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Posted by saturn on April 2, 2007, at 20:02:39
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » saturn, posted by Jay on April 2, 2007, at 15:22:25
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>> Yes, so he is supposed to live locked in his basement for the rest of his life?No, just to lead by example. For example, using mass transit/transportation as he espouses, instead of a private jet.
>> Bush fly's around in that nice little environmentally friendly "Air Force One"...so your logic about Al Gore needing a small jet to fly around in is absurd.Bush does not, to my knowledge, maintain that humans cause global warming. So he makes no contradiction between his speech and actions. Therefore my logic is not absurd. I do not suppose VP Gore would support an increase in private jet usage.
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> Now, about this so-called "report" from snopes.com, and then, READ THE TRUTH below. (And the person who wrote below is NOT even a fan of Al Gore.)
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> from: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/2/28/155124/075
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> The Tennessee Tax Dept. does not consider the "Tennessee Center for Policy Research," which roughly no one had heard of before this, a legitimate group. It's run by a long-time right-wing attack hack, and its only registered address is a P.O. box. Why is everyone in the media taking what it says about Gore's electricity use at face value?Good point. I should have provided a more concrete source. Since the burden is on me to support this assertion, I cannot stand by it.
>>>The changes he has wrought outweigh his personal carbon emissions by many orders of magnitude.
Do as I say, not as I do?
> So there it is, in black and white...the truth.
I respectfully disagree. If you're referring to global warming, and the claim that it is caused by humans, you have not referenced any "black and white" support.
>> Now, can we go on to solve this important problem, which your children and grandchildren will pay dearly for, called Global Warming?
If this is in fact the case, I certainly hope so.
Peace...Saturn.
Posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 20:06:42
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Jay, posted by saturn on April 2, 2007, at 20:02:39
saturn, have you "tracked" your carbon footprint to see how much change you can make in your usage of world energy? i'd be curious to see what your score is.......pat
Posted by saturn on April 2, 2007, at 20:15:14
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » saturn, posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 20:06:42
> saturn, have you "tracked" your carbon footprint to see how much change you can make in your usage of world energy? i'd be curious to see what your score is.......pat
No I haven't. I'm curious why you're curious about what my score would be.
Posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 20:18:14
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » saturn, posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 20:06:42
The truth is we won't solve it.
How could we?
Not just a question of political will, though that's lacking enough.
IMO we are moving into a crunch. And that will involve weird (and understandable) redemptive political movements. Like what you get with mass famine.
If WWI created fascism and communism, what will this create?
Posted by payday on April 2, 2007, at 20:59:07
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Jay, posted by Michael83 on April 2, 2007, at 4:18:13
-to further expand your insight Michael83 you may wish to read an English novel, "The Fool of Quality" by H. Brooke, in which the protagonist is very much the Al Gore of the 1700's, with a high degree of virtue and generosity.
-the philosopher William Godwin expressed the view that men acted according to reason,
- that it was impossible to be rationally persuaded and not act accordingly,
-that reason taught benevolence and that rational being would live in harmony,-someone please publish the Pop-up book for George jr. to explain the above. Before the cartoon.
Posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:05:26
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by saturn on April 2, 2007, at 20:15:14
you were so down on Gore's lifestyle, i'm curious about yours.
i learned a lot about myself when i took the test. some good and some bad.
Posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:06:10
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by payday on April 2, 2007, at 20:59:07
"The Fool of Quality" by H. Brooke.
Posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:08:19
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » saturn, posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:05:26
Look, I leave the computer on all day and I'm planning a long overseas trip by jet.
We're doomed.
Posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:19:37
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:08:19
> Look, I leave the computer on all day and I'm planning a long overseas trip by jet.
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> We're doomed.tsk, tsk, we are at that..........:-) couldn't you go by boat?? i went on a 10 day sailboat trip, in the Caribbean, and by my watch, we actually sailed for 45 minutes in 10 days. go figure that one out! we had an antsy pantsy boat captain..........i'll never forget the smell of the diesel.....instead of the saltwater........
Posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:24:17
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 2, 2007, at 21:19:37
Maybe a boat trip up one of those South East Asian Rivers while you still can before the Chinese dams stop them running?
The Salween, Mekong or Irrawaddy (then again, should keep away from Burma).
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 6:41:24
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:24:17
Thus far.....
Fuel consumption of American cars
Model T Ford......... 25mpg
Average for 1988.... 22.1mpg
Average for 2006.... 20.8mpg
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 14:34:14
In reply to Technological Solutions, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 6:41:24
> Thus far.....
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> Fuel consumption of American cars
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> Model T Ford......... 25mpg
> Average for 1988.... 22.1mpg
> Average for 2006.... 20.8mpg
>interesting that we're going backwards, now isn't it? i drive a 99 Silverado Chevy pickituptruck and i get 21 mph......good maintenance and cruise control....plus the 99 is one of the best that they built. i'm hanging on to it.....i walk to work......walk to the grocery store and library. (dry my clothes on the line, blah, blah, blah :-) )
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Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:35:11
In reply to Technological Solutions, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 6:41:24
In the UK
Airport passengers in 2005.........216M
Airport passengers for 2030........470MAmount to be spent
Widening the M1.........................3.6BPounds
On policies tackling climate change.....500MPounds
Tackling?
Has climate change has become a thing to be tackled?
No one ever talks about tackling terrorism.
The War on Terrorism and the Climate Change Tackle?
Must work like that.
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:52:57
In reply to Re: Technological Solutions » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 14:34:14
From "The Right Man" by David Frumm
"I once made the mistake of suggesting to Bush that he use the phrase 'cheap energy' to describe the name of his energy policy. He gave me a sharp, squinting look, as if trying to decide whether I was the stupidest person he'd heard from all day or only one of the top five. Cheap energy, he answered, was how we got into this mess. Every year, from the early 1970s to the mid 1990s, American cars had burned less and less oil per mile travelled. Then in about 1995 that progress had stopped. Why? He answered his own question: because of the gas-guzzling SUV. And what had made the SUV possible? This time I answered 'Um, cheap energy?'. He nodded at me. Dismissed."
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:55:50
In reply to Re: Technological Solutions » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:52:57
'A Memoir of a Boy in a Man's Prison'?
O my goodness.
Maybe I should believe in synchronicity?
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 15:05:37
In reply to Re: Technological Solutions, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 14:55:50
i think you should.........i do........:-)
Posted by payday on April 3, 2007, at 18:13:11
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by Declan on April 2, 2007, at 21:06:10
- Declan, jeting about like Gore, Bush and hopefully David Hicks. Leaving the PC on like the lights at Guantanamo Bay. Where do you draw the line, you lucky...lucky B....d.
Serially payday
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 19:24:15
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by payday on April 3, 2007, at 18:13:11
Apropos of nothing, I would like to say that President Bush uses geothermal heat pumps on his ranch at Crawford, much like (I suppose) President Reagan eating organic beef.
That's what I like. Our leaders setting an example.
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:15:58
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » payday, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 19:24:15
> Apropos of nothing, I would like to say that President Bush uses geothermal heat pumps on his ranch at Crawford, much like (I suppose) President Reagan eating organic beef.
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> That's what I like. Our leaders setting an example.yup, right.........right after he fires up his chainsaw..........to cut TREES down.........
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:16:52
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » payday, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 19:24:15
> Apropos of nothing, I would like to say that President Bush uses geothermal heat pumps on his ranch at Crawford, much like (I suppose) President Reagan eating organic beef.
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> That's what I like. Our leaders setting an example.he doesn't live very far from me. couple of hours.......
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:30:57
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » Declan, posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:15:58
Sixty years ago we could (I imagine) praise our leaders and never be suspected of irony.
Now all we have to do is praise them and it sounds like an insult.
Interesting.
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:38:47
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:30:57
> Sixty years ago we could (I imagine) praise our leaders and never be suspected of irony.
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> Now all we have to do is praise them and it sounds like an insult.
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> Interesting.
kinda hard to disguise the truth..........
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:41:44
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.., posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:38:47
That must be it.
Is that the same thing people mean when they say we have entered a phase beyond irony?
Posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:45:19
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:41:44
This one is famous.
Dick Cheney's Empire Christmas Card
24dec03
"If a sparrow can fall to the ground without His notice,
is it likely that an empire can rise without His help?"
Posted by fayeroe on April 3, 2007, at 20:45:29
In reply to Re: Saw 'An Inconvenient Truth' today.. » fayeroe, posted by Declan on April 3, 2007, at 20:41:44
> That must be it.
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> Is that the same thing people mean when they say we have entered a phase beyond irony?i believe that is what they are thinking......... do you think it is a widely understood theory???????????
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