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Posted by Beckett on March 16, 2012, at 21:23:50
There was an occupation in my community I missed. We are largely an agricultural community here, though many like to think of our area as high tech and professional. Sometimes people forget they cannot eat PDA's and phones. I hope to make the September's occupation. The website with the hazmat suits make the occupation look comical but standing up to Monsanto is dead serious tough work.
Posted by sigismund on March 16, 2012, at 22:27:04
In reply to Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012, posted by Beckett on March 16, 2012, at 21:23:50
Hopefully when my genome is privatised the current occupant will be evicted and sent somewhere painless :)
This was our local paper's editorial this week.....
US Author Derrick Jensens philosophy is the catalyst for a film END : CIV being shown this week at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
Its heartening to know this church wants to expose elite power structures and is a hot-bed for radicalism.
Isnt that what Jesus would want?
The film examines our cultural addiction to violence and environmental exploitation through the construct of civilisation.
The word civilisation comes from the Latin civilis, meaning civil, related to the Latin civis, meaning citizen, and civitas, meaning city or city-state.
The rise of cities is where civilisations start, Jensen says, and as it is a collection of people living in numbers so large that they need to import resources that construct is not, or can never be, sustainable.
Our way of life is based on violence and slavery, according to Jensen. Our clothes are made largely by slaves from other countries, the meat we consume is farmed without consideration for the animal and diamonds generally have blood on them
And of course theres our collective unevolved thirst for oil and other non-renewables. He says we dont see the violence because weve been metabolised into the system.
Additionally, We have bought into a strange notion that its ok to have to pay to exist on the planet.
If you dont pay rent for example, someone with a gun or more power than you will come and enforce compliance.
A less emotive and more anthropological analysis of civilisations is by Scott Nearing, author of Civilization And Beyond.
To paraphrase his dense and excellent tome in less than 100 words: civilisation is a means of communication, trade and record keeping. It includes an economy based on a division of labour and specialisation. It has a self-selected and perpetuating oligarchy, utilising a unified political and bureaucratic apparatus.
It requires an adequate labour force to farm, transport and mine, while it supports a large middle-class element of professionals, technicians and semi-parasitic fringe dwellers.
A well trained and financed military for both offence and defence is essential, along with institutions and social practices.
And lastly, agreed-upon religions that maintain social conformity.
Posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 12:31:50
In reply to Re: Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012 » Beckett, posted by sigismund on March 16, 2012, at 22:27:04
>Additionally, We have bought into a strange notion that its ok to have to pay to exist on the planet.
This is interesting. I find this true for myself literally and metaphorically. The implications are far-reaching. My therapist would find it interesting as well. And I find it heart breaking to boot not when talking about myself but in looking outward. Everything is made to pay or assigned value. Because everything seen this way is under arrest. That's how Monsanto can patent life forms. The audacity. Of those hiding within a corporation.
I do become alarmed when there is a call to dismantle civilization largely because I am leery of the intentions of some who may show up a little too eagerly for the demolition work.
I am not familiar with Jensen's work. I downloaded a sample chapter of Endgame. Right now I am reading (just started) Eaarth by McKibben. He talks about what looks like permanent climate change toward drought conditions for Australia. I hadn't realized. And flash fires four stories high in Victoria (these you had talked about). There are similar climate changes mentioned for the southwestern US. There were terrible lightening fires in California a few years back, but not the high walls of flame seen in Australia.
Posted by sigismund on March 17, 2012, at 19:41:05
In reply to Re: Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012 » sigismund, posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 12:31:50
>He talks about what looks like permanent climate change toward drought conditions for Australia.
Yes, we have had 3 very wet years. The is the el nino / la nina thing and there is something else I have forgotten.
But after the floods will come drought and if the projections are right very severe ones.
At some point, if the science is right, the conscience of the world will be offended when (I don't know) tens of millions of Bangladeshis die because the fence between them and India will not allow them to flee the rising waters. Low areas, sub-Saharan Africa and Australia are places to watch. Meanwhile dig that coal up and turn it into cash so you can buy the media.
Posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 22:15:52
In reply to Re: Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012 » Beckett, posted by sigismund on March 17, 2012, at 19:41:05
My father was a little older than Bagaent. He'd be early 80's now. He will not have to know these things. He used to tell me the world he knew, having grown up somewhat similarly to Bagaent, about the natural world of his youth and the marked changes as a fisherman, catch and release, he witnessed throughout his lifetime.
It is only recently that I am realizing how dire it is, sig. Tens of millions? Where did you learn this? There is a fence?
Posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 22:26:29
In reply to Re: Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012 » sigismund, posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 22:15:52
Never mind about the fence. Begin to type in India Bangledesh and before one finishes, fence pops up. It's all there.
Sarah Palin and I have ignorance in common. From what I understand, she does not seem to feel she needs to know much more to be a public servant (from what I have heard). I imagine we may not share an overweening narcissism (not used here in any diagnostic sense).
Posted by sigismund on March 17, 2012, at 22:47:34
In reply to Re: Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012, posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 22:26:29
From wiki
India is presently constructing the Indo-Bangladeshi barrier, a 4,000 kilometer fence of barbed wire and concrete just under 3 metres high, to prevent illegal immigration and the smuggling of weapons and narcotics. Flood lights are also being installed in the West Bengal sector. The project was sanctioned for 2881 crore rupees (600 million US dollars) and was expected to be complete by 2009. As of November 2007, 2529 km of border fencing was completed.[17]
Posted by sigismund on March 17, 2012, at 22:52:26
In reply to Re: Occupy Monsanto 3/16/2012, posted by Beckett on March 17, 2012, at 22:26:29
And it's in God that we trust
On the production of narcissism.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxFftlymT5M
I have seen SE. I was very impressed. He can be so wonderfully scornful.
Posted by Beckett on March 18, 2012, at 9:31:35
In reply to God made us in his image » Beckett, posted by sigismund on March 17, 2012, at 22:52:26
That was a tonic. Thanks. Someday I'll see Mr. SE.
Right now I'm deciding whether to buy tickets to CocoRosie:)
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