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Posted by TrishP on October 24, 2005, at 11:00:53
I can't take any of the SSRIs including Effexor due to them severely irritating my bladder. I believe any of the meds that effect the serotonin is causing my bladder problems.
Is there anything I can take to help ward off depression and anxiety that won't hurt my bladder.
I am in pain now and in the process of stopping Effexor, probably Wellbutrin.
Thanks!
Posted by JLx on October 24, 2005, at 12:54:18
In reply to Help - new here..., posted by TrishP on October 24, 2005, at 11:00:53
Hi Trish,
Welcome to the board.
One thing for sure that won't hurt your bladder that should help depression and anxiety is exercise. http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-39.htm
Another good tool is cognitive therapy. I recommend "Feeling Good" by David Burns, and also his "Feeling Good Handbook".
What exactly is the bladder problem? Cranberry is generally recommended for bladder health, either eating them, drinking the juice or taking capsules.
Generally good supplements for depression, in my opinion, are magnesium; B vitamins, especially folic acid and B12; selenium, especially if amalgam fillings in teeth; chromium, especially if possible high blood sugar; and alpha lipoic acid, Vit C, Vit E as antioxidants. There are others as well, but that and maybe a multi are a good baseline to start from.
Magnesium did wonders for my depression, so I talk about it a lot. Magnesium taurate is probably the way to go initially, but there are other forms people find effective that are well absorbed such as magnesium glycinate, magnesium, citrate, magnesium malate. As important as magnesium itself may be the calcium magnesium ratio. Some people, like me, can't tolerate much calcium while others seem to benefit from taking calcium and magnesium in equal doses.
You won't know until you try experimenting with any of these things.
There are other supplements you may want to try such as amino acids and herbs, as well.
Did you mean that you are on Effexor and Wellbutrin and are stopping them both? Or just the Effexor?
JL
> Is there anything I can take to help ward off depression and anxiety that won't hurt my bladder.
>
> I am in pain now and in the process of stopping Effexor, probably Wellbutrin.
>
> Thanks!
>
Posted by TrishP on October 24, 2005, at 14:26:02
In reply to Re: Help - new here... » TrishP, posted by JLx on October 24, 2005, at 12:54:18
I am taking:
200 Wellbutrin SR
75mg Effexor
50mg Trazodone
1mg KlonopinI think, more than anything it is the Effexor causing the bladder problems. Urgency, pain, frequency, etc. It has something to do with serotonin. It's something a lot of doctors don't know much about, but if you talk to the drug companies, they will tell you there is a chance of bladder problems. I think it might even be listed in the "rare side effects".
> Hi Trish,
>
> Welcome to the board.
>
> One thing for sure that won't hurt your bladder that should help depression and anxiety is exercise. http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-39.htm
>
> Another good tool is cognitive therapy. I recommend "Feeling Good" by David Burns, and also his "Feeling Good Handbook".
>
> What exactly is the bladder problem? Cranberry is generally recommended for bladder health, either eating them, drinking the juice or taking capsules.
>
> Generally good supplements for depression, in my opinion, are magnesium; B vitamins, especially folic acid and B12; selenium, especially if amalgam fillings in teeth; chromium, especially if possible high blood sugar; and alpha lipoic acid, Vit C, Vit E as antioxidants. There are others as well, but that and maybe a multi are a good baseline to start from.
>
> Magnesium did wonders for my depression, so I talk about it a lot. Magnesium taurate is probably the way to go initially, but there are other forms people find effective that are well absorbed such as magnesium glycinate, magnesium, citrate, magnesium malate. As important as magnesium itself may be the calcium magnesium ratio. Some people, like me, can't tolerate much calcium while others seem to benefit from taking calcium and magnesium in equal doses.
>
> You won't know until you try experimenting with any of these things.
>
> There are other supplements you may want to try such as amino acids and herbs, as well.
>
> Did you mean that you are on Effexor and Wellbutrin and are stopping them both? Or just the Effexor?
>
> JL
>
> > Is there anything I can take to help ward off depression and anxiety that won't hurt my bladder.
> >
> > I am in pain now and in the process of stopping Effexor, probably Wellbutrin.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
>
Posted by JLx on October 24, 2005, at 17:29:55
In reply to Re: Help - new here..., posted by TrishP on October 24, 2005, at 14:26:02
If you're looking for another drug to replace the Effexor, you might want to ask that on the regular Psychobabble board, as that's for meds.
Somebody there may also have some advice about what to do for med-induced bladder side effects.
JL
> I am taking:
> 200 Wellbutrin SR
> 75mg Effexor
> 50mg Trazodone
> 1mg Klonopin
>
> I think, more than anything it is the Effexor causing the bladder problems. Urgency, pain, frequency, etc. It has something to do with serotonin. It's something a lot of doctors don't know much about, but if you talk to the drug companies, they will tell you there is a chance of bladder problems. I think it might even be listed in the "rare side effects".
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Trish,
> >
> > Welcome to the board.
> >
> > One thing for sure that won't hurt your bladder that should help depression and anxiety is exercise. http://www.mcmanweb.com/article-39.htm
> >
> > Another good tool is cognitive therapy. I recommend "Feeling Good" by David Burns, and also his "Feeling Good Handbook".
> >
> > What exactly is the bladder problem? Cranberry is generally recommended for bladder health, either eating them, drinking the juice or taking capsules.
> >
> > Generally good supplements for depression, in my opinion, are magnesium; B vitamins, especially folic acid and B12; selenium, especially if amalgam fillings in teeth; chromium, especially if possible high blood sugar; and alpha lipoic acid, Vit C, Vit E as antioxidants. There are others as well, but that and maybe a multi are a good baseline to start from.
> >
> > Magnesium did wonders for my depression, so I talk about it a lot. Magnesium taurate is probably the way to go initially, but there are other forms people find effective that are well absorbed such as magnesium glycinate, magnesium, citrate, magnesium malate. As important as magnesium itself may be the calcium magnesium ratio. Some people, like me, can't tolerate much calcium while others seem to benefit from taking calcium and magnesium in equal doses.
> >
> > You won't know until you try experimenting with any of these things.
> >
> > There are other supplements you may want to try such as amino acids and herbs, as well.
> >
> > Did you mean that you are on Effexor and Wellbutrin and are stopping them both? Or just the Effexor?
> >
> > JL
> >
> > > Is there anything I can take to help ward off depression and anxiety that won't hurt my bladder.
> > >
> > > I am in pain now and in the process of stopping Effexor, probably Wellbutrin.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by blueberry on October 24, 2005, at 19:59:46
In reply to Help - new here..., posted by TrishP on October 24, 2005, at 11:00:53
I found st johns wort (Kira brand, LI160 formula used in clinical trials) to be excellent for depression, anxiety, and bladder problems. Like most things though, it can have some start-up anxiety to it in the beginning.
I found my bladder very relaxed, held a lot more, and the time between potty visits was astoundingly long. Clinical trials in rats showed that st johns wort relaxed bladders.
I loved st johns wort, but it kind of pooped out on me after 3 months. But, I was also taking it along with 10mg prozac and 5mg zyprexa at the same time, so it's hard to say whether the st johns wort itself pooped out or whether it somehow affected the metabolism of the other meds (which it probably did in a big way to the negative).
St johns wort by itself can be awesome for some people. I never felt more relaxed or depression free in my life. Took about 3 to 4 weeks to kick in, and any start up side effects were gone in a week. Based on my own experience though, it should not be taken with other meds. It messes with the metabolism too much, either greatly increasing plasma levels of other meds or greatly decreasing them. And it can spark mania, which it did with me.
I'm not saying try it and I'm not saying don't try it. But since you asked for ideas, I thought I would share my own experiences. Sjw for me was excellent for bladder, depression, and anxiety.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 28, 2005, at 4:36:28
In reply to Re: Help - new here..., posted by blueberry on October 24, 2005, at 19:59:46
Hi Blueberry (and I'm sorry for interupting your tread, Trish)
I was wondering what amount of Kira SJW you took?
I'm starting on the SJW (kira brand each pill containing the Ll-160 standarised extract of 300mg SJW) and it says to take ONE a day -- but that would be only 300mg and I've heard that the standard dose is 900mg a day, either in split dosages, or at once.
Kind regards
Meri
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