
for example,
someone from the VC's office sent me an email that i am sure they greatly regret. i can no longer find it in my inbox! that is odd! maybe gmail grants some kind of administrator priority to business customers, or similar!
fortunately, i forwarded the email to various parties...
which meant i had alternative record of it so i can continue to site it (with reference to the time and date i received it).
i have noticed that. emails from administration are revised... the solution seems to be to spam a paper trail... forward things, extensively quote things, keep spamming the paper trail...
in a country where rules and regulations are not readily accessible. where rules and regulations are often not stated in clauses intended to be simple with numbers so it is easy to refer to particular sections...
in a country where whatever the biggest mob (or person with power to prevent things from going to the mob) gets their way...
the idea of a permanent record.
if people respond you can see what they are responding to.
there is no baiting then someone takes the bait and then the bait is removed. then the person baited get slammed. 'crazy'. irrational response from out of the blue.
permanent record.
there are goods and ills of both systems... synthesise them...
spamming to the permanent record is what is needed here now given teh way things are here now. for me.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:46:23
In reply to Re: revision, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:40:58
the Maaori culture was based on oral tradition.
you don't write down who owns what, who made what, who owes what to who...
you have the orator of the tribe. a firstborn male or something. they remember. they will remember. they will decide.
you can see the pros and cons of this system - right?
you can see how it could well lead to people stopping producing because the biggest bully will take the product and if the orator says that's okay then what you gonna do? wait until you grow into being a bigger bully?
so you could have a written record and that would be progress...
but how about a written record that you can alter whenever... you... want. whoever you are.
that'd be handy - right?
so we have a culture becoming more willing to embrace the written word.
written on software systems...
we still haven't invented paper.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:51:16
In reply to Re: revision, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:46:23
and the 'laws' or 'rules' are... conversational.
with multiple versions and infinite variations. permutations.
fertile ground for various interpretations...
so it is hard to access a definitive, unaltered, authorative version...
and i guess we think we are better off as a society or culture living like this than having clear rules and a system of justice.
i guess the bullies like things this way.
and so there's a lot of full grown elephants, about, doing the thing they do when they were staked when they were little.
the learned helplessness thing you beat into people.
telling them various things are 'culturally inappropriate' for them (things like reading, writing, arithmetic). things like chemistry, mathematics, physics.
and then other people (the ones we love, apparently) get told to fake it till they make it and take what you can when you can because you'll have got whatever it is that was any good and left before anybody else figures you out!
and people don't have realistic self assessment.
and if people do nobody listens to them becuase everyone spouts a constant stream of garbage...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:57:33
In reply to Re: revision, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:51:16
i am just really tired of finding some combination of incompetent / corrupt people in positions of power over me.
especially when they could simply choose to work together for a greater good. but they don't. they choose to bicker and squabble and bitch and moan and gossip between and amongst each other.
and i just see these puppies squabbling and fighting for the 'prime' place at the centre of the pack.
and i wonder why they don't want to be part of something greater. something better. something more productive. something where people are pleasant to each other and contribute and so on. why they gotta be oppositional and ripping things down and holding things up?
i don't need them to 'want' to help me. just do their f*ck*ng job is all. just do their f*ck*ng job.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:08:55
In reply to Re: revision, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 21:57:33
suppose you live in a country where people are hierarchical and competitive rather than cooperative...
then you would need to be careful about privacy when / while you try and figure things out.
because people will only use information about your sensitivies / weaknesses in order to better exploit you.
it is tiresome.
lowest levels.
the people are generally worse at the lowest levels.
the worst of the people in charge of research are dumped on the graduate students. since the graduate students are the lowest down the hierarchy... and so on...
i guess...
i am close.
or they wouldn't be being so nasty to me.
that seems to be the idea.
they must really be concerned that I'm amazing when they start flunking me out and lying about my GPA and submission date and application to enrol date and so on...
the bigger the lies they tell...
the better i must be.
sigh.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:16:05
In reply to Re: revision, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:08:55
i was surprised at how my 'friends' turned on me.
saying my thesis was rubbish.
before reading it.
then denying it.
then being like 'well you failed stuff as WELTEC too'
'youve been really mixed in recent years'because of the level of corruption / ineptitude of those in positions of power.
that's f*ck*ng well why.
i mean...
i had no head injury between funded offers to study PhD at every institution I applied to in Australia and first year population health essay on an aspect of equity.
i had no head injury between that and sport science at tech.
with friends like that who need enemies?
they prefer to think of themselves as better than me - which is why they have more. they didn't think that the only reason why i've had nothing in this country over the last however many years was because of injustice.
they think they work hard / work harder than me -- but I've lived with them and see how hard they work and seen how much they insist on me stopping my work and interacting more with / hanging out more with them -- and they have no f*ck*ng idea of how hard I have worked.
and then they want to start up about how i must be stupid then.
and i think about how often i have to slow the truck down and make explicit the 2 or 3 or 4 steps that went between a and e or whatever...
and i'm done.
with friends like this...
i guess it's because...
i don't f*ck*ng care anymore.
honestly.
i don't f*ck*ng care anymore.
i'm done working hard on trying to understand things and people that are the result of people nd peoples actions when adn where they simply don' tthink, at all, and profit and continue to profit from their thoughtlessness.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:40:15
In reply to Re: revision, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:16:05
and i guess that's just the story they tell themselves because it helps the world see a little more just and it's easier to live in a world where things appear to be just.
it's a... shifting... that is required for them to think that i am competent, after all.
and perhaps a shift for me.
i suppose many of the kids will have been trained in 'get on in there' and so on. i will have to try and find the right balance. try and find grad entry people who got in under competitive entry. try and find a group who are interested in studying for USMLE. try and figure out the timeline... by myself if I have to... it would be really rather better to not be totally alone in doing that...
i am procrastinating the final touches on the thesis...
it has been hard. a mixed year. times of... nothing. crying in bed procrastination. becuase that is required as part of my process. then times of intensely focused work over an extended time period. bursts and fits.
more recently there was a period of forced inactivity over the break... and then a period of... strategic inactivity. coming to a plan.
the university refused to grade the thesis in accordance with calendar regulations. they should have said it was accepted subject to revisions to be completed within 10 weeks. but they didn't do that. instead, they decided that since i submitted 'early' they would just say 'you are required to keep working on it for at least 6 months'. only... 30 weeks work is an academic year and i worked on it for 27 before submitting...
only... they didn't enrol me on time, either. and so they are trying to deny i did 8 weeks of work. but the calendar regulations are that they need to have enroled me within a month after i applied. they tried to deny my application date, too. they time stamp altered it so it was late!
incompetence after incompetence after incompetence...
i need it to be non-controverally 30 weeks of work on my behalf.
there were reccommendations for changes by the examiners...
my supervisor was like 'i think you should sit in the corner and have a cry about how extensive the changes are and how hard it will be and how you might fail!'
and i was like 'i don't think that will help'.
every time she finds 15 typos she seems to think she has found a months work for me (more like a few hours).
trying to think about what is 'reasonable' work to give them...
after the intentionally f*ck*d me over. that's the thing.
but once it is done i will never have to do anything for them ever again.
and they know it. and so are using their opportunity to make my life as hellish as possible.
i actually thought they might be nice to me. might hope i get to study med. train to be a specialist. come back to the region and work in the local hospital. may be able to help them, one day.
but they chose they would rather bet against me and do their damned-est to have me fail.
it's not personal. it's just their way.
because they would rather be the head of their hierarchy and live their nasty short and bruish lives. sigh.
to each their own.
if only.
anyway... they aren't extensive changes.
i just imagine my supervisor and the head of the research school, though... them being all stern and so on about it. it's them. i don't want to work for them. i don't want to give them my work. i don't want to have interaction with them, at all. awful people. being awful to me.
i guess they like that. to think that they don't get much work done - and neither does anybody else in their vicinity. nobody gives them good work.
only by stealth submission, that's for sure.
you can see the overly processed stifled turn of phrase that comes from... sufficiently kept graduate students. how they say next to nothing. emptied of meaning. until their supervisors are smug and self satisfied that they knocked any originality or anything delightful well out. any kind of youthful enthusiam or love of learnign or knowledge or....
awful people.
it only really needs... a few days. if that. a day. maybe two. given how much i can get done in a day. maybe only one.
the thing is i mostly don't want to change anything at all. that will only likely introduce typos.
it's about...
that awful thing of 'let me google that for you' to add references. that's what academia has been reduced to, these days. people handily have precisely whatever it is that you said in their title, these days, even. sigh.
only it won't be. becuase i've actually picked up the phrases from peoples talks, mostly. and mostly talks were derived from papers or from papers they read and so on.
they didn't make kripke reference. or quine. most people who have things to say don't reference.
anyway... i know what to do / what needs to be done.
i got a lot of research doen when i was an undergraduate. largely because there was no undergrauate research school committee head people supervisory people of that to stick their bloody oars in and slow things down to a f*ck*ng stop. i see that now.
hey, when you can't get any research done you know i'ts your calling in life to make sure nobody else does, either - right?
and when you can't get registration to practive medicine it's probably time to go teaching and / or admin.
sigh.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:59:03
In reply to Re: procrastination, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:40:15
and now i feel bad because i said it only required maybe a few days...
because the thing is it's about looking after my supervisor - saying whatever it is that she wants me to say, because she's required to sign it off.
so she's enjoying the power she thinks she has.
but she wants me to have a breakdown about how much work needs to be done.
only it's really not a lot of work.
the first examiner did their job really well. with respect to showing my supervisor how to supervise a thesis. with respect to starting off with questions about the nature of the project. the scope of the project. to find a project around the right size so the depth / breadth was good for the size it was going to be. then questions about readings again for depth / breadth. then into more questions / critiques for each of the chapters. then sentences that were problematic. bits that needed reference / to be toned down. typos.
of course that doesn't mean that my whole project is crap and i have to start over. that doesn't mean my project is at the wrong focus. that doesn't mean that my reading wasn't sufficient.
these are the sorts of questions that would come up in an oral defense -- that the universtiy is too cheap to fund. but these are the standard questions that my supervisor should have been asking of me along the way... she didn't.. but i know how these things go... i can defend my thesis along these lines... my thesis doesn't need altering along these lines...
but my supervisor thinks i should take these on board and cry in teh corner.
she has become my worst enemy. she turned out to be a total flake. i can't carry her through this. she is paid to help me. or at least to not get in my way i would have thought... i can't sit with her crying in the corner about it. sorry. go find some other elephant who you can find to induce guilt...
while you collect your paycheck every week.
no sympathy.
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the larger questions most often missed the point. intentionally mischaracterised me. it's a common bully sort of tactic in philosophy discussion time. i think the idea, really, is that it is an invitation to clarify a point that may be missed by a less careful reader. Sometimes an invitation to spell out some of the ramifications or consequences for something that seems actually important or interesting that others may have missed. The short answer, then, would be for me in a oral defence to defent it. To say 'read the intro again where I say what the point of that was' or whatever.
Also with the 'link things better because I"m lost' remark. The point of a written introduction (rather than spoken) is that the reader can re-read it to themselves at their very own pace as many times as they need to. I encourage the reader to put a f*ck*ng bookmark in the introduction if they find themselves gettting lost.
I know many theses are very litle content with very much repetition at the start and end of every chapter and very much repetition between all of the bits. I think the reader may be a little smarter than this, however, and I implore the reader to try and follow along and book mark the intro if you need to.
I do think science has made me smarter.
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More references. Sure. That bit is colloquial. Sure. Typos here there and everywehre. Sure.
I didn't just work on it for 27 weeks. They made me work on it for 2 more weeks after submitting (conned me into it, honestly, with the promise it wouldn't hold up the grading). So that's 30 weeks right there.
And I didn't work normal working days. Iniitally I wasn't thinking of it as 'weeks' I was thinking of 120 points as 1200 hours of work. And thinking the hours junior doctors work and labour law violations and so I worked f*ck*ng long hours to get it done...
I've laboured on it for more focused hours than any MPhil they have passed before, I bet.
It is at the point where more time makes it differnt and not better. Just shuffling typos around.
It's more about working my way into... Probably 1 or 2 days on it.
And my supervisor will have a cow about that.
But if I listen to my supervisor and do what she wants... I'll still be her MPhil student 10 years from now throwing another years worth of money at the University while she laments my stupidity and slowness while collecting up her paycheck every week.
SO I guess I'll just let her have a cry in the corner. And she can console herslef with her paycheck.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 23:05:51
In reply to Re: procrastination, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 22:59:03
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww she had 4 classes she was teaching last semester and one of them was a whole new course she chose to write for the semester so she didn't hvae time to be more obstructive around the time of my thesis submission.
it didn't occur to her to contract out any of her teaching work?
i know heaps of graduate philosphy people who would do anything anything anything for a job in philosophy!
but they don't get to work in philosophy because there isn't any philosophy jobs for them.
the people who have the jobs in philosophy aren't makeing journals of their best students work (they prefer to beat them out of working) they aren't making journals of their own work (they prefer to have too much teaching) they aren't hiring post-docs or more lecturers...
no.
i have no sympathy when i see what they have chosen to do to the subject in NZ.
they have pretty much killed it. with all of their infighting bickering squabbling and petty petty ways.
it's just not fun, anymore.
but at least they get paid. right?
that's why people are still in philosophy.
becuase of the people.
because they pay them.
living the dream.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 23:21:21
In reply to Re: procrastination, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 23:05:51
It's because biology people are the fastest to finish. The culture in biology (with biotechnology) is that you get done with your thesis in the minimum time. It's a really big deal.
But the philosophy people are probably the slowest to finish, especially in NZ. People get sucked into making their PhD their lifes work instead of the idea of getting through your PhD swiftly so you are getting paid to do your lifes work. Mostly because people are led to believe that there won't be jobs or university affiliation for them if they finish, but if they stay PhD students they can get a succession of teaching work and an office and the undergraduates will think they are lecturers / professors / they can't tell the difference, anyway!
I would imagine the biology students piss off to overseas PhDs quick smart after honours.
Arts students are encouraged to spend 2 years doing a 1 year Master's research degree so they can take their time... Blah blah blah excuses... Blah blah...
We typically don't acknowledge that we have forced them back to part time status and the degree doesn't count towards GPA (but then we do this to the very best students)...
Then give them a worse grade for the MA than we did for their Honours work...
But it doesn't count because it was only part time.
But it's the beginning of the end.
I guess the idea is to split as soon after graduation as possible.
Because that's the start of the swampy swamp swamp.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 27, 2019, at 17:18:07
In reply to clash, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2019, at 23:21:21
because i see they try the exact same thing on with the junior doctors. come out the end of your degree and then you are supposed to take just one more year before you can apply for specialist training. only, i think maybe it is actually just one more again. so two more years. but actually no, i think there is just one more other year that you need to do as well before you can apply to specialist training. so that's three years. just three more years after your one year. and you practically will be the head of the unit! the most senior person in the whole hospital! after just 3 years of workign in the hospital after finishing your degree. you will be practically an orthopedic surgical consultant! insoar as your people can tell. and it's because of your sheer and utter brilliance that you got all the way there when you are only, like, 23 or 24 years old.
i do understand.
i suppose i am learning, doing this.
i suppose i am learning stuff i will likely need to return to.
because mostly here is a culture of bullies. that is the kiwi way. if you don't know the procedure for standing up to the bullies then it is impossible.
i cry at the opportunity cost to new zealand of things being the way they are... hierarchical and competitive and people taking what htey can when tehy can at other peoples expense if at all possible. i suppose i appreciate that most places are mostly like this. there are little pockets... little pockets of things being different. often only temporary because psychopaths infiltrate and ruin things for everyone. but sometimes there are clever systems. i guess that's partly what good administrative law is. we don't really do law, here.
if i don't hear back from the VC's within 3 working days to say what procedure they are following and when is reasonable for me to hear back then I need to go to the Ombusdman. I don't know after that...
Seeing about moving back to Auckland in temporary accommodation. I suppose I will need to get used to that. Because they ship you various places for sections.
Living with others temporarily could be good if there is a common ends. But people tend to be hierarchical and competitive and constrantly trying to get another to give up their own ends and be a slave towards them obtaining theirs.
So...
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It is jealousy. Just get it done and get out.
And it was jealousy I felt before... Why I didn't want to be friends with the people who were doing Med.
I didn't like that in myself - I didn't anything nasty to them or mean to them or intentionally cold or dismissive or whatever...
It's just...
Well...
Back to that thing, again. Like how I used to smoke really rather a lot. And I realised that anybody who I might potentially want to be with (as in a good life partner) would not want to be with me / would not be attracted to me / would not like me. Because anyone... Worthy? I guess... Would not be able to be close to someone who was so obviously self-loathing / self-destructive.
Who would want to be my friend when I'm being continually failed and denied and declined and kicked back and so on...
Who could handle that?
I don't mean in small doses...
But generally, the only people who have wanted to be closer to me in more recent years are people... Vultures. Circling the carrion...
I need to remember... When I feel sad for / sorry for these people and I feel tempted to slow down and help them...
If they situation was reversed they would not look back.
If they see opportunity to kick at me, they will take it, with glee.
Minimse time spent.
Act professionally.
Don't treat your 'friends'.
YOu wouldn't be sufficiently 'objective' and so they would probably be worse off.
I see.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 27, 2019, at 17:36:43
In reply to Re: clash, posted by alexandra_k on January 27, 2019, at 17:18:07
minimise time spent.
which is, of course, why genuine and genuinely caring people are desperate to get the kids they love expediated out and away as quickly as possible.
for the opportunity of a better life.
and often more particularly so when their kids are sensitive and trusting and kind and so on.
i really hope things come through for me.
i do not want my lifes contribution in this hell-hole to be losing international accreditation for universities and medical schools.
wanangas all around.kamakaze...
when there is no other way out.
some people internalise (suicide) and other externalise.
i see.
i suppose i wouldn't have looked into the US system if it wasn't for all that.
my biggest problem is in trusting people and other people seeing that i'm trusting and seeing that they can lie to me and bully and manipulate me by suggesting / insinuating / outright accusing me of being a nasty / bad / unthinking person. I need to remember that it's a variable behavior thing they are doing from panic / fear and any rise at all is a reinforcer for them. there's often very little intent. rationality.
i see why someone was obsessed with zombies...
consciousness... morality...
some of the bigger / more foundational / fundamental things... when you start to apprehend them they start to see linked. and when people are unable to apprehend one... they seem to be unable to apprehend another... the questions... trying to have a tractable methodology... i don't know... this doesn't make much sense.
anyway...
tidying things up... a few days... then it will be done.
i feel like... feeling upset / scared or whatever would be a victory for them. they want me to feel these ways. that's often how they feel. they can't hendle it very well. they want to induce it in me and see how i handle it and maybe they can learn from that / discover a better way.
my way is to not allow the feelings to get a grip of me, in the first place.
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most of the advice on how to finish a thesis / disseratation is precisely opposite and upside down and back to front and so on. they go on about how what you need is social supports and so on. but the only people who will want to 'support' you if you aren't working to time is the vultures attracted to the carrion.
what you need to do really is get the hell away from the other people who are only likely to be dragging you down...
minimise time spent.
sure, mutually beneficial collabotarive... but you drag that up from someone who decides to drag their heels... put a bunch of people who can't write together to write and likely they'll conjure up 2x the excuses and the excuses will multiply so more like 3x the excuses for even less work.
the recipe for 10+ years...
anyway... it is done.
i am learning the puine salvage pathway. because when i learn a bit it is like 'yay, i've learned it, i've done something productive'.
make the concrete changes...
get it done.
i did my work in the face of nobody else doing theirs. nobody else, at all. not a single person in the university did what the calendar said they should. not a single one.
(except library staff and one guy over in comp sci went out of his way to offer LaTeX support)
Posted by alexandra_k on January 27, 2019, at 17:50:29
In reply to Re: clash, posted by alexandra_k on January 27, 2019, at 17:36:43
but there weren't calendar rules on library staff or on computer support for computer science students (or students from other faculties who think that maybe the computer science people might know how to offer computer support)...
maybe it is supposed to be a lesson in how you cannot do certain things when the structures are not there.
the structures are not there in the public sector in this country.
yeah.
the structures are not there in the pubic sector in this country.
that is why they want to not have hospitals. because they are that disfunctional. like how the universities are that dysfunctional.
so it is about my handing in the hardcopy of the thesis.
i wasn't sure, before. i wasn't sure how i shuold stand up for myself. i was afraid that if i kept working without them signing off on the work i'd done then they were taking me for a chump and what was the difference between me doing that and someone still doing that 10 years later...
and it seemed like the next step was them saying they accepted it and giving me a new deadline on making the changes (within 10 weeks) but they wouldn't... they made up some bogus thing that is not an outcome of assessment -- they actually need to deliver an outcome of assessment in reasonable time.
but i see, now, that i just hand the f*ck*ng thing in in hardcopy. and then it is done. that is basically it.
they accept it (they get a thesis from me) or they don't accept it (they don't get a thesis from me -- i appeal that because it is manifestly false that it isn't good enough).
so the difference is only in handing it in, in hardcopy.
it is worse than it would have been if they had have done their job.
becuase you can't force slaves to work.
and by not acknowledging the work i did in a timely fashion they knocked the part of me that gives a f*ck well out.
which they seem to take to be their job, really. i'm sure that's just glorious for them. yes, i feel like you do. you managed to induce that feeling in me. well done. victory is yours. you paid it forwards. well done. i'm so glad you got to be head of graduate research so as to make it infinitely more likely that inspired and motivated and brilliant graduates will go out into the world and contribute greatly and the reputation will grow for the wonderful graduates we produce.
or... we can just sit around sh*t sh*t sh*t sh*t sh*t it's all sh*t. yes, you are the head of the sh*tty sh*t for all the sh*tty sh*t that the people produce around you.
f*ck*ng horrible people.
still, they get paid well.
if they really didn't like it they could probably afford for the greencard lottery, so i won't feel too bad for them.
they don't know how to work to time.
but given the number of people who want jobs... i simply do not understand why they refuse to hire the competent ones.
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