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Posted by fayeroe on February 28, 2008, at 18:56:07
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Posted by Sigismund on February 28, 2008, at 22:02:11
In reply to I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by fayeroe on February 28, 2008, at 18:56:07
It doesn't matter who wins *that* much does it?
Couldn't be downhill from here.
I'm so impressed by the candidates.
I'm not a fan of McCain's politics but when I compare him to some officials currently in office I feel very impressed by him.
Every candidate has had this effect on me.
Posted by fayeroe on February 28, 2008, at 22:32:42
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on February 28, 2008, at 22:02:11
As I think about it, I have less and less enthusiasm for politics each election.
Personally, I don't know of anyone that could pull us out of the ditch we're in now. At least not in a four year term.
McCain scares the hell out of me! If he is elected, we're finished.......I could go back and put that in "I" statements, but won't.
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Posted by Sigismund on February 28, 2008, at 23:46:15
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on February 28, 2008, at 22:32:42
Geez, I actually know so little about him, but from this distance he seems all Roman virtues to me.
But it would feel like one more throw of the dice.
Isn't it interesting how when the Surge shows some temporary effect people are so willing to say that it's working?
A complete failure of empathy.
My contact with the USA is of such a limited duration.
Do you remember "West of the Wall"? I don't know when that was from, quite a bit before 1964, and I was quite young.
Maybe it was all smoke and mirrors, maybe it helped to have an enemy as bad as the USSR and before that Germany and Japan?
If the USA was lucky to have such enemies, it can also be said that it handled the luck wisely.
And I suppose that is what I feel now.
Simply that I want to feel that our world is run by adults.But then I wonder, has it ever been?
(What I mean is that I was reading about Himmler and came across the assertion that he and Hitler had the breathtaking naivity of wicked children.)
So I guess the answer is, not always.
Posted by fayeroe on February 29, 2008, at 7:50:30
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on February 28, 2008, at 23:46:15
Unfortunately, some of our politicans never advance past the "I want it now or else" stage. And the "mommys and daddys" want him to hush, so they give it to him. (guess who I am talking about)
I'd go back to some of the other wars, myself. Then even I would feel like enlisting and fighting.
We're spending about two billion + a week right now in Iraq.
With 1/10 of that (weekly) we
have homeless people, hungry children and sorry schools that we could do wonders with!!I'm afraid that I don't like living here anymore and would even take Mexico if I could do it. Canada's too cold...:-)
I'm going to send you the lyrics to a song that I think you'll absolutely love. Listen to your Babblemail and when you hear the piano begin, open it and rock out!
xoxoxo
Posted by caraher on February 29, 2008, at 12:07:31
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on February 28, 2008, at 22:02:11
I prefer the 2000 model of McCain to the one we're getting this year. I would agree that no matter what happens in November we'll be receiving an upgrade...
Though Pat Buchanan (of all people) says that "McCain will make Cheney looks like Gandhi." That doesn't seem possible.
Posted by Sigismund on February 29, 2008, at 13:32:53
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by caraher on February 29, 2008, at 12:07:31
>McCain will make Cheney looks like Gandhi
Pat Buchanan said that?
Oh my goodness.
Half a life time ago he seemed very right wing.
Posted by Sigismund on February 29, 2008, at 14:42:20
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on February 29, 2008, at 7:50:30
This part of Politcal Science has always been a big hit with me
>We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too
Posted by Sigismund on February 29, 2008, at 14:44:04
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by Sigismund on February 29, 2008, at 14:42:20
Like ChuckECheese in Tehran, maybe even better.
Posted by fayeroe on February 29, 2008, at 14:52:26
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by Sigismund on February 29, 2008, at 14:44:04
Can't get over his genius in slying covering the political scene.
Posted by fayeroe on February 29, 2008, at 14:55:39
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by caraher on February 29, 2008, at 12:07:31
> I prefer the 2000 model of McCain to the one we're getting this year. I would agree that no matter what happens in November we'll be receiving an upgrade...
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> Though Pat Buchanan (of all people) says that "McCain will make Cheney looks like Gandhi." That doesn't seem possible.Wow! I sure disagree with Buchanan. I fear for more war and more debt and less help for the people of the United States.
Posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 16:46:53
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on February 29, 2008, at 7:50:30
I'm not used to this.
Posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 17:07:54
In reply to Kevin Rudd, posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 16:46:53
What was it Mr Bush said of Mr Howard?
'He has good values'.
And then, with a refreshing lack of regard for historical context, he called him
'The man of steel'.
Posted by fayeroe on March 1, 2008, at 18:02:39
In reply to Kevin Rudd, posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 16:46:53
Double Wow! Yup, our government advocates torture...except for this administration!!
Posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 18:32:06
In reply to Re: Kevin Rudd » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on March 1, 2008, at 18:02:39
It brought tears to my eyes.
Isn't that what they say about fish, that the rot starts in the head?
It is so very important to have a government that sets a good moral example.
The fact that this kind of observation is now seen to be leftwing is extraordinary.
Posted by fayeroe on March 1, 2008, at 18:57:26
In reply to Re: Kevin Rudd » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 18:32:06
are you saying that you are underwhelmed?
yes, Bush did say that Howard was a man of values, but you have to remember that he thinks that Cheney is a good shot!
Posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 18:57:29
In reply to Re: Kevin Rudd » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on March 1, 2008, at 18:02:39
Under our constitution, though you might not have realised it under Mr Howard, the Queen of Australia is the head of state and the Govenor-General is her representative in Australia.
We had a real moral example with Sir William Deane. (Sincere Catholic, strong sense of moral justice, zero self-promotion)
Mr Howard was in such a hurry to get rid of him that he put in an Anglican Archbishop, Peter Hollingworth, who immediately became embroiled in one of those sex in the churches scandles, and he had to resign.
Then Mr Howard put in a military man no one had heard of before or has since, and whose functions he could perform himself.
So that is what conservatism came to here.
There was an article in the papers here that looked at the difference between triangulation (Hawke, Clinton, maybe Keating) and wedge politcs (Howard, maybe Bush).
The fun thing with Mr Howard toward the end was that he ended up wedging his own side of politics.
Before the election he used global warming to set up an enquiry into nuclear power to wedge the ALP.
But it was too close to the election (who wants a nuclear power station next to them?) and weged his own side (Did we really need them? Maybe we could do something else?)But the guts of the article was that triangulation left you in control of the political agenda and wedge politics did not.
(Can't get a link I'm afraid.)In that sense I am perhaps wrong to say that the current US administration is reactive in nature.
Maybe Mr Howard was closer to Mrs Thatcher?
He certainly liked his culture wars.
He called it getting rid of political correctness.
Posted by Sigismund on March 1, 2008, at 19:00:30
In reply to Re: Kevin Rudd » Sigismund, posted by fayeroe on March 1, 2008, at 18:57:26
>are you saying that you are underwhelmed?
For reasons that escape me I felt very angry.
Maybe I felt that I would get my moral lessons from somewhere else?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2008, at 17:22:40
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by caraher on February 29, 2008, at 12:07:31
> A complete failure of empathy.
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> Sigismund> no matter what happens in November we'll be receiving an upgrade...
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> caraherPlease be sensitive to the feelings of others (such as supporters of the Surge and of Bush).
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people.
I encourage anyone who has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing themselves, to see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Sigismund on March 3, 2008, at 0:45:59
In reply to Re: please be sensitive » Sigismund » caraher, posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2008, at 17:22:40
What I was thinking about was that those on the receiving end of the surge are not foremost in the minds of those who support it.
In the same way that the (many) millions of Iraqis and Iranians who have died, at least in part because of the policies of the west toward the region over the decades, have not received our empathy.
Posted by Sigismund on March 3, 2008, at 1:01:42
In reply to Re: please be sensitive » Sigismund » caraher, posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2008, at 17:22:40
The lyrics to his new song are not that great, but the title is.
It is
'Who Are These People?'
Posted by fayeroe on March 3, 2008, at 9:33:32
In reply to Burt Baccarach, posted by Sigismund on March 3, 2008, at 1:01:42
> The lyrics to his new song are not that great, but the title is.
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> 'Who Are These People?'You can't beat that!
I seldom watch the news as I prefer to read it on internet where I have some control and can leave a page when I get annoyed AND I've often wondered that myself, "who the hell are these ****ed people?"
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Posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 20:46:24
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by fayeroe on February 29, 2008, at 14:55:45
The fighting and mudslinging is causing me to wish I could move to somewhere like Mexico. Hide away in a little village and fish for my supper!
Posted by Sigismund on March 11, 2008, at 17:29:08
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take!, posted by fayeroe on March 10, 2008, at 20:46:24
>The fighting and mudslinging is causing me to wish I could move to somewhere like Mexico. Hide away in a little village and fish for my supper!
I wish I could avoid lots of the modern world entirely.
I have been reading a book (in part) about a wonderfully reactionary Harvard ethnobotanist (R.E. Schultz) who did not accept the result of the American War of Independance and voted for Queen Elizabeth in the US elections, could not abide the Kennedys and so on. It is possible he was so reactionary that he did not accept Christianity, at least his extrememly empathic relations with the American Indian people, interest in their use of plants (particularly ritual use) does suggest that.
The book is...
"One River" by Wade Davis
Posted by fayeroe on March 11, 2008, at 17:35:17
In reply to Re: I don't know how much more I can take! » fayeroe, posted by Sigismund on March 11, 2008, at 17:29:08
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> I wish I could avoid lots of the modern world entirely.
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> I have been reading a book (in part) about a wonderfully reactionary Harvard ethnobotanist (R.E. Schultz) who did not accept the result of the American War of Independance and voted for Queen Elizabeth in the US elections, could not abide the Kennedys and so on. It is possible he was so reactionary that he did not accept Christianity, at least his extrememly empathic relations with the American Indian people, interest in their use of plants (particularly ritual use) does suggest that.
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> The book is...
> "One River" by Wade DavisThe book sounds very interesting and I will check it out.
Have I told you about how hard the Mormons are working to win over the Navajoes?Yeah! Huh?
They have mission centers all over and are working hard to convert the Indians away from their traditional beliefs. I find it very off putting! I could go into more detail, but will put that into an e.mail. :-)
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