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Posted by Jakeman on October 25, 2005, at 0:30:51
Let us face some facts. We have a few criminals running the country. The president, vice president and secretary of state have all lied to the public. They have violated their oath to office. They have lied repeatedly and should be thrown out of office. I can post many refences to this assertion and will be glad to post them but it is very lengthy. I just want some truth to come out as a matter of consience. If you want to prioritize, the biggest lie is why we went to went to war with Iraq. It't not about Democratic vs Republican it's about ethics.
warm regards ~Jake
Posted by Declan on October 25, 2005, at 17:09:23
In reply to Let's face the facts, posted by Jakeman on October 25, 2005, at 0:30:51
My son downloaded this film clip, made I think by some Australians. Heavily edited of course, and I hope so too. The question put was 'Which country should America invade next?' and a map was put in front of the person for him/her to nominate a country. The names on the countries were wrong, so that for example the Australian mainland became North Korea and Tasmania became South Korea. Didn't faze them. One person quickly enough found North Korea on this map, then South Korea, and then said, 'I hadn't realised North Korea was so much bigger than South Korea.'
An informed citizenry, where have I heard that, how it's neccessary for democracy?
Since the American people are not an imperial people like the British were, it's neccessary to lie to them , I guess.
Murdoch/Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Blair/Howard. Aren't they choice?
The chardonnay sipping latte crowd of diplomats, public servants etc said the same thing here (ethics etc), and were abused by the government, for being out of touch with the people of Australia.
The unfortunate thing about this criminal lot is that the public seems to have bought their feelings of self regard, their acting out the role of decency and virtue. Which suggests something disturbing about the public, no?
Murdoch in particular has a lot to answer for. But in spite of his prediction (before the war), oil is not $20 a barrel.
Declan
Posted by alexandra_k on October 25, 2005, at 18:23:38
In reply to Re: Let's face the facts » Jakeman, posted by Declan on October 25, 2005, at 17:09:23
> An informed citizenry, where have I heard that, how it's neccessary for democracy?i talk about that sometimes... i think i brought it up over on admin...
one of my friends is doing a masters thesis on an authentic democracy. from within education. based on the work of some educational theorist whose name i can't spell... the thought is you need to foster a 'community of inquirey' which means the function of education is to get people thinking, knowing how to access relevant information, and thinking critically especially.
that kind of education system is needed in order for an authentic democracy (which requires informed citizens) to be possible...
or thats what i gather at any rate...
Posted by caraher on October 26, 2005, at 10:55:44
In reply to Re: Let's face the facts » Declan, posted by alexandra_k on October 25, 2005, at 18:23:38
I saw that "whom should we attack next?" clip - I'd have thought the Australian accent of the interviewer should have tipped off his victims.
> one of my friends is doing a masters thesis on an authentic democracy. from within education. based on the work of some educational theorist whose name i can't spell... the thought is you need to foster a 'community of inquirey' which means the function of education is to get people thinking, knowing how to access relevant information, and thinking critically especially.
And at least here in the US, when you look at the state of education and the kinds of things educational reform movements focus on (boosting standardized test scores), the only conclusion I can draw is that our system of education is most definitely NOT aimed at fostering true democracy.
I'm always horrified when I read about teachers who say their role is to ensure their students are prepared for the workplace. That's certainly *a* desirable outcome of an education, but I'd hope one would set one's sights far higher than that! Little wonder even the "educated" Americans are so uncritical of their governmental, political and economic institutions!
Posted by Jakeman on October 26, 2005, at 22:15:57
In reply to Re: Let's face the facts, posted by caraher on October 26, 2005, at 10:55:44
Good teachers are so important. Not to instill beliefs but to teach them to think, to not be a sheep.
warm regards ~Jake
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2005, at 0:54:35
In reply to Let's face the facts, posted by Jakeman on October 25, 2005, at 0:30:51
> Let us face some facts. We have a few criminals running the country.
Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zeugma on October 29, 2005, at 17:27:26
In reply to Let's face the facts, posted by Jakeman on October 25, 2005, at 0:30:51
> Let us face some facts. We have a few criminals running the country. The president, vice president and secretary of state have all lied to the public. They have violated their oath to office. They have lied repeatedly and should be thrown out of office. I can post many refences to this assertion and will be glad to post them but it is very lengthy. I just want some truth to come out as a matter of consience. If you want to prioritize, the biggest lie is why we went to went to war with Iraq. It't not about Democratic vs Republican it's about ethics.
>
> warm regards ~Jakei regret the orwellian logic that led to your being blocked.
but here is the relevant document:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf
-z
Posted by zeugma on October 29, 2005, at 17:36:41
In reply to Re: Let's face the facts » Jakeman, posted by zeugma on October 29, 2005, at 17:27:26
a remarkable feature of this case is that it casts the Bush Administration against the CIA, a relation that is to my very limited knowledge unprecedented, and alarming in itself, but additionally grave in this era of secrecy and wars against terrorism.
-z
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2005, at 20:26:48
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Jakeman, posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2005, at 0:54:35
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20051013/msgs/573181.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zeugma on October 30, 2005, at 13:56:58
In reply to a remarkable feature of this case, posted by zeugma on October 29, 2005, at 17:36:41
> a remarkable feature of this case is that it casts the Bush Administration against the CIA, a relation that is to my very limited knowledge unprecedented, and alarming in itself, but additionally grave in this era of secrecy and wars against terrorism.
>
> -zmore on this matter: what are the implications for a government conducting a war on terror and also, it seems, a war against its own intelligence service?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/29/AR2005102901021.html
-z
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