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Posted by notfred on December 4, 2006, at 1:29:30
In reply to I think shrinks lie, posted by med_empowered on November 30, 2006, at 2:44:08
Why is it that its illegal to throw someone in jail because they're "strange" or "odd," but its perfectly legal to lock up a person who is "bipolar" or "schizophrenic" ?
It is not the condition they have that allows for a 72 hour hold, it is their actions. Being a danger to yourself or others gets a 72 hour hold. It is not that someone has bipolar, it is their sucide attempts and serious threats to others
that gets them locked up.My brother got placed on a 72 hr hold because he made serious threats to a neighbors life. Once he was admitted they found my number & my parents number in his wallet. He had stopped his AP. Going through his house it was clear he was in a dangerous state, both to himself and others. I feel he would not be here today if the neighbors had not called the police.
Posted by gardenergirl on December 4, 2006, at 1:29:30
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie, posted by notfred on November 30, 2006, at 16:17:49
So many folks still view those with any mental illness as "crazy people". My own father does, or at least did until I reminded him that I have a serious mental illness, major recurrent depression with atypical features, which puts me in the category he calls "crazy people". This took him aback since I'm otherwise "normal" to him.
So I think that it's important to speak up when we can about what mental illness is and what it's not. It's not "crazy". When folks view us as such, it "allows" them to treat us differently, with less dignity, with less respect, since you know, "we're just crazy".
I catch myself calling myself "crazy", "nuts", etc., and I pretty much always mean those terms with some affection. But if someone who is not informed and enlightened about mental illness hears me, I think that I'm contributing to carrying on the stigma. So I try hard not to do that. Plus, it feeds my own shame about having a mental illness that creeps up when I'm not doing as well. Why should we feel ashamed or be treated any different than someone who has diabetes or a heart condition or arthritis, etc.?
So while I agree that pdocs may not get it right all the time, and many of the drugs we are prescribed may not be the best ones for us, I do think that mental illness is real. It exists, and it's just as debilitating, or at least can be, as having the flu or a chronic medical condition. It's just something we don't know enough about yet. And we often don't know just why the meds that help do help. So if they help more than one disorder, I think that just means that there are not identified clear-cut boundaries between different disorders. At least not yet.
gg
Posted by Declan on December 4, 2006, at 1:29:30
In reply to Stigma of mental illness plays a big role, posted by gardenergirl on November 30, 2006, at 17:15:27
It helps to be tolerant of our peculiarities and to not expect life or ourselves to fall into the pattern we might wish them to. The issue of so called normal suffering vs the other sort gets discussed here, of course. IMO, as a society we are used to forms of thinking that are unhelpful and unsophisticated. Leslie Farber is very good on wilfulness, not only in the culture generally, but in therapists as well. It's so long ago that I forget the title.
Posted by Jimmyboy on December 4, 2006, at 1:29:30
In reply to Re: Stigma of mental illness plays a big role, posted by Declan on December 1, 2006, at 1:00:50
This may have been said above, bc I didn;t have time to read the whole thread, but they definitely lie, but I think they lie b/c their massive ego's won;t allow them to admit that they havn't the foggiest idea what their little drugs are doing to our brains, the long term effects or why they really work/don't work...
JB
Posted by notfred on December 4, 2006, at 1:29:30
In reply to I think shrinks lie, posted by med_empowered on November 30, 2006, at 2:44:08
" but its perfectly legal to lock up a person who is "bipolar" or "schizophrenic" ?
No one is locked up because they are either, UNLESS they are a danger to themselves or others.It is illegal to lock someone up just due to mental illness.
I think it is harmful to generalize in this matter
and post untruths such as these.
Posted by mindevolution on January 27, 2007, at 4:38:31
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie, posted by notfred on December 2, 2006, at 23:18:38
> " but its perfectly legal to lock up a person who is "bipolar" or "schizophrenic" ?
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> No one is locked up because they are either, UNLESS they are a danger to themselves or others.
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> It is illegal to lock someone up just due to mental illness.
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> I think it is harmful to generalize in this matter
> and post untruths such as these.how can you prove a mentally ill patient is a danger to others?
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2007, at 18:05:01
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie, posted by notfred on December 2, 2006, at 23:18:38
That's true you must be of danger to self or others. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2007, at 18:06:34
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie, posted by mindevolution on January 27, 2007, at 4:38:31
Maybe if they have a knife or gun or start beating on them or say they will harm the person to that person and others hear the threat. Love Phillipa
Posted by mindevolution on January 28, 2007, at 6:46:03
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie » mindevolution, posted by Phillipa on January 27, 2007, at 18:06:34
> Maybe if they have a knife or gun or start beating on them or say they will harm the person to that person and others hear the threat. Love Phillipa
what happens if just one person lies to the authorities and says you threatened them Phillipa? they take you away, how do you prove you didn't to the psychiatrist and that you are not mentally ill?
me
Posted by mindevolution on January 28, 2007, at 11:31:39
In reply to I think shrinks lie, posted by med_empowered on November 30, 2006, at 2:44:08
> Why is it that its illegal to throw someone in jail because they're "strange" or "odd," but its perfectly legal to lock up a person who is "bipolar" or "schizophrenic" ? And why is it that someone accussed of murder gets a trial by jury before being sent away, but someone who hears voices or acts oddly or just upsets those around them is sent away with the thumbs up of a low-level judge? And why is imprisonment "punishment" for one, and "treatment" for the other?
why indeed? do you think it has anything to do with power structures established in society?
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 28, 2007, at 11:31:39
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie, posted by mindevolution on January 27, 2007, at 4:43:15
it's a social construct
based on the assumption that white guys in suits who play by corporate rules and start wars that mutilate and kill children are rational and sane
king of hearts
choose your side
Posted by mindevolution on January 28, 2007, at 15:35:51
In reply to Re: I think shrinks lie, posted by elanor roosevelt on January 28, 2007, at 10:49:05
> it's a social construct
> based on the assumption that white guys in suits who play by corporate rules and start wars that mutilate and kill children are rational and sane
> king of hearts
> choose your sidewhat about the white guys in suits, just say two of them fall out over losing millions in a business deal. One of the two pays for a number of people to step forward to the authorities to offer evidence of psychotic violent behaviour. how can the guy accused of being violent and mentally ill prove otherwise?
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