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Posted by Bobby on May 22, 2006, at 19:01:32
I'm all for them(PETA, ect...). But remember, man's cruelty pales when compared with nature---which basically gives an animal the right to be another animal's dinner.
Posted by llrrrpp on May 22, 2006, at 22:50:17
In reply to Animal rights activists, posted by Bobby on May 22, 2006, at 19:01:32
Hmm, I wonder if we would have any meds available to us if animal experimentation were unavailable?
I can't do the research (allergic to rats, cats, dogs) but someone has to, if we're to subject humans to it, we want to make sure it doesn't cause tumors, or blindness, or liver failure.
Or maybe we should go herbal, and do people-experimentation instead?
Posted by madeline on May 23, 2006, at 6:47:13
In reply to Animal rights activists, posted by Bobby on May 22, 2006, at 19:01:32
At least in nature the animal has the ability to try to defend itself from predators. This predator/prey relationship improves both species in the long run.
Human cruelty I think is particularly heinous because there is usually little chance for the animal to even try to stop what is happening to them.
Posted by curtm on May 25, 2006, at 13:38:41
In reply to Re: Animal rights activists, posted by llrrrpp on May 22, 2006, at 22:50:17
>> do people-experimentation instead?
I'll volunteer. For my fellow man y'know.
Posted by llrrrpp on May 25, 2006, at 13:45:28
In reply to Re: Animal rights activists, posted by curtm on May 25, 2006, at 13:38:41
There are lots of opportunities to be a research "participant" They like to call it participation, rather than being a "subject" haha
If you're in the USA try this
http://clinicalstudies.info.nih.gov/
and search for "curt" to see if they have any studies for people like you.
Posted by curtm on May 25, 2006, at 14:19:23
In reply to Re: Animal rights activists, posted by llrrrpp on May 25, 2006, at 13:45:28
Weren't there some "horror stories" of such human experiments done in institutions long ago, or is that a myth too?
Posted by llrrrpp on May 25, 2006, at 14:37:46
In reply to Re: Animal rights activists » llrrrpp, posted by curtm on May 25, 2006, at 14:19:23
Yes, bad things happen to good participants.
In any research study you participate in, you will have to sign a consent form. It will tell you what you can expect to experience during the study, and what benefits you may receive. It must also tell you what the risks of participating are. After you read it, supposedly you are "informed" and then you sign it, and you become a "participant". There are "adverse events" which usually have to be reported to a higher authority, like the NIH, r the FDA, but usually they are rare. Investigators don't want to harm their "participants" (permanently, anyway) so they will usually err on the side of caution. Fortunately, for all studies, you may withdraw at any time, for any reason (for instance, your dose of Fukitol kicked in, and you don't want to participate any longer). Those are the basic human rights for participants. (in the USA)
-ll
Posted by Jay on May 28, 2006, at 0:27:54
In reply to Animal rights activists, posted by Bobby on May 22, 2006, at 19:01:32
> I'm all for them(PETA, ect...). But remember, man's cruelty pales when compared with nature---which basically gives an animal the right to be another animal's dinner.
>Sorry..but I disagree. Have you ever seen an animal set up a Concentration Camp, or use deadly munitions against innocent people, or drop a nuclear bomb? It's like a t-shirt I had years ago...with a cartoon picture of a whale wearing a "Save the humans" saying on it.
Jay
Posted by Jakeman on May 29, 2006, at 2:21:14
In reply to Animal rights activists, posted by Bobby on May 22, 2006, at 19:01:32
It's a horrible truth, that life depends on other death.
warm regards, Jake
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