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Everyone has the same constraints (nm)

Posted by MKB on December 16, 2004, at 8:42:11

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 8:09:51

 

Re: To Jai

Posted by ed_uk on December 16, 2004, at 10:08:56

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 8:09:51

>I knew I couldn't join in because I am so uncertain of the rules and I have so many feelings, thoughts, beliefs and ideas.

Hi,

Please do join in. :-)
Generally you will be OK so long as you don't use any bad language.

Ed.

 

Re: To Jai

Posted by AuntieMel on December 16, 2004, at 10:55:46

In reply to Re: To Jai, posted by ed_uk on December 16, 2004, at 10:08:56

And it's safe for sure to talk about your own beliefs. It's when talking about others that the verbal gymnastics get involved.

 

okay here goes

Posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 16:26:59

In reply to Re: To Jai, posted by AuntieMel on December 16, 2004, at 10:55:46

I have never understood why gay people didn't have the same rights as other people?
I am into fairness and equality of rights.
I have choosen not to marry my partner (male) but I would feel really unhappy if I didn't have a choice.
My beliefs are to celebrate all of our lovely diversity.

This seems to be the last place where we need to grow.

IMHO
Ja*

 

Re: If I were single » Bobby

Posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 18:44:37

In reply to If I were single » Gabbix2, posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 9:10:41

> you could marry me. I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Would that be moral? :)

Telling jokes that bad, and that mouldy I'm surprised you're not single : ) actually the joke itself is terrible enough as to be considered immoral Bobby, that's what I think you should concern yourself with, actually.

Can you tell I'm teasing you by my type?
I hope so.

And you know, I've lost your e-mail addy and have something I'd like to send you that I can't send through babble mail (no it's not illicit it's got a picture on it) could you send me an e-mail? Or babble mail me your addy.

Thanks Bobby.


 

Re: If I were single » Gabbix2

Posted by Bobby on December 16, 2004, at 20:42:44

In reply to Re: If I were single » Bobby, posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 18:44:37

Sure Miss Gabbi!
bobby30548@yahoo.com
yeah, that was a cheesy bit.:)

 

Redirect: posting policies

Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 1:10:50

In reply to Re: please be civil » KaraS, posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 0:32:19

> Kara's statement was no different than saying The subject of abortion divided a town...

Just wanted to let you know, I replied over at PB Administration. Here's a link:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/430623.html

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: To Jai

Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 4:58:42

In reply to okay here goes, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 16:26:59

Hi Jai,

I'm glad you posted!

>I have choosen not to marry my partner (male) but I would feel really unhappy if I didn't have a choice.

Are you a woman ...or are you a man living in a country where gay marriage is legal?

Regards,
Ed.

 

Re: okay here goes » Jai Narayan

Posted by AuntieMel on December 17, 2004, at 14:19:16

In reply to okay here goes, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 16:26:59

Beautifully put and perfectly within the guidelines!

I agree with you on all points. What can be wrong with more love, fairness and equality?

I was at one time a 'conservative' when it meant less government - spending *and* intrusion into people's rights. I think now I would most closely be called a libertarian.

 

Re: okay here goes

Posted by jclint on December 18, 2004, at 15:00:13

In reply to Re: okay here goes » Jai Narayan, posted by AuntieMel on December 17, 2004, at 14:19:16

My 2cents...

I think a big reason Bush is dispised outside the US is that his religion is very much integral to his politics. I think the blurring of personal religious beliefs and politics is very worrying for many (myself included).

Although the obvious reason he's disliked is that he comes across as one of the most stupid people on the planet...:D

 

Re: okay here goes (nm)

Posted by jclint on December 18, 2004, at 15:17:04

In reply to Re: okay here goes, posted by jclint on December 18, 2004, at 15:00:13

 

Re: okay here goes » jclint

Posted by jclint on December 18, 2004, at 15:17:56

In reply to Re: okay here goes (nm), posted by jclint on December 18, 2004, at 15:17:04

Dammit... sorry. That was meant to be an apology for going off the topic :P

 

Re: If I were single » Bobby

Posted by Gabbix2 on December 18, 2004, at 19:27:45

In reply to Re: If I were single » Gabbix2, posted by Bobby on December 16, 2004, at 20:42:44

> Sure Miss Gabbi!
> bobby30548@yahoo.com
> yeah, that was a cheesy bit.:)

yeah, that was a cheesy bit.:)

Yeah, and besides, if you were single you'd be doggin our enchantress miss slinky ; )

If this gets redirected my face will be so red..
and Dr. Bob I will never forgive you!
I'm finished I promise.

 

AuntieMe

Posted by Jai Narayan on December 18, 2004, at 21:20:53

In reply to Re: okay here goes » Jai Narayan, posted by AuntieMel on December 17, 2004, at 14:19:16

thank you.
I saw in you a kindred spirit.
jai

 

Re: blocked for week » jclint

Posted by Dr. Bob on December 19, 2004, at 19:28:51

In reply to Re: okay here goes, posted by jclint on December 18, 2004, at 15:00:13

> the obvious reason he's disliked is that he comes across as one of the most stupid people on the planet...:D

Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob

 

but I am not single » Gabbix2

Posted by Bobby on December 20, 2004, at 8:22:35

In reply to Re: If I were single » Bobby, posted by Gabbix2 on December 18, 2004, at 19:27:45

How dare you use doggin and miss Slinky in the same sentence! :) However, i have always professed my admiration for the Dreamer. And "what it" is open ended. It is my belief that Slinky was not sent here for mere mortals such as myself. :) Thanks for the hilarious e-mail!

 

Re: AuntieMe » Jai Narayan

Posted by AuntieMel on December 22, 2004, at 16:15:55

In reply to AuntieMe, posted by Jai Narayan on December 18, 2004, at 21:20:53

Kindred spirits we are. I've seen that for a while - even during the time you thought I was whacked out.......

 

Re: Gay Marriage » ed_uk

Posted by olysi79 on December 28, 2004, at 17:47:11

In reply to Gay Marriage, posted by ed_uk on December 13, 2004, at 5:11:01

I agree 100 percent with you, Ed.


> >MKB said 'What if folks demand their "civil rights" to marry in groups, to marry their dog, to marry their mother, to marry a child, etc? Slippery slope, it is.'
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I resent the implication that gay marriage is in any way comparable to these. Gay marriage would be a partnership between two consenting adults.
>
> Ed.
>

 

Re: Gay Marriage » olysi79

Posted by ed_uk on December 28, 2004, at 20:15:07

In reply to Re: Gay Marriage » ed_uk, posted by olysi79 on December 28, 2004, at 17:47:11

Hi!

Thank you :-)

Just in case you were curious, I am gay.

Best Regards,
Ed.

 

Military

Posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2005, at 16:11:46

In reply to Re: Gay Marriage » olysi79, posted by ed_uk on December 28, 2004, at 20:15:07

Wow. I can't believe I missed this thread. What about homosexuals in the military then? I can't for the life of me work out what is wrong with that one... I mean there must be an 'official reason' - anyone know what it is???

A slippery slope argument again? (sigh)...

 

Re: Gay Marriage » ed_uk

Posted by olysi79 on January 2, 2005, at 20:20:35

In reply to Re: Gay Marriage » olysi79, posted by ed_uk on December 28, 2004, at 20:15:07

Me too Ed :-)

> Hi!
>
> Thank you :-)
>
> Just in case you were curious, I am gay.
>
> Best Regards,
> Ed.

 

Re: Gay People » olysi79

Posted by ed_uk on January 2, 2005, at 20:44:29

In reply to Re: Gay Marriage » ed_uk, posted by olysi79 on January 2, 2005, at 20:20:35

Hello :-)

It's nice to know that I'm not the only one! (in babble-land)

Best Regards,
Ed.

 

Re: What do conservative Americans stand for?

Posted by rayww on February 28, 2005, at 12:05:58

In reply to Re: What do conservative Americans stand for? » MKB, posted by Bling Bling on December 12, 2004, at 23:56:49

Canada has just launched a funded study to see if Gay Marriage will open the door to polygamy. If you define Gay marriage as union between any two consenting adults how can you prevent polygamy, polyandramy, and all the others. It will create such a mess that the only next step will be to abolish marriage all together. If in public education we have to present all of these forms of union to our children and teach them it is a choice I can guarantee that will be the downfall of public education.

What would stop two consenting adults who are looking for husbands, but haven't yet found them, from organizing a professional union so that one can collect the benefits generated by the other? Think of the benefits to all the unwed mothers who want to stay at home with their babies. All they have to do to receive social benefits is find another consenting female. They wouldn't even need to live in the same house, or be gay. Divorce would become as easy as using a credit card, and no lawyers would get rich because there would be no marriage. Lawyers should consider this carefully.

Then comes the fulfillment of political prophecy.

And, where did this "homophobic" label come from? Do I get to wear it just for supporting traditional sacred marriage? Someone is not looking carefully at the outcomes of dismanteling marriage. Let's keep marriage up there as something sacred and holy. Even saved for one and one only. First sexual experience and last should be within the bounds of legal marriage. How many partners would a gay couple have before they decided to marry one of them, and would they only marry one at at time? I have no idea how they do things. I'm pretty sheltered. And I try to shelter marriage.

 

Gay Marriage Benefits Society » rayww

Posted by snoozin on February 28, 2005, at 19:29:24

In reply to Re: What do conservative Americans stand for?, posted by rayww on February 28, 2005, at 12:05:58

I think permitting gay marriage is honoring the sanctity of the union, not demeaning it. I haven't heard yet a rational argument for banning gay marriage. I want to take this outside of a religious context though. That is for each person to decide based on his/her beliefs.

But barring religion, in western society, marriage has been nothing but a legal contract, creating one entity, for the purposes of legitimizing heirs and specifying property rights. Period. Only recently have we truly be free to marry for love. How many historical marriages were made for land acquisition, wealth acquisition, power, honor, legitimacy? It's only been recent history that women have any rights at all in a marriage. In many countries, they still don't.
>>Do I get to wear it just for supporting traditional sacred marriage?
<<Can't you support traditional sacred marriage *without* trying to ban gay marriage?

>> Someone is not looking carefully at the outcomes of dismanteling marriage.
<<Yeah, it's called American society, where something like 75% of kids grow up in a single household.

 

Re: Gay Marriage Benefits Society » snoozin

Posted by rayww on March 7, 2005, at 0:45:15

In reply to Gay Marriage Benefits Society » rayww, posted by snoozin on February 28, 2005, at 19:29:24

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,FF.html

This proclamation to the world was first delivered to all the women in our church in 1995. At the time we wondered why it would be necessary to explain the meaning of something as basic to life as marriage and family. Fast forward ten years to today, and examine what has become of marriage. You are right when you say 75% of all kids now grow up in a single household. Marriage and family is literally in ruin, and as far as I can see, legalizing gay marriage will only make it worse.

I challenge you to read and study the proclamation. It is modern scripture specific to our day. It is true.

We don't need to identify all the ways in which one can alter or abuse marriage. Legalizing all forms of marriage will not make them right, it will only make them legal, and that is wrong.


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