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Posted by Cass on January 6, 2005, at 23:32:25
20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=16478865. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here
http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/487419017. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother. Does someone not know this?
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/
Posted by AuntieMel on January 7, 2005, at 9:53:45
In reply to 20 Amazing facts about voting in the USA, posted by Cass on January 6, 2005, at 23:32:25
The amazing thing is that most of this was known well before the election and there wasn't more public outcry.
I for one wrote letters about the lack of paper trail. I write software for a living and know! that it is never perfect. I was worried the second I heard about no paper trail. Geez - hackers have got into secure government computers. There's no reason to think this would be better.
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 7, 2005, at 14:27:33
In reply to Re: 20 Amazing facts about voting in the USA, posted by AuntieMel on January 7, 2005, at 9:53:45
Well, Mel...you KNOW how hard it is to write transactions to a file!!! Jeepers!! ;-)
Heck, you wanna see a paper trail, watch me walk out of any ladies room....
Posted by AuntieMel on January 7, 2005, at 15:49:52
In reply to Re: 20 Amazing facts about voting in the USA, posted by TofuEmmy on January 7, 2005, at 14:27:33
Let's see....do I use print? fprint? oh, never mind.
I never leave a paper trail. (you use paper??)
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 7, 2005, at 16:30:31
In reply to Re: You're right » TofuEmmy, posted by AuntieMel on January 7, 2005, at 15:49:52
Yes, I use paper - continuous form green/white stripe paper. Doesn't everyone?
Posted by AuntieMel on January 7, 2005, at 16:41:46
In reply to Re: You're right » AuntieMel, posted by TofuEmmy on January 7, 2005, at 16:30:31
Why no. Don't you know that with computers we become a "paperless" society?
It must be true. I am the only one here that knows how to load a printer and I'm old as the hills. My first home computer was a commodore 64.
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 7, 2005, at 19:16:54
In reply to Re: You're right » TofuEmmy, posted by AuntieMel on January 7, 2005, at 16:41:46
What??? No Vic 20?? You're just a babe in the woods. :-)
Posted by AuntieMel on January 8, 2005, at 21:06:23
In reply to Re: You're right » AuntieMel, posted by TofuEmmy on January 7, 2005, at 19:16:54
What's a vic 20?
Posted by TofuEmmy on January 8, 2005, at 23:05:57
In reply to Re: I'll bite » TofuEmmy, posted by AuntieMel on January 8, 2005, at 21:06:23
http://oldcomputers.net/vic20.html
My ex hubby still owns one, along with a commodore 64 and the sup'd up 128! :-) Our basement looked like a room at the Smithsonian. Geek City.
Posted by AuntieMel on January 10, 2005, at 14:07:35
In reply to Re: I'll bite, posted by TofuEmmy on January 8, 2005, at 23:05:57
I'll compare your basements to my closets.
C-64 was the first "home" computer - I used computers at work and didn't see a need for one at home. I used the C-64 (and then the C-128 - boy, I thought that one just flew!) to modem into school.
At work we had "Trash-80s" I still have a disk for one at home. It contains my alltime favorite game - "adventure" also known occasionally as "caves"
Notice there are retro "Atari" games available now? I still have 2 of the originals, and a box of games.
Should we also compare vintage stereo equipment?
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