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Posted by beckett2 on September 20, 2018, at 19:48:07
I read in the Guardian, I think, that Morrison really like trump. Came across this today https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/20/scott-morrison-rejects-ama-plea-to-bring-children-from-nauru-to-australia?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Politics+AU+-+Collection&utm_term=286105&subid=25556423&CMP=aupolitics_collection
I don't understand the parliamentary system and 'no confidence'. Is it that Morrison was a tie-breaker in AMA request to bring minors to the mainland for treatment?
We've siphoned money from the Coast Guard of all places to fund more tent cities for minors :(
Posted by sigismund on September 21, 2018, at 15:30:03
In reply to Scott Morrison, posted by beckett2 on September 20, 2018, at 19:48:07
I guess you understand that in the Westminster System (is it?) the equivalent of the President and all the ministers are members of either the House of Representatives or the Senate. The PM must come from the House.
The government will fall if the budget cannot be passed or if a motion of no confidence in the PM or government is passed. The Senate has limited powers in this regard.
NZ ditched its upper house and introduced proportional representation. Like Germany? We have compulsory voting, preferential for the House and proportional for the Senate.
I don't know about Canada.
The election will be in May next year at the latest, or as soon as the government loses an important vote in the House.
Scott was described as looking like a man who walked out of an 80s lawn mower advertisement. I thought that was kind.
Posted by sigismund on September 21, 2018, at 15:32:29
In reply to Scott Morrison, posted by beckett2 on September 20, 2018, at 19:48:07
>We've siphoned money from the Coast Guard of all places to fund more tent cities for minors :(
Outsourcing is good for business. It is important to help those who can help themselves blah blah blah you know the drill.
Posted by beckett2 on September 23, 2018, at 23:40:07
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 21, 2018, at 15:32:29
> >We've siphoned money from the Coast Guard of all places to fund more tent cities for minors :(
>
> Outsourcing is good for business. It is important to help those who can help themselves blah blah blah you know the drill.
This is what I read about Morrison and trump: https://tinyurl.com/yapyn5du
Posted by sigismund on September 24, 2018, at 2:00:05
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on September 23, 2018, at 23:40:07
Yeah, I read that. Everyone gets it except the corporate Democrats. Well, all very depressing with the continual sensation of low intensity dread.
(With all the trees we have been colonised by so many beautiful birds, many of which I'd never seen before. A nice sense of aesthetic humility. Life should be better than this.)
An acquaintance remarked that politicians here speak about the public as if they are not part of it. (20 years behind!) No one would be in any doubt about Trump not being part of the public. it's more like 'Hard working mums and dads care about their power bills, not climate change'. I suppose they have their focus groups? Fortunately the Liberals have had it for a good while. The extreme right seems to be fracturing. Anyone who can believe HC represents the left (identity politics) seems to have missed a bit of history.
Posted by beckett2 on September 25, 2018, at 0:35:16
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 24, 2018, at 2:00:05
You do have so many beautiful birds.
Moderate intensity dread here. Came across this interview that starts with the wildcat teacher strikes, then ends on a dreadful note.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-A76FtooqQ&t=6s&frags=pl%2Cwn
Very true about pillow fights by the way.
> Yeah, I read that. Everyone gets it except the corporate Democrats. Well, all very depressing with the continual sensation of low intensity dread.
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> (With all the trees we have been colonised by so many beautiful birds, many of which I'd never seen before. A nice sense of aesthetic humility. Life should be better than this.)
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> An acquaintance remarked that politicians here speak about the public as if they are not part of it. (20 years behind!) No one would be in any doubt about Trump not being part of the public. it's more like 'Hard working mums and dads care about their power bills, not climate change'. I suppose they have their focus groups? Fortunately the Liberals have had it for a good while. The extreme right seems to be fracturing. Anyone who can believe HC represents the left (identity politics) seems to have missed a bit of history.
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Posted by sigismund on September 25, 2018, at 13:48:01
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on September 25, 2018, at 0:35:16
There is a radical right insurgency here. They might call themselves conservatives, or it might be that white identity politics thing. This is the point for the Murdoch press and similar people.
60 years ago it more hierarchical and there was more social responsibility and concern for the commonwealth, albeit condescending as you would expect.
The insurgents attack the ABC as elitist and leftist. The right is angry perhaps out of envy? Here, I mean.
There was a 9 year old girl who refused to stand for Advance Australia Fair. It's a pretty dreadful settler thingo. "Australians all let us rejoice for we are young and free'. And she decided this was not true. She was attacked for being divisive, which she was, insisting on the truth when so many prefer lies. She wrote an oped in the Saturday Paper. Feels like The Emperors New Clothes.
Posted by sigismund on September 25, 2018, at 13:49:59
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 25, 2018, at 13:48:01
The ABC is elitist and leftist because it talks about ideas.
This is the road the book burning.
Posted by sigismund on September 25, 2018, at 14:34:31
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 25, 2018, at 13:48:01
>There was a 9 year old girl who refused to stand for Advance Australia Fair. It's a pretty dreadful settler thingo. "Australians all let us rejoice for we are young and free'. And she decided this was not true. She was attacked for being divisive, which she was, insisting on the truth when so many prefer lies. She wrote an oped in the Saturday Paper. Feels like The Emperors New Clothes.
60 years ago it didn't feel like lies. 40 yeas ago it was Gough Whitlam, one of our best, who gave us Advance Australia Fiar. I preferred God Save the Queen. Especially.....
O Lord our God arise
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall
Confound their politics
Frustrate their knavish tricks
On Thee our hopes we fix
God save us allCrackers and paranoid. I love it.
The sound of the races over a wireless on a Saturday afternoon in a deserted country town with 3 pubs and some drunks. That should be our national anthem.
It never occurred to anyone that they might have had a superior culture. And the land was empty. They had gone. But where?
In Cusco a wonderful. sceptical and cynical Spanish teacher said to me when we talked of this....'Well, you killed them all, didn't you?' I mentioned diseases, being careful to make no excuses. He also said
'I want to make a dignified exit from the planet'.
'What do you mean?'
'I don't want to end up begging on the streets'.I loved him saying that....Quiero salir de esta planeta con dignidad.
Posted by beckett2 on September 26, 2018, at 1:50:37
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 25, 2018, at 14:34:31
> >There was a 9 year old girl who refused to stand for Advance Australia Fair. It's a pretty dreadful settler thingo. "Australians all let us rejoice for we are young and free'. And she decided this was not true. She was attacked for being divisive, which she was, insisting on the truth when so many prefer lies. She wrote an oped in the Saturday Paper. Feels like The Emperors New Clothes.
>
> 60 years ago it didn't feel like lies. 40 yeas ago it was Gough Whitlam, one of our best, who gave us Advance Australia Fiar. I preferred God Save the Queen. Especially.....
> O Lord our God arise
> Scatter her enemies
> And make them fall
> Confound their politics
> Frustrate their knavish tricks
> On Thee our hopes we fix
> God save us all
>
> Crackers and paranoid. I love it.
>
> The sound of the races over a wireless on a Saturday afternoon in a deserted country town with 3 pubs and some drunks. That should be our national anthem.
>
> It never occurred to anyone that they might have had a superior culture. And the land was empty. They had gone. But where?
>
> In Cusco a wonderful. sceptical and cynical Spanish teacher said to me when we talked of this....'Well, you killed them all, didn't you?' I mentioned diseases, being careful to make no excuses. He also said
> 'I want to make a dignified exit from the planet'.
> 'What do you mean?'
> 'I don't want to end up begging on the streets'.
>
> I loved him saying that....Quiero salir de esta planeta con dignidad.
>I would prefer God Save the Queen as well since there is a deep almost mystical reverence for royalty that was naked and honest, despite treachery and colonialism of all sorts, maybe containing a condescending benevolence, but al least some regard. Capitalism as it is just scrapes away at people until they are afraid they'll sleep under bridges. You should see the homeless indigents here, camped in bushes alongside the road, although when one is driving and minding the road, these encampments go unseen.
Does the Michael Moore clip include his thoughts on Flint, Michigan, where people discuss selling plasma to get by?
Like Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico, the water of Flint became importable, and both events shake my expectation of government benevolence, both events ignored by my government, Flint by Obama, and Puerto Rico by tRump. I'm positive he didn't know Puerto Ricans are American citizens.
The insurgency of the right is global it seems. Or at least western. China's surveillance net is harrowing.
Do you think climate change is already driving refugees? Then there is a western global panic over borders. The situation is out of control, the fear and panic. There is a German word that is untranslatable that expresses this sort of fear-- I'll see if I can find it.
This will be part of US legacy: https://tinyurl.com/ybwlm72k
Do you have a link to the girl's essay (in the papers)
Posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:22:41
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on September 26, 2018, at 1:50:37
This is the Saturday Paper and you can read it here. It seems you get one free article
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/contributor/harper-nielsenThe democratic circus of he anglospere and climate denialism? It's only here. Not in Germany, for example, and they have a coal industry. It's the sort of thing that gives democracy a bad name. Murdoch press? It's not in NZ. It was the climate denier Tony Abbott who gave us Border Force. He wanted to degrade us with his terrible imagination?
Yep, the plasma was in there. Have they decided that capitalism no longer needs people who can buy things and therefore there is no need to pay them? We will see how quickly the economic imperative translates into ideas. Will there be a war on the poor? I sense the beginnings of that. A lot of 'useless eaters'?
Puerto Rico I understand. Trump, island, ocean, weather, brown people, case closed. But Flint and Obama?
Turnbull, like Obama, never tired of trying to cooperate with the right. No matter what he gave, they wanted more.
I've been wanting to ask you. Remember that Supreme Court nomination Obama proposed that was blocked forever by McConnell? How was that possible?
I am sufficiently mean spirited to enjoy recalling this now.
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=740&ei=iNurW5SpEcTr-QbKk7eIAw&q=brett+kavanagh+refuses+to+shake+hands&oq=brett+kavanagh+refuses+to+shake+hands&gs_l=img.3...1477.17861.0.19840.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.0.0....0.Fz8l8Q7ftBQ#imgrc=bAPm3X2MxWgzOM:I don't have any idea of how class works in the US. Is that what that look on his face says?
Posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:28:01
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:22:41
It's actually enjoyable in a depraved kind of way. I'm thinking of BK's questioning of ML. (If I have that right!)
It was fun hearing how he remained a virgin until many years after university. Did he think that the confession of this great shame would prove his veracity? This is frat boys, right?
Posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:37:30
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:22:41
This is how class worked in the Australia in which I grew up. The father of a previous Liberal PM, Alexander Downer, was one of those Australians who ended up in Changi after the fall of Singapore. The officers tried to create diversions and education for the men. They were asked 'What can you teach?' Alexander Downer said, 'I can teach them to talk properly'.
Posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:49:53
In reply to Re: Scott Morrison, posted by sigismund on September 26, 2018, at 14:37:30
That should be 'speak properly'. I must be forgetting.
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