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Posted by Declan on December 15, 2006, at 17:06:13
A while back John Howard met George Bush who said of him 'he has good values'.
Since then Blair and Bush have talked about values.
It is a sign of politics today that they should choose to fight on such a ground as this.
Posted by fayeroe on December 16, 2006, at 21:50:22
In reply to Values and Shamelessness, posted by Declan on December 15, 2006, at 17:06:13
it's hard for me to see anything of value in talking about "re-upping" soliders through 2010....my SIL is supposed to get out next October.......he just came back from Iraq.
Posted by Declan on December 16, 2006, at 23:41:40
In reply to Re: Values and Shamelessness, posted by fayeroe on December 16, 2006, at 21:50:22
SIL? Son in law? That must be such a worry.
These people like to mention Churchill, but you cannot imagine Churchill saying of Roosevelt (or vice versa) 'He has good values'.
I have a hard time understanding why Bush saying that was so annoying to me. Naturally I don't agree with the sentiments. Maybe I just didn't want to hear this President talk about who had good values?
This is getting close to narcissism as the driving force of modern politics, in the anglo-saxon countries at least.
Posted by fayeroe on December 17, 2006, at 15:32:15
In reply to Re: Values and Shamelessness, posted by Declan on December 16, 2006, at 23:41:40
> SIL? Son in law? That must be such a worry.
>
> These people like to mention Churchill, but you cannot imagine Churchill saying of Roosevelt (or vice versa) 'He has good values'.
>
> I have a hard time understanding why Bush saying that was so annoying to me. Naturally I don't agree with the sentiments. Maybe I just didn't want to hear this President talk about who had good values?
>
> This is getting close to narcissism as the driving force of modern politics, in the anglo-saxon countries at least.yes, my son-in-law. his unit hit a roadside bomb one day and he pulled five soldiers out of the fires......the news that we got was that they had hit the bomb and we didn't hear from him for 6 days. they were stranded out in the middle of nowhere and no one could get to them.....it was horrid. can you imagine the torment of going through something like that? i can't.
i just don't want him to go back..no how, no way.
values? it burns me up to hear values talked about now. my personal values don't cover so much of what is going on in their world and i can't deal with the way they throw the word around.
pat
Posted by dreamboat_annie on December 17, 2006, at 18:59:48
In reply to Re: Values and Shamelessness, posted by fayeroe on December 17, 2006, at 15:32:15
valueless society. It's all so opportunistic. Vote apathy has made it so that politicians no longer have to espouse the values upon which the foundations of society were built, they only have to be able to remember them, and cite them, long enough to make it through polling day. It's sad.
> > SIL? Son in law? That must be such a worry.
> >
> > These people like to mention Churchill, but you cannot imagine Churchill saying of Roosevelt (or vice versa) 'He has good values'.
> >
> > I have a hard time understanding why Bush saying that was so annoying to me. Naturally I don't agree with the sentiments. Maybe I just didn't want to hear this President talk about who had good values?
> >
> > This is getting close to narcissism as the driving force of modern politics, in the anglo-saxon countries at least.
>
> yes, my son-in-law. his unit hit a roadside bomb one day and he pulled five soldiers out of the fires......the news that we got was that they had hit the bomb and we didn't hear from him for 6 days. they were stranded out in the middle of nowhere and no one could get to them.....it was horrid. can you imagine the torment of going through something like that? i can't.
>
> i just don't want him to go back..no how, no way.
>
> values? it burns me up to hear values talked about now. my personal values don't cover so much of what is going on in their world and i can't deal with the way they throw the word around.
> pat
>
Posted by fayeroe on December 17, 2006, at 19:55:01
In reply to Values of convenience in a what is becoming a » fayeroe, posted by dreamboat_annie on December 17, 2006, at 18:59:48
and they don't forget to vote themselves raises.................
Posted by Declan on December 18, 2006, at 1:53:42
In reply to Re: Values of convenience in a what is becoming a » dreamboat_annie, posted by fayeroe on December 17, 2006, at 19:55:01
This is not a party political thing. Maybe it has something to do with celebrity culture?
When I think of photos of leaders of the Australian Labor Party 50 years ago, what strikes me is how extraordinarily unfashionable they were (I mean, ugly), and yet these were men of substance, and so were their opponents, by todays standards. They fought hard, but more fairly than today, and they had ideas. These members of the ALP would have known all the theory in Marx and Keynes, they would have read the original, they would have had real jobs in the world, as Chifley was a train driver.
What values do the current lot say they stand for anyway? I suppose they mean democracy. That's the kind of hide you expect these days.
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