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Posted by beckett2 on October 23, 2018, at 16:17:37
The smoke never completely vanishes. We've had a cool summer in the redwoods thank the stars. I was harrowed by last year's extremes of 111° F plus.
Microplastics were found in human stools last week. The Guardian has another article about scientific intervention in the atmosphere. Injecting sulfur dioxide? If we survive as a species, I can't imagine our life spans will reach 99 yo as a Norwegian WWII commando's did. He led a successful raid on a nazi power plant. If you care to read: https://tinyurl.com/y7bukt3n. The raid was pretty exciting stuff.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 25, 2018, at 1:45:33
In reply to climate refugees, posted by beckett2 on October 23, 2018, at 16:17:37
it costs money to dispose of plastic responsibly. people will pay for things like shampoos and conditioners, body lotions and cosmetics and food. it seems like a good idea to grind up the plastics and put them in the stuff people buy to help make up the weight / volume and decrease costs of disposing of plastic responsibly - doesn't it?
i'm not surprised.
that's the trouble with pig farming, i guess. pigs will eat anything (doesn't mean they should). and you have all kinds of may contain traces of pork mystery meat which often include things like... pink plastic. or maybe that was a once off contamination thing... pigs... that was how people used to dispose of people. maybe the islamic folk are onto something when they try and steer clear of pork... something about top hat convenience foods and A2 milk, even...
ugh.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 25, 2018, at 1:50:15
In reply to Re: climate refugees, posted by alexandra_k on October 25, 2018, at 1:45:33
cellulose (wood chips):
https://www.thestreet.com/slideshow/12795044/1/10-brands-put-wood-their-food.html
and plastic beads, of course.
that's how come we have so many nutritionally deprived i mean obese i mean nutritionally deprived i mean obese individuals...
nobody knows that these things are bad...
but everybody thinks these things are best fed to *other people*.
sigh.
Posted by sigismund on October 25, 2018, at 18:03:03
In reply to Re: climate refugees, posted by alexandra_k on October 25, 2018, at 1:50:15
You know, I was listening to a Late Night Live program yesterday and this was going on more than a hundred years ago. Woodchips.
It's like asbestos. In the late 1890s there was a British royal commission concluding it was very bad for the lungs. 70 years later they were using it as road base for schools. It compacts very well when wet. Not so good when it blows about.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 6:34:26
In reply to Re: climate refugees » alexandra_k, posted by sigismund on October 25, 2018, at 18:03:03
Yeah, it's inhaling the asbestos fibres that's not good. They are so tiny they get inhaled very deep indeed into the little air sacks (alveoli) of the lungs. Then the body recognises they are foreign particles and it sets off an inflammation response where it tries to wall off the offending matter which makes nodules that grow and... Well... Kill you, eventually.
I think asbestos isn't so much a problem if you just leave it in the walls, right where you found it, or similar. It's just a problem when you want to do construction work and start wanting to cut it or whatever then you need to try and protect against inhaling these tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny little particles...
It's a problem in natural disaster too, of course.
But if we don't hide it in building walls and floors then whatever will we do with it? Cheap insulation for *other people's* kids. Surely...
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 6:37:30
In reply to Re: climate refugees » sigismund, posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 6:34:26
with the woodchips i worry about what the wood has been treated with, first.
i don't have a bed base in my current house, because my current house does not have a problem with humidity and moisture / condensation is not forming under the mattress, at all.
(don't get me started on what they put in mattresses and things like... breast cancer)...
i was looking into bed bases and thinking i could make something like a slat base myself and so looking into timber... and they were saying about not putting outdoor timber indoors because of what it's been treated with...
hmm...
indoor (apprarently untreated) timber was significantly more expensive...
then i guess you have horses and the like who take to chewing wood... or maybe they learned the hard way about that over generations already...
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 6:41:43
In reply to Re: climate refugees » alexandra_k, posted by sigismund on October 25, 2018, at 18:03:03
http://www.nzwood.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/itmtimbertreatment.pdf
mmmmmm boron. delicious.
Posted by beckett2 on October 29, 2018, at 15:03:56
In reply to Re: climate refugees, posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 6:41:43
What is this about wood chips in buildings or roads?
Asbestos killed my father.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 20:04:36
In reply to Re: climate refugees » alexandra_k, posted by beckett2 on October 29, 2018, at 15:03:56
in food:
https://www.cornucopia.org/2017/11/brief-history-wood-pulp-food/
sorry about your Father.
Posted by beckett2 on October 30, 2018, at 14:53:43
In reply to Re: climate refugees, posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 20:04:36
> in food:
>
> https://www.cornucopia.org/2017/11/brief-history-wood-pulp-food/
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> sorry about your Father.So that's the thing with diet white bread. There's an article about banning the use of fracking waste water for organic farming.
It's willful ignorance and outright lying, all of it. I no longer believe any climate denier and frackists.
Although I did have a geologist instructor who said organic was hogwash because everything is organic chemicals. I believe he believed. But more oppositional defiance disorder.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 31, 2018, at 18:35:14
In reply to Re: climate refugees » alexandra_k, posted by beckett2 on October 30, 2018, at 14:53:43
Actually, now that I think on it, I suppose it is possible that asbestos killed my Father, too. He was a builder. Residential low rise houses. He may have done sawing of asbestos boards or whatever over the years. Then things don't feel right and smoking becomes a way of numbing the region.
It's hard to believe in many of the words used in the food production industry because there are a lack of laws around appropriate vs inappropriate use of certain terms. And / or there is a lack of regulation where people regularly take independent samples or do factory or farm on site insepections to ensure compliance.
We have this problem in New Zealand where people (often by way of a small start up) claim to be producing a product that is superior with respect to quality in some way which is supposed to justify why we would pay premium price for their product.
For example 'organic' carrots (that aren't treated with chemicals that means surface weeds require them to be manually harvested which is labour intensive). milk that comes from a single source (a particular farm that doesn't use fertiliser on the fields). So on... 'Free range eggs' that come from 'smaller flock sizes' where the chickens have access to scratch litter and can roam outside...
And then it turns out that they are a subsidary of some monopoly and the product is simply a sample from some bigger, already pooled supply chain. So there is no difference in the product. It was just a way of extracting more money out of people for same-old product.
But it was also a way of undermining any smaller scale producers who just want to produce a smaller amount of product well, at a fair price, so they have a decent way of life for themselves. They are forced out of business either because people refuse to pay more for their premium product (because the lable lisencing and internet website promotion is all b*llsh*t) or (if they don't agree to allow surplus production to be produced by one of the bigger companies) they are forced out of business some other way.
That appears to be what growth is. Growing a smaller business to be eaten by the large one. Feeding the board of directors, primarily.
I don't know what 'organic' is supposed to mean.
Information so people can make an informed decision would be good. That's how come local is best, typically. Because you are more likely to be able to assess the production process. If local people (people who consume the product) are involved in the production of the product and so on, you are more likely to have a concern with quality.
If you are working for some nameless distant person who doesn't pay you a living wage you are more likely to be spitting (or worse) in teh food...
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