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Posted by henrietta on December 15, 2004, at 8:25:14
In reply to Re: The other side » henrietta, posted by Gabbix2 on December 14, 2004, at 22:58:23
Thank you, Gabbix2. That means a lot to me.
hen
Posted by AuntieMel on December 15, 2004, at 8:39:26
In reply to Re: please respect the views of others, posted by Dr. Bob on December 14, 2004, at 17:18:18
That is exactly what I am trying to do - explore the issue without too much emotion and use logical arguments. I would be more than happy to hear any logical arguments, and would (I swear) explore them.
I thought I made it pretty clear in that post that I was referring to the media mostly, and that I hoped we babblers could do better.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 15, 2004, at 9:05:15
In reply to Re: Pandora's Box, posted by MKB on December 15, 2004, at 0:09:43
Sure, there will be gay divorce. There are splits right now and they tie up courts even more because there are no "rules" to go by. And the one person considered the "parent" could completely shut out the other one. Is this in the best interest of the child? Aren't the children the most important part of the equation?
Yes, many heterosexual couples hold marriages together "for the sake of the children <adopted ones too!>." My parents did it, and it was a miserable place to be. I'm convinced that having one happy parent is infinately better than two miserable ones.
I've been married, more or less happily, for 22 years - my second marriage. I had one child I was forced to give up for adoption, one with my first husband and one with my second. And my sister is gay with three kids from a marriage before she came out. I've pretty much seen it from all sides.
Will marriage become a moot point? I doubt it. Because we are talking about human beings, not corporations, and as humans we want to live in a home with love and family, two cats in the yard, the whole bit. It just seems unfair to me to limit that dream to heterosexuals.
Posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 9:10:41
In reply to Re: Pandora's Box » MKB, posted by Gabbix2 on December 15, 2004, at 1:24:35
you could marry me. I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Would that be moral? :)
Posted by ed_uk on December 15, 2004, at 9:46:27
In reply to If I were single » Gabbix2, posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 9:10:41
Hi Bobby :-)
Do you mean that you are a man who is attracted to women but you want to be a woman?
Ed.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 15, 2004, at 10:13:00
In reply to Re: If I were single » Bobby, posted by ed_uk on December 15, 2004, at 9:46:27
Oy, too confusing.
My shrink asked me if I thought I had any gender issues. I've always preferred male conversation, "male" career choices, etc. I'd much rather talk football (soccer) than shoes.
Problem: I also get turned on by men. Puts a crimp in the 'are you a lesbian' question.
Posted by MKB on December 15, 2004, at 10:22:48
In reply to Re: Pandora's Box, posted by MKB on December 15, 2004, at 0:09:43
It is not always necessary to marry in order to get legal protections. Many couples, gay and heterosexual, prefer not to marry, but they can still get legal protections in many areas.
"Many (though not all) of the rights, privileges, and protections that married couples receive are also available to people in unmarried relationships, although for unmarried relationships they don't happen automatically. People in unmarried relationships can work with a lawyer to prepare the documents listed below, or use one of several excellent do-it-yourself legal guides. Many lawyers advise people in unmarried relationships to prepare (explanations for each are below):
1. A durable power of attorney for healthcare (or healthcare proxy)
2. A living together (or domestic partnership) agreement
3. A will
4. A durable power of attorney for financial management"from www.unmarried.org
Posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 10:27:48
In reply to Re: If I were single » Bobby, posted by ed_uk on December 15, 2004, at 9:46:27
Don't take me too seriously Ed. I've no desire to be a woman but you could pass me the Quaaludes and some Heroin.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 15, 2004, at 11:50:16
In reply to Re: Pandora's Box, posted by MKB on December 15, 2004, at 10:22:48
Yes, this is true. Legally, if you have the foresight (how many people don't even have a will!) you can create many safeguards.
The jury is still out, though, on how well they stand up. Sure, you might eventually win in court, but if the hospital won't let you see your partner, much less let you make crucial medical decisions, does it really make a difference?
And there have been multiple stories of judges refusing to consider a mother for custody of a child in a (heterosexual) divorce if the mother has just come out.
However, you are correct that, with good lawyers, a degree of civil protection can be had.
There are still a few that the best lawyers can't fix, the court testimony issue being one.
But we all know that, to most people, marriage is a powerful symbol of commitment. It just doesn't seem fair to me that it is only abailable to heterosexuals.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 15, 2004, at 11:51:54
In reply to Re: If I were single » ed_uk, posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 10:27:48
"I've no desire to be a woman" begs the Seinfield "not that there's anything wrong with that"
Posted by ed_uk on December 15, 2004, at 13:30:42
In reply to Re: If I were single » ed_uk, posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 10:27:48
Sorry, I don't have any Quaaludes or heroin!
Ed.
Posted by Jai Narayan on December 15, 2004, at 18:15:55
In reply to Re: What do conservative Americans stand for? » Jai Narayan, posted by MKB on December 13, 2004, at 23:40:48
wow, that is so cool.
congratulations, love at first sight....nice.
Jai
Posted by KaraS on December 15, 2004, at 22:06:25
In reply to Re: please be civil » Jai » MKB » Bling » KaraS » Gabbix2, posted by Dr. Bob on December 13, 2004, at 22:34:26
> > democracy has lost.
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> > Jai
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> > I am going to make some statements that include generalizations based on the posts I've seen on this board.
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> > I am continually stunned by the vicious, unfounded, sensational, personal attacks on our President. They sound hysterical and mentally unbalanced to me.
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> > MKB
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> > It's very sad that all the carnage in Iraq is for the benefit of buisnesses & shareholders in the US & UK.
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> > Bling Bling
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> > I think Bush is the most divisive President we've ever had.
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> > KaraS
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> > > Just curious...are you in favor of institutionalized murder?
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> > ahhh, the old just curious, which is sadly, rarely a sincere effort to hear anothers views, or a desire to get to know them better
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> > Gabbix2
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> Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down or exaggerate or overgeneralize.
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> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> I thought those were good explanations of what people stood for. It may at some point be better to agree to disagree than to try to convert the other side...
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> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> Thanks,
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> BobDr. Bob,
I can't believe that you are finding fault with that statement I made. I was trying very hard to be civil when writing this post. That one sentence of mine isn't attacking anyone's views. IMHO it's just expressing a sentiment that BOTH sides of the political spectrum would probably agree with. What other president has caused this much polarization?I tried very hard not to slam anyone for their beliefs. I'm in shock - that's all I can say here.
Kara
Posted by MKB on December 16, 2004, at 0:10:14
In reply to new baby...., posted by Jai Narayan on December 15, 2004, at 18:15:55
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 0:32:19
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by KaraS on December 15, 2004, at 22:06:25
>> Dr. Bob,
Kara's statement was no different than saying The subject of abortion divided a town.
I think you jumped on devisive as a verb, and therefore assumed it was a criticism.
Posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 8:09:51
In reply to Re: please be civil » KaraS, posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 0:32:19
I think it was Dinah that said this site could be very difficult.
How can we stay within certain boundaries and how can Dr. Bob make sure we do?There have been many juicy topics on this site but I knew I couldn't join in because I am so uncertain of the rules and I have so many feelings, thoughts, beliefs and ideas.
I find myself in a self imposed verbal straight jacket.
Oh well.....
Posted by MKB on December 16, 2004, at 8:42:11
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 8:09:51
Posted by ed_uk on December 16, 2004, at 10:08:56
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 8:09:51
>I knew I couldn't join in because I am so uncertain of the rules and I have so many feelings, thoughts, beliefs and ideas.
Hi,
Please do join in. :-)
Generally you will be OK so long as you don't use any bad language.Ed.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 16, 2004, at 10:55:46
In reply to Re: To Jai, posted by ed_uk on December 16, 2004, at 10:08:56
And it's safe for sure to talk about your own beliefs. It's when talking about others that the verbal gymnastics get involved.
Posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 16:26:59
In reply to Re: To Jai, posted by AuntieMel on December 16, 2004, at 10:55:46
I have never understood why gay people didn't have the same rights as other people?
I am into fairness and equality of rights.
I have choosen not to marry my partner (male) but I would feel really unhappy if I didn't have a choice.
My beliefs are to celebrate all of our lovely diversity.This seems to be the last place where we need to grow.
IMHO
Ja*
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 18:44:37
In reply to If I were single » Gabbix2, posted by Bobby on December 15, 2004, at 9:10:41
> you could marry me. I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Would that be moral? :)
Telling jokes that bad, and that mouldy I'm surprised you're not single : ) actually the joke itself is terrible enough as to be considered immoral Bobby, that's what I think you should concern yourself with, actually.
Can you tell I'm teasing you by my type?
I hope so.And you know, I've lost your e-mail addy and have something I'd like to send you that I can't send through babble mail (no it's not illicit it's got a picture on it) could you send me an e-mail? Or babble mail me your addy.
Thanks Bobby.
Posted by Bobby on December 16, 2004, at 20:42:44
In reply to Re: If I were single » Bobby, posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 18:44:37
Sure Miss Gabbi!
bobby30548@yahoo.com
yeah, that was a cheesy bit.:)
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2004, at 1:10:50
In reply to Re: please be civil » KaraS, posted by Gabbix2 on December 16, 2004, at 0:32:19
> Kara's statement was no different than saying The subject of abortion divided a town...
Just wanted to let you know, I replied over at PB Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/430623.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by ed_uk on December 17, 2004, at 4:58:42
In reply to okay here goes, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 16:26:59
Hi Jai,
I'm glad you posted!
>I have choosen not to marry my partner (male) but I would feel really unhappy if I didn't have a choice.
Are you a woman ...or are you a man living in a country where gay marriage is legal?
Regards,
Ed.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 17, 2004, at 14:19:16
In reply to okay here goes, posted by Jai Narayan on December 16, 2004, at 16:26:59
Beautifully put and perfectly within the guidelines!
I agree with you on all points. What can be wrong with more love, fairness and equality?
I was at one time a 'conservative' when it meant less government - spending *and* intrusion into people's rights. I think now I would most closely be called a libertarian.
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