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Posted by obsidian on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:42
WOW
These are some amazing times we live in. You've just got to be in awe of it all.
what a race
Posted by 10derHeart on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:42
In reply to Oh my goodness!! Obama is the one!!, posted by obsidian on November 4, 2008, at 22:26:48
yes....and
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20081002/msgs/860863.html
:-)
Posted by jammerlich on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:42
In reply to Re: Oh my goodness!! Obama is the one!!, posted by 10derHeart on November 4, 2008, at 22:33:02
Posted by TexasChic on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:42
In reply to Oh my goodness!! Obama is the one!!, posted by obsidian on November 4, 2008, at 22:26:48
Not to be negative, but its about damn time!!!!
I can remember not too terribly long ago (maybe around 15 years), I went out to lunch with a coworker who happened to be a black guy. These two white dudes kept staring at us and giving us dirty looks. I was actually completely clueless! I was like, what on earth is their problem? It wasn't until later that the guy explained that it was because I was a white woman out with a black man! I was just so bowled over! I was like, no, no, no, that can't be it. But it was. I now have a beautiful, and I mean BEAUTIFUL cousin I used to babysit who now dates black men exclusively. And I back her 100%! Not that a person should discriminate, but if you are attracted to a certain type of guy, that's your business and nobody else's concern.
I would have liked to have seen the first woman president, but the first black president is equally as impressive a breakthrough. A woman president is next, and if she's also black, gay, and an atheist, all the better! Its just time we stopped picking and choosing what is right and wrong, and start working together to be better people as a whole.
Woohoo!!!!
-T
Posted by Nadezda on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:42
In reply to This actually brings tears of joy to my eye!, posted by TexasChic on November 4, 2008, at 23:24:38
Posted by Toph on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:42
In reply to Oh my goodness!! Obama is the one!!, posted by obsidian on November 4, 2008, at 22:26:48
Chicago looked beautiful last night in so many ways. We had encouraged our daughters to come home from their city apartments to watch the returns so that we could be together for this momentous occasion. Admittedly, I was also concerned about what might happen to the city had he lost. I slept well last night and had a bounce in my step as I left for work this morning. I have a renewed faith in this democracy. What a daunting task our president has before him to clean up the mess at home and restore respect for America in the community of nations.
Posted by Sigismund on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:43
In reply to Re: America, posted by Toph on November 5, 2008, at 9:49:19
>What a daunting task our president has before him to clean up the mess at home and restore respect for America in the community of nations.
Respect for the USA was restored last night. I've not seen anything like this in my lifetime. Sometimes there are claims here that our year old government is doing too little too late. But the problems are acknowledged and solutions sought and we don't have to spend half the time arguing that white really is white rather than black. In his acceptance speech Obama acknowledged reality and went a decent way to building hope.
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on November 6, 2008, at 10:59:12
In reply to Re: America » Toph, posted by Sigismund on November 5, 2008, at 15:16:43
> >What a daunting task our president has before him to clean up the mess at home and restore respect for America in the community of nations.
>
> Respect for the USA was restored last night. I've not seen anything like this in my lifetime. Sometimes there are claims here that our year old government is doing too little too late. But the problems are acknowledged and solutions sought and we don't have to spend half the time arguing that white really is white rather than black. In his acceptance speech Obama acknowledged reality and went a decent way to building hope.Yes, great points! I have gained a massive amount of respect for the U.S. over choosing Obama (even more then I have for my own country right now..) and I also think it is a beautiful tribute to African Americans. I could say more about that other group, the 'racists', but it would indeed be very, very uncivil.
Peace and Hope...
Jay
Posted by Sigismund on November 6, 2008, at 13:50:45
In reply to Re: America » All » Sigismund, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on November 6, 2008, at 10:59:12
I heard an African American say that Obama didn't even pass the brown paper bag test, not, of course, as a criticism.
I wonder if his name itself is a problem to some, particularly the 'Hussein' (sp?).
If you don't know much about the world it can be threatening to come across a candidate who must surely understand it so much better from his background, which includes school in Indonesia.
Anyway I thought this in his acceptance speech was particularly interesting....
>And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces, to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of the world, our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand.
Posted by healing928 on November 11, 2008, at 23:09:21
In reply to The forgotten corners of the world, posted by Sigismund on November 6, 2008, at 13:50:45
The liberal media admits not to using his middle name of "Hussein."
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 1:25:32
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » Sigismund, posted by healing928 on November 11, 2008, at 23:09:21
Lucky you have the Murdoch press.
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 1:31:33
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » healing928, posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 1:25:32
Although I admit the Murdoch press is unreliable when it comes to incoming administrations, having its own legislative priorities.
And one senses that Rupert has moved on, although to where I'm not sure.
There's always Rush. Is he any good?
Posted by caraher on November 12, 2008, at 4:24:31
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » Sigismund, posted by healing928 on November 11, 2008, at 23:09:21
> The liberal media admits not to using his middle name of "Hussein."
No more often than they used McCain's middle name. Why did we not hear more about McCain's middle name? Did he have something to hide?
Posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 12:35:38
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » Sigismund, posted by healing928 on November 11, 2008, at 23:09:21
And the relevance of his middle name is what, exactly?
Nadezda
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 12:50:15
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » healing928, posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 12:35:38
>And the relevance of his middle name is what, exactly?
I suppose the question is
'Does having Hussein as a middle name make you un-American?'Or have I missed the point?
Posted by healing928 on November 12, 2008, at 13:00:39
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world, posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 12:50:15
It is what it is, Obama's middle name is HUSSEIN!
Look at his history.
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 13:07:12
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world, posted by healing928 on November 12, 2008, at 13:00:39
>Look at his history.
My point exactly.
He went to school in Indonesia!
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 13:09:12
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » healing928, posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 13:07:12
Then again King Hussein was a good guy, wasn't he?
One of ours.
But no oil either.
Posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 14:52:45
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world, posted by healing928 on November 12, 2008, at 13:00:39
Sorry, I don't get your drift.
He's a Christian (not that that matters to me, because I don't believe that you have to be a Christian to be qualified to be President of the US), very accomplished, highly respected, attended Columbia and Harvard Law School, where he was editor in chief of the law review, taught as an adjunct at U Chicago, while working as a community organizer, and generally has been a highly upstanding citizen.
What about his history am I supposed to look at?
Nadezda
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 15:51:42
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » healing928, posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 14:52:45
How long has he had a passport for?
That might be the issue.
Posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 17:42:31
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » Nadezda, posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 15:51:42
Okay. I think I get it.
This part of a report from CNN may address your issue (or non-issue), the bottom line of it being that the school Obama attended in Indonesia was a school with Christian, Buddhis and Muslim children, and had no religious bent. It was certainly not a madrassa..
"But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."...
"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."...
Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10. "
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Furthermore, he went to a highly regarded high school in Hawaii and then attended Occidental College and Columbia U. and Harvard Law School and is a committed Christian.
What's the problem?
As for his going to Pakistan for three weeks in his early twenties, with college friends, it is reportedly not at all clear that travel to Pakistan was banned with a US passport. I actually don't see what difference it makes. I assume he went to visit some people; I have no reason to think he went in any way illegally, or without appropriate permission.
If you have some authetic evidence of it, fine. If it's all rumors and innuendo, not fine. And frankly, I don't see what difference it makes anyway. He is a US citizen. Period. This happened 26 or 27 years ago, for three weeks, when he was in college. I did all sorts of rebellious stuff when I was in college that has no bearing my patriotism, Americanness, or US citizenship, or in fact criminal record, or likelihood of colluding with terrorists. What does this trip matter to anything?
I'm utterly perplexed about what this is all about.
Nadezda
Posted by rskontos on November 12, 2008, at 18:12:18
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 17:42:31
that his middle name was given to him by his parents. Of which he had no control. And the school, which I also looked up like Nadezda, is a public school with no real religious bent. I found nothing that indicated it made all its students Muslims, Hindus, or anything in particular. Any religious bent he might have had at that time would have been due to his parents, he was a child. Just like when I was a child I went to a Southern Baptist Church and a Catholic church because I had a parent of each. I am now Greek Orthodox because that is what my husband is and I wanted a one religion family life.
In the words of Colin Powell, "so what if he was Muslim". In a country that has a government based mainly on separation of church and state we do get hung up on if our leader is of any particular religion, yet if our leader got up on the White House lawn and said, I want everyone to go to church, we would all be upset too.
I think sometimes we are confused in what we do and what we expect our leaders to be and do.
Just my observations.
All I can say is I am thrilled we elected Obama. His is my President and I am proud I support him. I believe it was the right thing to do and he is the right man even if my taxes go up.
rsk
Posted by Sigismund on November 12, 2008, at 18:23:21
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on November 12, 2008, at 17:42:31
I'm trying to understand it too.
Obama's strength for me is that he will understand the world and have more empathy with it, or so I hope, and will not just see the world through the eyes of American Exceptionalism.
But I also think some people may feel threatened by this.
That's my best guess.
Posted by fayeroe on November 16, 2008, at 22:43:21
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world, posted by caraher on November 12, 2008, at 4:24:31
He has a brother that called 911 on a day that he was caught in traffic in some city. He did! Like last month.
Posted by caraher on November 16, 2008, at 23:16:42
In reply to Re: The forgotten corners of the world » caraher, posted by fayeroe on November 16, 2008, at 22:43:21
> He has a brother that called 911 on a day that he was caught in traffic in some city. He did! Like last month.
Here's the tape of Joe the McCain... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y6_s3O5Bj0
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