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Posted by sdb on August 26, 2011, at 6:35:28
it must be said that things aren't only bad in the us, in Spain for example, young people are without work for years (!). And who is going to pay for their rent when they will need home health care, palliative care...
Posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 12:16:11
In reply to economy, posted by sdb on August 26, 2011, at 6:35:28
It's going to be very interesting. Reminds me a bit of Natalie merchant's lines
Their last retreat is moving slow
They burn their bridges as they go.This is what happens when the times change from one dispensation to another.
Posted by floatingbridge on August 26, 2011, at 12:58:09
In reply to economy, posted by sdb on August 26, 2011, at 6:35:28
sbd, you from Spain?
American infrastructure is just barely holding on here IMO. But there is this nuts (to my mind) idea that everyone will be fine in a free market economy. Like yeah. All these people here in the US without health coverage. It's a dream land here, just before the REM sleeps stops. IMHO.
'Every man for himself and god against all.'
I liked sigi's quote better.
Posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 14:09:55
In reply to Re: economy » sdb, posted by floatingbridge on August 26, 2011, at 12:58:09
It's an interesting song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3frpqSQAEVA
Natalie Merchant's Ophelia is a wonderful album. It's from that.
Posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 14:37:18
In reply to Re: economy, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 14:09:55
Well, I don't really know what it is about exactly, but this certainly made me laugh.....
""Thick as Thieves" refers to the story of Adam and Eve as simply a fairy tale, the Holy Trinity as a philosophy, and expresses an overall negative and dismissive attitude toward Christian beliefs. Even the picture of Natalie dressed as a Roman Catholic nun on the CD cover is in poor taste. "
Posted by floatingbridge on August 26, 2011, at 22:12:43
In reply to Re: economy, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 14:37:18
> Well, I don't really know what it is about exactly, but this certainly made me laugh.....
>
> ""Thick as Thieves" refers to the story of Adam and Eve as simply a fairy tale, the Holy Trinity as a philosophy, and expresses an overall negative and dismissive attitude toward Christian beliefs. Even the picture of Natalie dressed as a Roman Catholic nun on the CD cover is in poor taste. "The nun outfit reminds me of Monty Python. The song does not, though. Hmmm. So someone else gets worked up about the Genisis story, too....
Interestingly, I just started a book by Harold Kushner in which he discusses the misuse (perhaps misunderstanding; I
haven't gotten that far) of the Adam and Eve tale, how it can provoke and justify the of withdrawal of love.Thank you. She's interesting lyricist. I am not familiar with her beyond 10,000 Maniacs.
Now that dates me :-)
Ophelia is another rich topic....
Posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 23:11:53
In reply to Re: economy » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on August 26, 2011, at 22:12:43
I never really thought it was about Genesis, beyond the opening verse.
This
Wracked again by indecision
Should we make that small incision
Testify to the bleeding heart inside?
We cut, we scratched
We rent, we slashed
And when he opened up at last
Found a cul-de-sac
Deep and black
Of smoke and ashCould be about overanalysis, or therapy or even psychiatry. Or something like that.
Posted by floatingbridge on August 27, 2011, at 7:15:14
In reply to Re: economy, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2011, at 23:11:53
Oh. I assumed Jesus. And his scared heart. It's a catholic symbol. I found that verse particularly sad. When 'he' opened up at last.
That wouldn't make the entire song about Genisis. But I suppose, was that a review you quoted, about Catholicism, hence the nun outfit, more than Christianity. Is Merchant from the U.K.?
Maybe. (Darn tezanepam. I'm bleary but have been awake
for awhile.)Then, it also brought to mind Cormac McCarthy, that was more what you first quoted, but the above, too. Not that that what was in Ms. Merchant's mind at all, but my.
Posted by sigismund on August 27, 2011, at 10:21:56
In reply to Re: economy » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on August 27, 2011, at 7:15:14
She is American. That's all I know. 1000 maniacs was a good band?
Here's wiki..........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Merchant
Maybe that he was Jesus's heart? (I never understood the 'he'.)
If so it sounds as if she was reflecting on contradictions within the culture, perhaps arising from the belief system.I wonder whether Christian demonology makes itself peculiarly prone to the hunting of witches, especially with its war between good and evil, but that is a bit different.
Posted by sdb on August 28, 2011, at 15:38:35
In reply to Re: economy, posted by sigismund on August 27, 2011, at 10:21:56
the disregulation started with the bush administration.
you can't expect that another administration can solve all these problems during some years. 8 years disregulation takes maybe 16 years to repair the damage.
In Spain there is a social government and the unemployment rate is high. The better thing there is, that health care is for everybody and the quality good.
I go to the Netherland. Bye.
Posted by sigismund on August 28, 2011, at 18:15:53
In reply to Re: economy, posted by sdb on August 28, 2011, at 15:38:35
The dysregualtion started with Thatcher/Reagan, didn't it? And proceeded for how many years is that? And now we have this fight about who is going to pay for it all. Undoubtedly ordinary people will.
By the time this is over the environmental catastrophe and the oil crisis will be in full swing.
Eventually humanity will have to absorb the losses and adapt to a new reality. But not easily.
I didn't mean to take over your thread. I hope you like Natalie Merchant.
Posted by sigismund on August 28, 2011, at 18:17:17
In reply to Re: economy » sdb, posted by sigismund on August 28, 2011, at 18:15:53
>Undoubtedly ordinary people will.
Future generations will. They already are.
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