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Posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:08:19
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » saturn, posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:05:26
Look, I leave the computer on all day and I'm planning a long overseas trip by jet.
We're doomed.
Posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:19:37
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:08:19
> Look, I leave the computer on all day and I'm planning a long overseas trip by jet.
>
> We're doomed.tsk, tsk, we are at that..........:-) couldn't you go by boat?? i went on a 10 day sailboat trip, in the Caribbean, and by my watch, we actually sailed for 45 minutes in 10 days. go figure that one out! we had an antsy pantsy boat captain..........i'll never forget the smell of the diesel.....instead of the saltwater........
Posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:24:17
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:19:37
Maybe a boat trip up one of those South East Asian Rivers while you still can before the Chinese dams stop them running?
The Salween, Mekong or Irrawaddy (then again, should keep away from Burma).
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 6:41:24
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:24:17
Thus far.....
Fuel consumption of American cars
Model T Ford......... 25mpg
Average for 1988.... 22.1mpg
Average for 2006.... 20.8mpg
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 14:34:14
In reply to Technological Solutions, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 6:41:24
> Thus far.....
>
> Fuel consumption of American cars
>
> Model T Ford......... 25mpg
> Average for 1988.... 22.1mpg
> Average for 2006.... 20.8mpg
>interesting that we're going backwards, now isn't it? i drive a 99 Silverado Chevy pickituptruck and i get 21 mph......good maintenance and cruise control....plus the 99 is one of the best that they built. i'm hanging on to it.....i walk to work......walk to the grocery store and library. (dry my clothes on the line, blah, blah, blah :-) )
>
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:35:11
In reply to Technological Solutions, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 6:41:24
In the UK
Airport passengers in 2005.........216M
Airport passengers for 2030........470MAmount to be spent
Widening the M1.........................3.6BPounds
On policies tackling climate change.....500MPounds
Tackling?
Has climate change has become a thing to be tackled?
No one ever talks about tackling terrorism.
The War on Terrorism and the Climate Change Tackle?
Must work like that.
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:52:57
In reply to Re: Technological Solutions » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 14:34:14
From "The Right Man" by David Frumm
"I once made the mistake of suggesting to Bush that he use the phrase 'cheap energy' to describe the name of his energy policy. He gave me a sharp, squinting look, as if trying to decide whether I was the stupidest person he'd heard from all day or only one of the top five. Cheap energy, he answered, was how we got into this mess. Every year, from the early 1970s to the mid 1990s, American cars had burned less and less oil per mile travelled. Then in about 1995 that progress had stopped. Why? He answered his own question: because of the gas-guzzling SUV. And what had made the SUV possible? This time I answered 'Um, cheap energy?'. He nodded at me. Dismissed."
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:55:50
In reply to Re: Technological Solutions » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:52:57
'A Memoir of a Boy in a Man's Prison'?
O my goodness.
Maybe I should believe in synchronicity?
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 15:05:37
In reply to Re: Technological Solutions, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:55:50
i think you should.........i do........:-)
Posted by payday on April 3, 2007, at 18:13:11
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:06:10
- Declan, jeting about like Gore, Bush and hopefully David Hicks. Leaving the PC on like the lights at Guantanamo Bay. Where do you draw the line, you lucky...lucky B....d.
Serially payday
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 19:24:15
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by payday on April 3, 2007, at 18:13:11
Apropos of nothing, I would like to say that President Bush uses geothermal heat pumps on his ranch at Crawford, much like (I suppose) President Reagan eating organic beef.
That's what I like. Our leaders setting an example.
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:15:58
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » payday, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 19:24:15
> Apropos of nothing, I would like to say that President Bush uses geothermal heat pumps on his ranch at Crawford, much like (I suppose) President Reagan eating organic beef.
>
> That's what I like. Our leaders setting an example.yup, right.........right after he fires up his chainsaw..........to cut TREES down.........
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:16:52
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » payday, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 19:24:15
> Apropos of nothing, I would like to say that President Bush uses geothermal heat pumps on his ranch at Crawford, much like (I suppose) President Reagan eating organic beef.
>
> That's what I like. Our leaders setting an example.he doesn't live very far from me. couple of hours.......
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:30:57
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:15:58
Sixty years ago we could (I imagine) praise our leaders and never be suspected of irony.
Now all we have to do is praise them and it sounds like an insult.
Interesting.
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:38:47
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:30:57
> Sixty years ago we could (I imagine) praise our leaders and never be suspected of irony.
>
> Now all we have to do is praise them and it sounds like an insult.
>
> Interesting.
kinda hard to disguise the truth..........
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:41:44
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:38:47
That must be it.
Is that the same thing people mean when they say we have entered a phase beyond irony?
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:45:19
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:41:44
This one is famous.
Dick Cheney's Empire Christmas Card
24dec03
"If a sparrow can fall to the ground without His notice,
is it likely that an empire can rise without His help?"
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:45:29
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:41:44
> That must be it.
>
> Is that the same thing people mean when they say we have entered a phase beyond irony?i believe that is what they are thinking......... do you think it is a widely understood theory???????????
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:47:46
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:45:29
No, probably not, Pat.
> > That must be it.
> >
> > Is that the same thing people mean when they say we have entered a phase beyond irony?
>
> i believe that is what they are thinking......... do you think it is a widely understood theory???????????
>
Posted by lil' jimi on April 4, 2007, at 1:10:47
In reply to Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by Jay on April 1, 2007, at 19:38:50
Posted by Fivefires on April 4, 2007, at 17:59:04
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Jay, posted by lil' jimi on April 4, 2007, at 1:10:47
All u guys have watched the movie and validated my hesitation at doing so!
I can't see utube.com Jay. Pute is new w/ compatible features I'm sure, but I don't know how to set.
I'm less likely 'to worry re: children' now.
This site doesn't miss a thing!
whew, 5f
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 8, 2007, at 3:31:37
In reply to Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by Jay on April 1, 2007, at 19:38:50
If so, then I have wasted an awful lot of money and time and effort in my education.
Its not a myth. Its very real! There are masses and masses of scientific studies to back (human induced) climate change up. Not one study refutes the idea.
Scientists publish data based on fact. Its that simple. We don't make it up or there's no consipracy between us. Actually I wish there were, because that would mean that climate change isn't going to happen, but it is, unfortuantely.
Anyway, its not all doom and gloom. There are some very interesting technological developments going on. That said, I think we need to change our habits, particulary those on certain continents.
And anyway the oceans will absorb most of the human induced carbon dioxide anyway - but then, that will take around 2000 years, and who knows what will happen to the planet (and us humans) in that time. And all that carbon dioxide being drawn down into the oceans will make them more acidic - which the critters that live down there now won't particulary like. But anyway.....
It is mighty sad that Gore didn't get in. I really wish he had.
Posted by Declan on April 8, 2007, at 7:03:48
In reply to It is not junk science!!!!!, posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 8, 2007, at 3:31:37
Merri
Apart from the what's-caused-it-question (or of even less importance, who-is-a-hypocrite), what do you think of the planet's ability to cope with
global warming
climate change (food and water in particular)
an eventual world population of 12 billion, and
India and China and everywhere industrialising?
Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2007, at 9:50:36
In reply to It is not junk science!!!!!, posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 8, 2007, at 3:31:37
i don't believe that it is junk science. i believe that it is real. i am very observant of nature and have noted changes with wildlife for years and years. even my father, who died in the 90s, mentioned that things were shifting. he was 93 then.
http://edition.cnn.com:80/2007/TECH/science/04/06/dust.bowl.ap/ i live in texas......;-(
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on April 8, 2007, at 16:04:23
In reply to Re: It is not junk science!!!!! » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Declan on April 8, 2007, at 7:03:48
Hey Declan
You raised some interesting points.
The planet will cope fine - its whether it will cope in a way that is suited to human populace or not thats the issue.
Anyway that thing with 12 billion people, do you know thats a really important point? Ha! Can you believe this, we have a professor here at uni who goes to all these international climate (and biodiversity) policy making conferences (he's basically one of Finlands environmental delegates to the UN) anyway, he said that its an 'gentlemans agreement' that countries at these policy making UN conferences/debates don't actually mention the population/overcrowding issue at all? He says its too, I dunno, its just not mentioned - on purpose.
Apparently countries don't feel comfortable telling each other that their populations are getting too large. Or something like that. But its kinda odd. I mean, how is anything going to get solved?
Anyway, yes it will be a challenge to mitigate and adapt to climate change. And its the poorest and in the poorest countries who will suffer the most. But I dunno. Technology will develop, and things can be done, but its a question of whether people are ready to adapt and change their habits I think. I doubt when you've been driving a massive gas gruzzling truck/pick up type thing, you're going to readily change and start driving a one litre car. But anyway anyway.
Perhaps groundwater stuff isn't such a bad occupation to go into. hmmm.
Kind regards
Meri
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