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Posted by Impermanence on January 11, 2005, at 0:36:24
In reply to Re: Rohypnol - The date rape drug!!!!!, posted by Dan Perkins on January 6, 2005, at 21:21:01
There's a date rape problem here like everywhere, and America banning useful Rohypnol is not going to solve any date rape problem. You'll still be able to buy it on the net and on the street and anyother hypnotic benzodiazepine will do the same job just like many other drugs. At least Rohypnol has a blue dye in it.
The problem is with society not Rohypnol. It's media hype, and when the government bans the drug it works in there favour with the duller masses. It's just the same as making any drug illegal, it doesen't solve any problem, only pushes it underground and dirty and fuels billions for gangsters. Over here in Ireland we have the highest drug and alcohol abuse problem in Europe. Drugs are everywhere and the E, coke and smack people take is cut with all sorts of dirt. It's a dangerous underground scene where gangsters profit and people get shot.
Teenagers just being teenagers out clubbing on a few E get cought with drugs and get a criminal record that will effect them later in life when theve grown up and out of the drug phase.
The government could legalize all drugs, make them safe with strict control, educate everybody properly, use the high tax (which would be an enormous amout of money) to open proper free drug treatment centers to help those that want help to get help. It's impossible to get decent treatment places here if you can't afford it, and the waiting list could be a year long, it's a joke. Private ones cost from E4,000 to E12,000 for one months stay. The money could also be used to find ways to fulfill the empty void inside society that seems to need drugs to fill.
It would do serious damage to the criminal underground. Kids just being kids with a bit of weed woulden't get a criminal record. People could take clean drugs in safe environments with the right medical care if things go wrong. Clean needles for junkies. Kids could talk to their perents without being afrid, the subject would be open for all with no fear or misunderstanding.
Police could use the huge wasted resources on more serious issues.
Anyone who wants any drug over here can get it in abundence anywhere. The problem woulden't get any worse if it was legal, it would only get better. Everyone I know uses drugs or abused drugs at some point, it's huge and drugs being illegal only makes things worse, dark and underground.
Look at Amsterdam, Ireland has a far higher cannabis and all drug abuse problem than Holland, I'm actually very stoned as I write this lol. Because kids grow up there thinking weed is no big deal and it's ok to talk and know about it, it lessons the attraction. Anyone whose going to smoke weed will smoke it regardless of if it's illegal or not.
Look at Prohibition in America. "PROHIBITION (1920–1933 R.I.P.) was known as The Noble Experiment. The results of the experiment are clear: innocent people suffered; organized crime grew into an empire; the police, courts, and politicians became increasingly corrupt; disrespect for the law grew; and the per capita consumption of the prohibited substance—alcohol—increased dramatically, year by year, for the thirteen years of this Noble Experiment, never to return to the pre-1920 levels.
You would think that an experiment with such clear results would not need to be repeated; but the experiment is being repeated; it's going on today. Only the prohibited substances have changed. The results remain the same. They are more devastating now than they were then."
In France they have a very relaxed attude to alcohol, they drink wine every day, kids drink it at dinner, it's no big deal. In Ireland you grow up and you're told you can't do this you can't do that, fear, fear, trouble ect. It's not a relaxed attude and we have one of the highest drink problems in the world and most certainly in Europe followed closely by the U.K. which is the exact same culture and attitude as Ireland. People binge over here, everything has to be extreme and in excess, it's so fast paced. Everythings now,now,now. People get drunk to quick and theres chaos on the streets of the citys at night.Society is seriously flawed in it's attude to drugs. It all needs to be put on the table and rewritten, people need to be reprogrammed, mind sets changed, people need to be properly educated not filled with fear. Tolerance will bring calm. It's getting more like George Orwell's novel 1984 every day, you can't turn without being on camera, all brainwashed by the media, the whole world is crazy. We're controlled and manipulated like little robots and the handful that tells us what to do are doing it for money and power and they don't seem to have a clue how to deal with a drug problem or really care, as long as the rich keep getting richer who cares. Hell everyone even knows the C.I.A. are the biggest drug dealers in the world, funding there secret missions to create wars around the world to promote "new democracy" in Americas favour, well a handful of bankers and shareholders in the multinational corporations of America.
Man I've just gone on a rant, sorry, as I said, stoned!!!
Yea about Rohypnol, If you're sick enough and your mind is distorted enough to rape another human being and devastate there lives with no compassion, you're going to do it whether or not Rohypnol is banned.
It's society that needs to change. Not the drugs.
Posted by darkhorse on January 11, 2005, at 0:36:24
In reply to Re: people who really need certain medications » Dr. Bob, posted by dancingstar on January 10, 2005, at 0:42:06
I really do not understand.
I took Rohypnol and I agree it is a very useful hypnotic.I liked it more than any other hypnotic,and in reality it is no more than a potent benzo.....
Why the big issue about it? as mentioned before any benzo,given the right dose,will induce a powerful amnestic effect......
When I was in Egypt,I knew a person who used to hookers,and he told me that twice he saw them taking mega doses of clonazepam to give an amnestic effect so, here you go!!......
IMOHO I think that Flunitrazepam is no better or worse than ANY other benzo,and I do not understand why it got targeted....
Banning Rohypnol won't solve anything..
It is time for authoroties and scientists to have a good,deep and HONEST look about ALCOHOL!!
Dark Horse
Posted by alexandra_k on January 11, 2005, at 19:35:13
In reply to Re: Rohypnol is great!!!!, posted by darkhorse on January 10, 2005, at 9:20:44
There probably are lots of other drugs that would work just as well for spiking drinks. The trouble comes when the people who do this figure out WHAT DRUG works well for these purposes and WHAT SYMPTOMS one needs to feign in order to obtain some of it.
We have a campaign going on over here.
- drink from bottles not glasses (harder to get something into it).
-hold it or keep an eye on it AT ALL TIMES.
-Don't accept unopened drinks from strangers.It must be frustrating when something that is useful gets banned because of misuses. I would like to see a more liberal stance taken on drugs myself. But I think I understand the rationale for what they are trying to do...
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