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Posted by Bling Bling on November 30, 2004, at 8:57:12
Anyone seen this web site?: http://sorryeverybody.com/
Looks like a great place to post an apology to the rest of the world for voting bush back in.
Posted by GeishaGirl on November 30, 2004, at 9:44:49
In reply to Apologizing for four more years., posted by Bling Bling on November 30, 2004, at 8:57:12
Yup, I've seen it. People aren't just apologizing for Bush. Some are apologizing for the war. This site is a great idea. I just wish there was some more originality in most of the signs people had, I stopped looking after awhile.
I like this , because it gives the powerless a voice. I especially liked the people I saw from France, Canada and I believe England who said that those of us who didn't agree with what was happening in our country didn't have to apologize. That was very nice to see.
Sometimes I apologize on behalf of others or the cosmos for horrible stuff that happens. I feel like someone needs to apologize, so why not me :)
GG
> Anyone seen this web site?: http://sorryeverybody.com/
> Looks like a great place to post an apology to the rest of the world for voting bush back in.
>
Posted by jay on November 30, 2004, at 20:39:29
In reply to Apologizing for four more years., posted by Bling Bling on November 30, 2004, at 8:57:12
> Anyone seen this web site?: http://sorryeverybody.com/
> Looks like a great place to post an apology to the rest of the world for voting bush back in.
>First off...everyone knows I am not a fan of Bush, but that shouldn't be the point. There must be a heck of a lot of people who like this guy. Us on the left can make all the 'fun' we want to, but we need to get to the heart of the matter: why did the majority of the American public vote Mr. Bush back into power?
Where were all of the 'Doves', and what about the influence of all of those Green Party and Nader people who refuse to back *any* Democrat?
Well, these questions need to be answered.Jay
Posted by jakeman on November 30, 2004, at 22:47:49
In reply to ...Four more years., posted by jay on November 30, 2004, at 20:39:29
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> First off...everyone knows I am not a fan of Bush, but that shouldn't be the point. There must be a heck of a lot of people who like this guy. Us on the left can make all the 'fun' we want to, but we need to get to the heart of the matter: why did the majority of the American public vote Mr. Bush back into power?
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> Where were all of the 'Doves', and what about the influence of all of those Green Party and Nader people who refuse to back *any* Democrat?
> Well, these questions need to be answered.
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> JayGood point, and there are many different answers to those questions. At the top of the list, at least in my book, is the media. Journalists in the US aren't doing their job, or maybe they are not able to. That job is to inform the public with the facts. The European press exposed the fact that Bush had discussions with Karl Rove and other advisors about invading Iraq even before he was even sworn in as president. The media has a duty to expose lies and misinformation. What has happened to jounalistic ethics? Polls still show that about half of Americans think Saddam Hussien was connected to 911. There's absolutely no evidence. Cheney echoed that lie in public numerous times and the American media just let it slide. Unfortunately whoever controls the flow of information largely controls how people think. At least the multi-nationals haven't (yet) taken over the internet.
The above statements are my views only and are not directed toward anyone on this board, and are not intended to challege or offend others.
Posted by AuntieMel on December 1, 2004, at 16:42:31
In reply to ...Four more years., posted by jay on November 30, 2004, at 20:39:29
Rove made the absolutelly !brilliant! move of pushing for anti same-sex marriage ammendments in a lot of the "swing" states.
Gotta admire him for that! It *was* a smooth move.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 2, 2004, at 0:26:38
In reply to Re: ...Four more years. » jay, posted by AuntieMel on December 1, 2004, at 16:42:31
I found the map to be interesting with respect to considering a superimposed map of areas which supported slavery and the liberation of slaves.
And of course, other sorts of stuff like that...
Just something to think about.
Thats what frightens me.
Posted by MissMinerva on December 2, 2004, at 23:14:32
In reply to Re: ...Four more years. » jay, posted by jakeman on November 30, 2004, at 22:47:49
"The European press exposed the fact that Bush had discussions with Karl Rove and other advisors about invading Iraq even before he was even sworn in as president."
Jakeman, would you happen to have a link that supports the truth of this statement? There's a few people I would LOVE to show that to! :-)
thanks!
Posted by jakeman on December 3, 2004, at 22:36:30
In reply to Re: ...Four more years. » jakeman, posted by MissMinerva on December 2, 2004, at 23:14:32
> "The European press exposed the fact that Bush had discussions with Karl Rove and other advisors about invading Iraq even before he was even sworn in as president."
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> Jakeman, would you happen to have a link that supports the truth of this statement? There's a few people I would LOVE to show that to! :-)
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> thanks!Here are a few links:
BUSH Talks Of Invading Iraq in '99
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301332.shtmlThe Chron gets scooped on Bush -- by one of its own
http://houstonpress.com/issues/2004-11-18/news.htmlNew Answers To Lingering Mysteries About Iraq
http://thomas.king-online.com/Thomas_20041105/index.phpBush Wanted To Invade Iraq Before 911
http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=8971US gave date of war to Britain in advance, court papers reveal
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=576429O'Neill: Iraq planning came before 9/11
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-11-oneill-iraq_x.htmI first heard about the early plans for an invasion (around 1999) on the PBS
program "Frontline." One of their sources was Mickey Herskowitz, Bush's biographer at the time. There are many sources that Bush planned an invasion in 2000 prior to 9/11, most notably from his treasury secretary, Paul Simon. I don't have the European links available, I'm not sure how to do searches of international media outlets.Jake
Posted by jakeman on December 3, 2004, at 22:40:01
In reply to Re: ...Four more years., posted by jakeman on December 3, 2004, at 22:36:30
Posted by Jonathan on December 4, 2004, at 1:40:46
In reply to Re: ...Four more years., posted by jakeman on December 3, 2004, at 22:36:30
"I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say,
'This is the way we do it — so should you.'".
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.Answer: George W. Bush, in September 2000.
It seems that, at the same time that "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove was planning the occupation of Iraq, he was briefing his protege to reassure American voters with sound-bites like the above.
The third and final part of a BBC TV documentary "The Power of Nightmares"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
includes a video clip of Bush saying these exact words. My memory isn't *that* good: I copied the exact words from a newspaper review published the next day, which unfortunately is not on the newspaper's web site. It was broadcast here in the UK five to seven weeks ago; if you get the chance to see it, I think you'll both find it interesting — much more so than the BBC's rather superficial web pages suggest.
For online evidence that Bush has expressed the same opinion on more than one occasion:
http://joshw.org/mod/diary/discuss.php?entry_id=765
http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/070703.html
Jonathan.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2004, at 12:33:50
In reply to Quiz: Who said this? » MissMinerva » jakeman, posted by Jonathan on December 4, 2004, at 1:40:46
> It seems that, at the same time that "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove was planning the occupation of Iraq, he was briefing his protege to reassure American voters with sound-bites like the above.
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. How about trying to be more positive than negative? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by jakeman on December 4, 2004, at 13:24:38
In reply to Quiz: Who said this? » MissMinerva » jakeman, posted by Jonathan on December 4, 2004, at 1:40:46
> "I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say,
> 'This is the way we do it — so should you.'"
> Answer: George W. Bush, in September 2000.
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> It seems that, at the same time that "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove was planning the occupation of Iraq, he was briefing his protege to reassure American voters with sound-bites like the above.
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> The third and final part of a BBC TV documentary "The Power of Nightmares"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
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> includes a video clip of Bush saying these exact words. My memory isn't *that* good: I copied the exact words from a newspaper review published the next day, which unfortunately is not on the newspaper's web site. It was broadcast here in the UK five to seven weeks ago; if you get the chance to see it, I think you'll both find it interesting — much more so than the BBC's rather superficial web pages suggest.
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> For online evidence that Bush has expressed the same opinion on more than one occasion:
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> http://joshw.org/mod/diary/discuss.php?entry_id=765
> http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/070703.html
> Jonathan.Here's a another quote along those lines:
"I will work hard to find political solutions that allow an orderly and timely withdrawal from places like Kosovo and Bosnia. We will encourage our allies to take a broader role. We will not be hasty, but we will not be permanent peacekeepers dividing warring parties."
George Bush, September 23, 1999As a Texas resident, I know that Bush has a long history of saying one thing and doing another. (In the old days that practice was called lying).
What is shocking to me is that people don't seem to care.Here is a link to the PBS program, "The War Behind Closed Doors," in which interviewees talk about the neo-conservatives priming Bush for a war with Iraq prior to his election.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraqHow ironic is it Bush's close circle of hawkish advisers-- K. Rove, R. Perl, C. Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz (and Bush himself) never served in a war? Yet the Bush campaign smeared Kerry's military service record...
Posted by Bling Bling on December 5, 2004, at 7:34:17
In reply to Re: Quiz: Who said this?, posted by jakeman on December 4, 2004, at 13:24:38
> > "I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say,
> > 'This is the way we do it — so should you.'"
> > Answer: George W. Bush, in September 2000.
> >
> > It seems that, at the same time that "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove was planning the occupation of Iraq, he was briefing his protege to reassure American voters with sound-bites like the above.
> >
> > The third and final part of a BBC TV documentary "The Power of Nightmares"
> >
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
> >
> > includes a video clip of Bush saying these exact words. My memory isn't *that* good: I copied the exact words from a newspaper review published the next day, which unfortunately is not on the newspaper's web site. It was broadcast here in the UK five to seven weeks ago; if you get the chance to see it, I think you'll both find it interesting — much more so than the BBC's rather superficial web pages suggest.
> >
> > For online evidence that Bush has expressed the same opinion on more than one occasion:
> >
> > http://joshw.org/mod/diary/discuss.php?entry_id=765
> > http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/070703.html
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> > Jonathan.
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> Here's a another quote along those lines:
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> "I will work hard to find political solutions that allow an orderly and timely withdrawal from places like Kosovo and Bosnia. We will encourage our allies to take a broader role. We will not be hasty, but we will not be permanent peacekeepers dividing warring parties."
> George Bush, September 23, 1999
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> As a Texas resident, I know that Bush has a long history of saying one thing and doing another. (In the old days that practice was called lying).
> What is shocking to me is that people don't seem to care.
>
> Here is a link to the PBS program, "The War Behind Closed Doors," in which interviewees talk about the neo-conservatives priming Bush for a war with Iraq prior to his election.
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq
>
> How ironic is it Bush's close circle of hawkish advisers-- K. Rove, R. Perl, C. Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz (and Bush himself) never served in a war? Yet the Bush campaign smeared Kerry's military service record...
>
>What I find worrisome is the deciding factor that got Bush back was his stance on same sex marriages.
I put up an anti-Bush link, http://sorryeverybody.com/ , so here is a pro-Bush link to balance it out: http://yourewelcomeverybody.com/
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2004, at 13:03:49
In reply to Re: Quiz: Who said this?, posted by jakeman on December 4, 2004, at 13:24:38
> I know that Bush has a long history of saying one thing and doing another. (In the old days that practice was called lying).
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. How about trying to be more positive than negative? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by lynch03 on December 5, 2004, at 13:29:41
In reply to Re: please be civil » jakeman, posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2004, at 13:03:49
> > I know that Bush has a long history of saying one thing and doing another. (In the old days that practice was called lying).
>
> Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. How about trying to be more positive than negative? Thanks,
>
> Bob
You know I don't know what you expect creating a politics message board.. there really isn't any point if we are unable to present our opinions and criticisms.. Just out of curiousity how come you're so strict about things like this?? You really think someone can't handle a simple criticism of Bush.. I just don't understand..
Posted by AuntieMel on December 6, 2004, at 17:42:22
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by lynch03 on December 5, 2004, at 13:29:41
I think the point is to discuss particulars of policies, etc. Not to <no matter how one feels> to give sweeping positives or negatives.
More of an intellectual exercise.
Surely, as adults, we can discuss politics and policies without making personal statements. Right?
Posted by lynch03 on December 7, 2004, at 0:43:07
In reply to Re: please be civil » lynch03, posted by AuntieMel on December 6, 2004, at 17:42:22
> I think the point is to discuss particulars of policies, etc. Not to <no matter how one feels> to give sweeping positives or negatives.
>
> More of an intellectual exercise.
>
> Surely, as adults, we can discuss politics and policies without making personal statements. Right?Well I don't think there should be any problem with criticizing people like Bush or any member of the administration..it's not personal at all..
Posted by gromit on December 7, 2004, at 3:36:26
In reply to Re: ...Four more years. » jakeman, posted by MissMinerva on December 2, 2004, at 23:14:32
> Jakeman, would you happen to have a link that supports the truth of this statement? There's a few people I would LOVE to show that to! :-)
Don't bother, they won't listen...
Posted by moms4elmo on December 15, 2004, at 9:57:08
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by lynch03 on December 7, 2004, at 0:43:07
Whether you realize this or not, conservatives are reading these boards, too. I am not insulted by the differing opinions held here. This beautiful country we live in was founded on the principle of free speech. I may not agree with Michael Moore, but he certainly has the right to be heard. I am proud to be able to vote and to have that vote count! Stand up and be heard!
Posted by Mark H. on December 20, 2004, at 15:47:49
In reply to Re: please be civil » Jonathan, posted by Dr. Bob on December 4, 2004, at 12:33:50
> > It seems that, at the same time that "Bush's Brain" Karl Rove was planning the occupation of Iraq, he was briefing his protege to reassure American voters with sound-bites like the above.
>
> Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. How about trying to be more positive than negative? Thanks,
>
> BobI believe Jonathan was making reference to the book: "Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential" by James Moore et al, available at Amazon.com.
Mark H.
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