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Posted by zazenducke on April 18, 2012, at 11:47:10
http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/occupy-apa
Posted by ron1953 on April 18, 2012, at 13:50:29
In reply to Occupy the APA, posted by zazenducke on April 18, 2012, at 11:47:10
"normal" is a horrible concept in so many ways
Posted by free on April 18, 2012, at 18:13:22
In reply to Love it !, posted by ron1953 on April 18, 2012, at 13:50:29
> "normal" is a horrible concept in so many ways
I tried being normal once. Worst two minutes of my life. (Not my quote but my experience.)
I have learned to embrace my abnormal-ness over the years, and I am much happier for it.
"Boycott Normal" sounds like my kind of event! Maybe Dr.Bob will be there. :)
Posted by ron1953 on April 19, 2012, at 11:11:22
In reply to Re: Love it !, posted by free on April 18, 2012, at 18:13:22
> Maybe Dr.Bob will be there. :)Quite doubtful - I think "compliance" might be his middle name.
Posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2012, at 10:45:49
In reply to Re: Love it !, posted by ron1953 on April 19, 2012, at 11:11:22
I'm not so sure. He'll quite likely make an effort. One has so few opportunities to wear one's crown and scepter these days. I know I'm looking forward to wearing mine.
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> Quite doubtful - I think "compliance" might be his middle name.
Posted by SLS on April 21, 2012, at 2:29:28
In reply to Occupy the APA, posted by zazenducke on April 18, 2012, at 11:47:10
> http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/occupy-apa
What sort of "normality" is being referred to here that the APA actively promotes as part of their mission statement? What is the official APA definition of the word "normal" such that it should garner such disdain by the boycott promoters? I don't think we can go very far examining this idea without first describing how the word "normal" is conceptualized by the boycotters, and demonstrating that the APA uses this definition in its official or occult operations.
Where is Peter Breggin when you really need him?
- Scott
Posted by Willful on April 21, 2012, at 3:25:22
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » zazenducke, posted by SLS on April 21, 2012, at 2:29:28
I may be an exception, but I don't have any problem with the word normal, or the idea that the normal is essentially a type of norm.
And I'm not at all sure that anyone is normal, in the negative sense of the word--- a soul-dead, empty embracer of the status quo, with no imagination, empathy, or much wit. And at the same time, I think we all are as normal as it gets. What matters more is how kind, thoughtful and disciplined in one's goals one is. And that has nothing to do with normal or not normal at all, that I know.
Maybe we just make up this idea to torment outselves-- or to make ourselves feel better-- both-- and project it onto others whose inner lives we can't and don't try to imagine.
Plus I don't think the APA is a promoter of normality--- helping people in difficulties doesn't require any notion of normality to have some sort of goal And maybe systematizing a field leads to seeming denigration-- but maybe also it helps therapists who look for some twig to hold onto in the stream.
I don't know.
Willful
Posted by zazenducke on April 21, 2012, at 8:58:36
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » zazenducke, posted by SLS on April 21, 2012, at 2:29:28
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dsm5/
You might try reading this. It's written by people with letters behind their names.
Posted by zazenducke on April 21, 2012, at 9:39:06
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by Willful on April 21, 2012, at 3:25:22
> And at the same time, I think we all are as normal as it gets.
Yes I completely agree with you>
> Maybe we just make up this idea to torment outselves-- or to make ourselves feel better-- both-- and project it onto others whose inner lives we can't and don't try to imagine.
>The problem is that the APA is making up this idea of normality and projecting it onto others. and those who do not fit are numbered with "diagnoses" of their abnormality.
> Plus I don't think the APA is a promoter of normality---?
Posted by ron1953 on April 21, 2012, at 12:54:28
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » zazenducke, posted by SLS on April 21, 2012, at 2:29:28
> > http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/occupy-apa
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> What sort of "normality" is being referred to here that the APA actively promotes as part of their mission statement? What is the official APA definition of the word "normal" such that it should garner such disdain by the boycott promoters? I don't think we can go very far examining this idea without first describing how the word "normal" is conceptualized by the boycotters, and demonstrating that the APA uses this definition in its official or occult operations.
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> Where is Peter Breggin when you really need him?
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> - Scott
Interesting.....Breggin and other radical shrinks ESCHEW the cold, technological approach that it appears you embrace.
Posted by sigismund on April 21, 2012, at 19:56:21
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » SLS, posted by ron1953 on April 21, 2012, at 12:54:28
I couldn't continue with Stahl. It seemed to me like paint by numbers.
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 6:34:26
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » SLS, posted by ron1953 on April 21, 2012, at 12:54:28
> Interesting.....Breggin and other radical shrinks ESCHEW the cold, technological approach that it appears you embrace.
Can you give me some examples?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 6:35:36
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » zazenducke, posted by SLS on April 21, 2012, at 2:29:28
> > http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/occupy-apa
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> What sort of "normality" is being referred to here that the APA actively promotes as part of their mission statement? What is the official APA definition of the word "normal" such that it should garner such disdain by the boycott promoters? I don't think we can go very far examining this idea without first describing how the word "normal" is conceptualized by the boycotters, and demonstrating that the APA uses this definition in its official or occult operations.
Is anyone going to attempt to answer these questions?
- Scott
Posted by zazenducke on April 23, 2012, at 8:57:43
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 6:35:36
> > > http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/occupy-apa
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> > What sort of "normality" is being referred to here that the APA actively promotes as part of their mission statement? What is the official APA definition of the word "normal" such that it should garner such disdain by the boycott promoters? I don't think we can go very far examining this idea without first describing how the word "normal" is conceptualized by the boycotters, and demonstrating that the APA uses this definition in its official or occult operations.
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> Is anyone going to attempt to answer these questions?
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> - ScottGoogle is your friend Scott And a little common sense. The APA is defining a wide range of common human emotions and conditions as abnormal in the DSM. Normal would be the absence of any of these conditions.
You believe the APA is indulging in occult operations? Do they know you know?
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Posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2012, at 9:50:43
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by zazenducke on April 23, 2012, at 8:57:43
Hey I don't visit this board just did and what I see is a discussion the DSM axis for filing for insurance claims. I begining primary diagnosis. 2 being personality disorder, 3 being any medical condition. And there is four and five. I know I only fit into l & 3 never two so I guess I'm normal in personality which is certainly up for debate by those that know me in real life. Lets face it seems most have there own personalities with tweeks here and there some that bother others some that are endearing to others. So for this there couldn't be a normal? Phillipa
Posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 10:10:52
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » ron1953, posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 6:34:26
> > Interesting.....Breggin and other radical shrinks ESCHEW the cold, technological approach that it appears you embrace.
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> Can you give me some examples?
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http://brucelevine.net/I cordially invite you to read Levine's "Commonsense Rebellion"
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 12:32:00
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by zazenducke on April 23, 2012, at 8:57:43
> > > > http://www.mindfreedom.org/campaign/boycott-normal/occupy-apa
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> > > What sort of "normality" is being referred to here that the APA actively promotes as part of their mission statement? What is the official APA definition of the word "normal" such that it should garner such disdain by the boycott promoters? I don't think we can go very far examining this idea without first describing how the word "normal" is conceptualized by the boycotters, and demonstrating that the APA uses this definition in its official or occult operations.
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> > Is anyone going to attempt to answer these questions?
> >> Google is your friend Scott And a little common sense. The APA is defining a wide range of common human emotions and conditions as abnormal in the DSM. Normal would be the absence of any of these conditions.
I will accept your not answering the questons that I asked. Your producing definitions of the word "normal" on behalf of the APA does not address them.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 12:39:52
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 10:10:52
> > > Interesting.....Breggin and other radical shrinks ESCHEW the cold, technological approach that it appears you embrace.
> > Can you give me some examples?
> I cordially invite you to read Levine's "Commonsense Rebellion"
There nothing about your invitation that I find cordial.You avoid answering the question I asked as a response to your description of me. I cordially invite you to produce an example of my writing that is consistent with "the cold, technological approach" that you say I embrace.
- Scott
Posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 12:53:47
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » ron1953, posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 12:39:52
> > > > Interesting.....Breggin and other radical shrinks ESCHEW the cold, technological approach that it appears you embrace.
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> > > Can you give me some examples?
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> > I cordially invite you to read Levine's "Commonsense Rebellion"
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> There nothing about your invitation that I find cordial.
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> You avoid answering the question I asked as a response to your description of me. I cordially invite you to produce an example of my writing that is consistent with "the cold, technological approach" that you say I embrace.
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> - Scott
Pretty much all of it, except for the ones like this one that challenge the poster to support their views. In most cases, either one or the other. I do believe you enjoy trying to put people on the spot, but it appears you get frustrated when they're smart enough not to take the bait.
Posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 13:04:38
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 12:53:47
It's interesting that some members who can deal with cognitive dissonance find such things as the "Occupy Normal" phenomenon interesting and informative, whereas others find them so threatening as to reject them out of hand. As some obviously are aware, there's a LOT of grey between the black and the white; some can't deal with it.
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 13:14:38
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 13:04:38
You always seem to make things personal when it comes to me.
I'm flattered.
- Scott
Posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 13:44:51
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » ron1953, posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 13:14:38
> You always seem to make things personal when it comes to me.
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> I'm flattered.
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> - ScottAre you not a person?
Posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2012, at 20:32:37
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » SLS, posted by ron1953 on April 23, 2012, at 13:44:51
Old DSM from 94 Phillipa
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 21:24:44
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA, posted by Phillipa on April 23, 2012, at 20:32:37
Hi Phillipa.
> Old DSM from 94 Phillipa
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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11022513
This is an interesting analysis.What did you think of it?
Did it help you come to any conclusions?
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2012, at 0:11:05
In reply to Re: Occupy the APA » Phillipa, posted by SLS on April 23, 2012, at 21:24:44
Not really just makes it easier to get payments for treatment rendered.
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