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Posted by Declan on April 26, 2007, at 3:35:18
On the news.
Interesting language.
I wonder who thought that one up.
Posted by AuntieMel on April 27, 2007, at 15:25:41
In reply to Taming the Insurgency, posted by Declan on April 26, 2007, at 3:35:18
There's a lot of interesting language.
"We're in it to win" - how will we know if we did??
Posted by fayeroe on April 27, 2007, at 21:39:18
In reply to Taming the Insurgency, posted by Declan on April 26, 2007, at 3:35:18
> On the news.
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> Interesting language.
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> I wonder who thought that one up.someone is channelling "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job" FEMA director, who was an officer in an Arabian HORSE association............:=)
Posted by Declan on April 27, 2007, at 22:39:41
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency, posted by AuntieMel on April 27, 2007, at 15:25:41
We have government by soundbite here too (needless to say).
Kevin Rudd threw a spanner in the PMs works by accusing him of 'cutting and running' from Afghanistan.
Doesn't really tell us much about what they are thinking.
But maybe that's the point....as a society we (who?) no longer demand hypocrisy, we demand sincerity and shamelessness in equal proportion.
Posted by fayeroe on April 28, 2007, at 18:18:56
In reply to Quite a mix, posted by Declan on April 27, 2007, at 22:39:41
> We have government by soundbite here too (needless to say).
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> Kevin Rudd threw a spanner in the PMs works by accusing him of 'cutting and running' from Afghanistan.
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> Doesn't really tell us much about what they are thinking.
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> But maybe that's the point....as a society we (who?) no longer demand hypocrisy, we demand sincerity and shamelessness in equal proportion.man, you have really got that one nailed. it would almost make a good bumpersticker.....bit long though......:-)
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Posted by Declan on April 28, 2007, at 18:51:47
In reply to Re: Quite a mix » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 28, 2007, at 18:18:56
I wondered if you would have problems with the 'in equal proportions' bit.
It's something I've been thinking about ever since I read an article in a magazine.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n21/runc01_.htmlMaybe the easiest way to understand it is that you need lots of irony to get your head around things these days.
Posted by fayeroe on April 28, 2007, at 19:11:05
In reply to Re: Quite a mix » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 28, 2007, at 18:51:47
> I wondered if you would have problems with the 'in equal proportions' bit.
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> It's something I've been thinking about ever since I read an article in a magazine.
> http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n21/runc01_.html
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> Maybe the easiest way to understand it is that you need lots of irony to get your head around things these days.irony is all that saves me...........:-) WOW on the article!
Posted by Declan on April 28, 2007, at 19:34:41
In reply to Re: Quite a mix, posted by fayeroe on April 28, 2007, at 19:11:05
It's good for us all to keep abreast of these things :)
Posted by fayeroe on April 28, 2007, at 19:42:45
In reply to Re: Quite a mix » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 28, 2007, at 19:34:41
> It's good for us all to keep abreast of these things :)
hahahaha......yes, it is essential that we stay up with them....or at least, step on their heels......:-)
Posted by gromit on April 30, 2007, at 3:55:29
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency, posted by AuntieMel on April 27, 2007, at 15:25:41
Hi AM,
> "We're in it to win" - how will we know if we did??
There will be an announcement with much fanfare and such, the deck of an aircraft carrier seems like a perfect place for such an occasion. No no no, that's not it... I've got it, we will know when the White House issues, from the side of it's mouth, a carefully worded statement denying any such victory.
In my opinion no matter what happens in the future we've already lost. There was never a chance it would be otherwise, even if we'd had something resembling competent leadership and planning. Not to mention here at home. Patriot Act my posterior, sadly I believe that was just an opportunistic foot in the door, they will keep coming. Stalin had nothing on some of these guys.
US Constitution, rule of law, honesty, conscience? Bah, reefer-head terrorist hippy talk, laws that cannot be used in their favor do not apply to some elected officials. Just ask them, they're thoughtless enough or maybe plain arrogant enough to tell you straight out.
Rick
// Auntie Mel, long time no talkie, hope you and yours are well. I'm anticipating a PBC, just having an opinion that differs may offend someone. If you want to talk send me a BabbleMail and I'll send a real email.
Posted by AuntieMel on April 30, 2007, at 11:49:44
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency » AuntieMel, posted by gromit on April 30, 2007, at 3:55:29
Sending you a babblemail with a link to an article I *know* you will love...
Posted by AuntieMel on May 1, 2007, at 10:08:27
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency » AuntieMel, posted by gromit on April 30, 2007, at 3:55:29
"Stalin had nothing on some of these guys."
Please keep in mind that there are people here who might differ with you, and might feel like you include them in this statement.
This does not mean you can not state your opinion on the issues, but a better discourse might be had if we all remain civil.
AuntieMel - acting as Deputy. This is not meant to be an editorial statement.
Posted by gromit on May 1, 2007, at 18:21:12
In reply to Re:Please rephrase, posted by AuntieMel on May 1, 2007, at 10:08:27
"AuntieMel - acting as Deputy."
No explanation needed AM.
Obviously the offending sentence was an exaggeration, even when ranting I can't get that darn tongue out of my cheek.
Should have deleted it before posting though, sorry.
Rick
Posted by wise1 on May 5, 2007, at 17:50:32
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency, posted by AuntieMel on April 27, 2007, at 15:25:41
> There's a lot of interesting language.
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> "We're in it to win" - how will we know if we did??This hasn't changed since the invasion: Iraq is stable, secure, and on a path to democracy.
Part of that is to "Tame the Insurgency" so that those Iraqis involved in the insurgency become part of the political process instead of resorting to violence.
-Bill
Posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 18:09:16
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency, posted by wise1 on May 5, 2007, at 17:50:32
>Iraq is stable, secure, and on a path to democracy.
That's good to hear.The other night on TV I heard that we were 'Losing the War on Climate Change', and I could not help but reflect that there are 50 years of cliches (to say no more) ahead of us with this one, that fortunately I will not be around to have to put up with.
Kinda like 'The Middle East Peace Process'.
Posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 18:19:31
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency, posted by wise1 on May 5, 2007, at 17:50:32
> > There's a lot of interesting language.
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> > "We're in it to win" - how will we know if we did??
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> This hasn't changed since the invasion: Iraq is stable, secure, and on a path to democracy.
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> Part of that is to "Tame the Insurgency" so that those Iraqis involved in the insurgency become part of the political process instead of resorting to violence.
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> -Billand??????????????
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Posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 18:28:45
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency, posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 18:19:31
Proclomation of Stanley Maude
To the People of Baghdad Vilayet:
In the name of my King, and in the name of the peoples over whom he rules, I address you as follow:-
Our military operations have as their object the defeat of the enemy, and the driving of him from these territories. In order to complete this task, I am charged with absolute and supreme control of all regions in which British troops operate; but our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but as liberators. Since the days of Halaka your city and your lands have been subject to the tyranny of strangers, your palaces have fallen into ruins, your gardens have sunk in desolation, and your forefathers and yourselves have groaned in bondage. Your sons have been carried off to wars not of your seeking, your wealth has been stripped from you by unjust men and squandered in distant places.
Since the days of Midhat, the Turks have talked of reforms, yet do not the ruins and wastes of today testify the vanity of those promises?
It is the wish not only of my King and his peoples, but it is also the wish of the great nations with whom he is in alliance, that you should prosper even as in the past, when your lands were fertile, when your ancestors gave to the world literature, science, and art, and when Baghdad city was one of the wonders of the world.
Between your people and the dominions of my King there has been a close bond of interest. For 200 years have the merchants of Baghdad and Great Britain traded together in mutual profit and friendship. On the other hand, the Germans and the Turks, who have despoiled you and yours, have for 20 years made Baghdad a centre of power from which to assail the power of the British and the Allies of the British in Persia and Arabia. Therefore the British Government cannot remain indifferent as to what takes place in your country now or in the future, for in duty to the interests of the British people and their Allies, the British Government cannot risk that being done in Baghdad again which has been done by the Turks and Germans during the war.
But you people of Baghdad, whose commercial prosperity and whose safety from oppression and invasion must ever be a matter of the closest concern to the British Government, are not to understand that it is the wish of the British Government to impose upon you alien institutions. It is the hope of the British Government that the aspirations of your philosophers and writers shall be realised and that once again the people of Baghdad shall flourish, enjoying their wealth and substance under institutions which are in consonance with their sacred laws and their racial ideals. In Hedjaz the Arabs have expelled the Turks and Germans who oppressed them and proclaimed the Sherif Hussein as their King, and his Lordship rules in independence and freedom, and is the ally of the nations who are fighting against the power of Turkey and Germany; so indeed are the noble Arabs, the Lords of Koweyt, Nejd, and Asir.
Many noble Arabs have perished in the cause of Arab freedom, at the hands of those alien rulers, the Turks, who oppressed them. It is the determination of the Government of Great Britain and the great Powers allied to Great Britain that these noble Arabs shall not have suffered in vain. It is the hope and desire of the British people and the nations in alliance with them that the Arab race may rise once more to greatness and renown among the peoples of the earth, and that it shall bind itself together to this end in unity and concord.
O people of Baghdad remember that for 26 generations you have suffered under strange tyrants who have ever endeavoured to set on Arab house against another in order that they might profit by your dissensions. This policy is abhorrent to Great Britain and her Allies, for there can be neither peace nor prosperity where there is enmity and misgovernment. Therefore I am commanded to invite you, through your nobles and elders and representatives, to participate in the management of your civil affairs in collaboration with the political representatives of Great Britain who accompany the British Army, so that you may be united with your kinsmen in North, East, South, and West in realising the aspirations of your race.
Posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 19:10:50
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918), posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 18:28:45
" enjoying their wealth and substance under institutions which are in consonance with their sacred laws and their racial ideals."
works for me.......
Posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 19:36:53
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918) » Declan, posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 19:10:50
I don't think we'd do very well under Iraqi occupation. We're very sensitive about such matters. When a couple of Iraqi illegal immigrants appeared here we wasted no time in dispatching them back to their homeland, having made such enquiries as were neccessary <joke!> as to be assured of their safety. So we might not do so well under their armies.
Posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 20:04:21
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918) » fayeroe, posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 19:36:53
> I don't think we'd do very well under Iraqi occupation. We're very sensitive about such matters. When a couple of Iraqi illegal immigrants appeared here we wasted no time in dispatching them back to their homeland, having made such enquiries as were neccessary <joke!> as to be assured of their safety. So we might not do so well under their armies.
you didn't resort to wiretapping, did you?:-)
Posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 20:09:53
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918) » Declan, posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 20:04:21
We stopped them at sea and sent them to remote islands.
There were rumours we sank their boats (questions in Parliament).
Got the election results we wanted and deserved.
What's a little wiretapping?
Posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 20:13:30
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918) » fayeroe, posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 20:09:53
> We stopped them at sea and sent them to remote islands.
> There were rumours we sank their boats (questions in Parliament).
> Got the election results we wanted and deserved.
> What's a little wiretapping?and there were TWO of them?
Posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 20:26:51
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918), posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 20:13:30
Well, yes, there were two.
The first election was won when the Tampa was turned back with a load of people on board. When none of the government's stories (throwing the children overboard) about what had happened turned out to be true, it went to the people on the issue of trust and won the next election.
So we've had two too, though I'm not saying we didn't learn from you.
Posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 20:36:58
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918) » fayeroe, posted by Declan on May 5, 2007, at 20:26:51
we aim to please. here to serve, blah, blah, blah.
Posted by dib on May 10, 2007, at 15:52:37
In reply to Re: Taming the Insurgency (1918) » Declan, posted by fayeroe on May 5, 2007, at 20:36:58
bah
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