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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 13 of 13. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on October 12, 2019, at 0:17:53
well, its almost 2020, we're all still here the main posters, the 2000s generation who where here when it started, i don't know if there lurkers or even forgot about this place. But ... been thinking since these guidlelines are outated from the 90s 2000s, i don't know i have ideas, maybe having a motive to be the utimate info conerning health and life advice. Lol...there's so many out there, this is joke. But maybe just organizing who still posts here, the main posters and be a group together for improvement. I noticed alot of earlier in early 2000s thre amny scientificc studies, and more indpeth rather than advice support board, SLS has been here for a long time, and is still going. But alot of previous posters ... there gone. So let's do sometihng be like the 2020's babble generation for improvement
Posted by ert on October 30, 2019, at 0:12:52
In reply to 2020 Babble Generation, posted by rjlockhart37 on October 12, 2019, at 0:17:53
For me it seems that Dr. Robert C. Hsiungs psycho babble is mainly an ego project of someone with a personality disorder (maybe a narcissist, but these disorders are often interwoven) who empowers his ego by undermining and disregarding the rights of defenseless, unaware people. Possibly not only but mainly.
I not deny some positive aspects. If there is any, there could be more benevolence. But it is obvious that this is currently much more malevolent than benevolent.
By suddenly putting social networks buttons under the participants posts and boasting with posts on twitter, disrespectful behavior is discernible.
The fact that the participants have no choice seems for me more troublesome than the fact that Dr. Hsiung makes money with misappropriated possession. Misleading statements in the faqs are stated that deputies could delete posts suggesting for third parties that the participants do have choice to decide, but truly they have no choice. Maybe he does make much money, maybe not.
It is also the experiment of someone who puts his interests in front of the participants and the experiment of someone who not at all likes when someone is recovering, is feeling better or gets cured or is leaving this website. Obviously, no one should get cured here as stated in his email to me.
dr. bob: "But people who cut themselves off from the past can want to return to it later.Which makes sense, it's a part of them, and cutting it off is a loss.".
and then lied, dr.bob: I should be able to get to these in a
couple weeks.Shouldnt Dr. Hsiung boast with the number of those who dont participate because they do not need it? (he boasted with the number of participants in the new york times article). Conflict of interest is detectable.
Maybe Dr. Hsiung used this for himself since in an online article stated that he weaned off lamictal, a drug used for people with mood swings. If he is feeling better, then that's good.
Approaching the year 2020, it overall shines somewhat in a different light than twenty years ago.
Technical versatility was not that big in the past, nowadays legally compliant or more compliant services such as telegram, phpbb and many others are available and exist.
Here, legal admissibility disregarded from the outset.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 1, 2019, at 18:07:31
In reply to Re: 2020 Babble Generation, posted by ert on October 30, 2019, at 0:12:52
listen, most of the active guidelines and statements were in the 2000s, this site i think was ment to kick off to be a research-scientific experience board in late 90s. Alot of the posts back in early 2000s, they were very scientific in the study of medication, how they worked, the receptors, etc...and people shared their experiences and had questions. 2010s i when most of people left, well not all but a decline in posters. We have more lurkers here now, maybe even past posters that used to post here. 2020 babble generation i think should be support, street advice, and some scientific study of medication for questions from posters.
Dr-bob we really have no clue on what this man does, this board is almost like a forgotten planned experiement or site in late 90s. It was very active in 2000s. Almost all the guidelines or what dr-bob said himself, there old and they don't apply much anymore
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 8, 2019, at 15:15:02
In reply to Re: 2020 Babble Generation, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 1, 2019, at 18:07:31
even though this board is not scientif study, when it first started there we're many people who when in depth on how meds and classfications on how they worked. All those old medical studies about stuff, need to integrate it into babble and have posters be scientif again, learn how to help and not just give superficial street advice....ill start doing it to make babble more active and a site to come too for questions and be a part of babble
Posted by ert on November 10, 2019, at 3:14:06
In reply to Re: 2020 Babble Generation, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 8, 2019, at 15:15:02
In the study best of both worlds: an online self-help group hosted by a mental health professional Robert Hsiung, MD claims that he generated from July 1999 until December 2000,
337$ alone with the amazon button.I am curious how much money he makes with the lurkers using the google button and the social network buttons with improperly acquired and stolen (not revoked) mental health phi and infringed copyrights if not taken down because of misappropriated content in the archives and the generation of money with it, this should be at least overseen eg. for Europeans the password given to a DPA, so that they could handle requests from Europe. For the US, the OCR would be responsible for that.
The Brits have many ancient objects in their cellars and attics. once a year they take it out and present the objects or use it on the street. An old bicycle can easily be stored for a year and be taken out occasionally even if the style is no more up to date.
But with a website that does not work. A website must go with time. For reminiscences screenshots from older websites are made. This website, regardless if old or not, has never been compliant.
In the studies conducted with pbabble nothing is mentioned of theft, coercion or potential risks of flashbacks and privacy problems.
The Brits have many ancient objects in their cellars and attics. once a year they take it out and present the objects or use it on the street. An old bicycle can easily be stored for a year and be taken out occasionally even if the style is no more up to date.
But with a website that does not work. A website must go with time. For reminiscences screenshots from older websites are made. This website, regardless if old or not, has never been compliant.
In the studies conducted with pbabble nothing is mentioned of theft, coercion or potential risks of flashbacks and privacy problems.
Posted by ert on November 10, 2019, at 5:30:02
In reply to Re: 2020 Babble Generation, posted by ert on November 10, 2019, at 3:14:06
rjlockhart37,
Robert Hsiung, MD also received 743$ in donations in the first year it started. Maybe the donors didnt read the faqs or didnt clicked through the consent like the participants. The donors maybe knew the rights whereas many participants have not known it.
I probably clicked through the consent and never read some sections of the FAQs.
do you think that it helped you to overcome your illness and do you think that it potentially made you depended or accustomed?
Myself, I liked it somehow because there was some interaction with people. But nowadays, there are plenty of other websites for interaction and sharing information.
Posted by ert on November 15, 2019, at 17:09:30
In reply to Re: 2020 Babble Generation, posted by ert on November 10, 2019, at 5:30:02
That is a Criminal offence liable to public prosecution.
if not, every other medical person can internationally steal (will not revoke, lies, makes false statements and promises about it and coerces) and upload medical data (profiles) publicly and generate money with it.
Posted by ert on November 15, 2019, at 17:30:51
In reply to Re: Dr Bob is a criminal, posted by ert on November 15, 2019, at 17:09:30
> That is a Criminal offence liable to public prosecution.
>
> if not, every other medical person can internationally steal (will not revoke, lies, makes false statements and promises about it and coerces) and upload medical data (profiles) publicly and generate money with it.$337 generated from amazon "referral fees" and not the button.
the dr. bob LLC is likely profitable.
stigmatization also is a point not mentioned in the studies. what is when someone sees his or her profile many years after participating again and again when returning?
Under the lurkers there could be eg. psychologists but anyone ill-intentioned else who see these profiles. Also voyeurs and perverts.
Posted by ert on November 22, 2019, at 18:43:16
In reply to Re: Dr Bob is a criminal, posted by ert on November 15, 2019, at 17:30:51
I very appreciate the statement of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that the antennas could potentially pose a threat. I think too, that the antennas could maybe pose a threat.
Secretary of State Michael Richard Pompeo tweeted:
@SecPompeo
People should be able to trust that #5G equipment and software companies will not threaten their security, privacy, IP, or human rights. For nations looking to build out their 5G networks, the @EU_Commission
risk assessment named these threats. Now its time to keep them safe.---
But should that not also apply to companies like the dr. bob llc in chicago that steals and publicly uploads privacy data, medical data as well as IPs, makes cash with it and undermines many domestic and international rights ?
What would think the EU commission about integrity.
Posted by ert on December 18, 2019, at 13:07:27
In reply to Honesty, integrity and Michael Richard Pompeo, posted by ert on November 22, 2019, at 18:43:16
Most participants or former participants do not know Hsiung personally.
However, he could be a narcissist or maybe has another personality disorder.
Probably his attitude and acting that violates many laws has to do with his ancestry.
Obviously, the Chinese do not like much privacy and they prefer controlled property.
Hsiung controls and seems to like control.
The EU likes progress in privacy. The US on the other hand is concerned about property and privacy in the EU. They want to kick out Huawei out of business contracts in the EU. But strangely enough the laws that should secure privacy but limit surveillance and total control are not really enforced domestically.
who can you trust ?
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From the New York Times Dec. 18, 2019
A Surveillance Net Blankets Chinas Cities, Giving Police Vast Powers
The authorities can scan your phones, track your face and find out when you leave your home. One of the worlds biggest spying networks is aimed at regular people, and nobody can stop it.By Paul Mozur and Aaron Krolik
Published Dec. 17, 2019
Updated Dec. 18, 2019, 1:01 p.m. ET
ZHENGZHOU, China China is ramping up its ability to spy on its nearly 1.4 billion people to new and disturbing levels, giving the world a blueprint for how to build a digital totalitarian state.Chinese authorities are knitting together old and state-of-the-art technologies phone scanners, facial-recognition cameras, face and fingerprint databases and many others into sweeping tools for authoritarian control, according to police and private databases examined by The New York Times.
Once combined and fully operational, the tools can help police grab the identities of people as they walk down the street, find out who they are meeting with and identify who does and doesnt belong to the Communist Party.
The United States and other countries use some of the same techniques to track terrorists or drug lords. Chinese cities want to use them to track everybody.
The rollout has come at the expense of personal privacy. The Times found that the authorities parked the personal data of millions of people on servers unprotected by even basic security measures. It also found that private contractors and middlemen have wide access to personal data collected by the Chinese government.
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TRANSCRIPTChinese Cameras Come With Chinese Tactics
Is Chinese-style surveillance becoming normalized? A Times investigation found the Chinese surveillance state is spreading past its borders.
Recognize this guy? How about this one? Him? They all have something in common. They govern like autocrats. These leaders are rising in an age where technology can make their lives much easier. And leading the way is China. At home, theyre pouring billions into the most sophisticated censorship and surveillance apparatus the world has ever known. I spent nearly a decade here. And halfway through that period, something changed. Xi Jinping took power, and cameras started appearing a lot of them. Now, the cameras are everywhere. They hang from traffic lights, intersections, crosswalks; on trees, fences, and subway cars; even inside your taxi or your apartment building. These are, in fact, government surveillance cameras, and there are over 200 million of them here. The government says the cameras are used to fight crime, squash protests and maintain control. Its all designed to make sure the Communist Party of China never loses power. Basically, they want to know what their citizens are doing all the time, and their actions are being judged. Most of the time, its just police watching on the other end of these cameras. But the idea is that one day soon, artificial intelligence will be able to automate that job, analyzing the day-to-day lives of hundreds of millions of citizens. You might think, well, thats just China. But its not only in China. See that? That camera is in Ecuador. This is Ecuadors emergency response system, which is known as ECU-911. The government peddles it as a crime fighting tool. Ecuador has around 4,000 national security cameras across the entire country. The cameras all feed into a few centralized rooms, like this. The system was not only made in China, but it was installed by Chinese companies and workers. The Chinese even trained the Ecuadoreans how to use it. Reporter: Theyre telling the public that this is for safety. We went back, we can see what the surveillance looks like. So this is, what, 30 people in a room surveilling society. Wow. Reporter: Now my question, though, is: If you wanted to stop crime, would you have 30 people in a room? To me, that number, 30, does not seem like a lot of people. So 30 people, perhaps monitoring a nationwide camera system might seem little, but its the deterrent effect of the cameras which impact on people. Its them moderating their behavior based on the fact that they know that they might be being surveilled, and they dont know how that information might be being used. And thats the point. This might be able to fight crime. But just like in China, the cameras have potential for other use. Surveillance technology exporting this kind of surveillance capabilities to a country like Ecuador makes money. This is Edin, a global surveillance expert in the U.K. I asked him, so what has China actually exported here? Well it secures our diplomatic relationship with China, and it exports their model of internet governorship and how our security infrastructure is going to look like in the future. Chinese surveillance systems are increasingly showing up all around the world. Some of those countries have stronger government institutions to regulate than others, but they all need money to buy it. Turns out, the Chinese can help with that, too. We know it started at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Behind the scenes, China was selling its state-of-the-art security setup to visiting delegations. This is where Ecuadorian officials first saw it. So, China and Ecuador made a deal. This is Martha, a former politician turned investigative journalist. This all happened under the former president Rafael Correa, who was widely seen as an autocrat. He rewrote Ecuadors Constitution. He erased term limits. He took control of the courts and silenced the press. Helping him each step of the way was money from China. So, China got Ecuadors oil and Ecuador got things like roads and hospitals. It also got a nationwide surveillance system. And this is what it looks like today. Rafael Correa has been out of office for more than two years now, and Lenín Moreno has taken the country back in a more democratic direction. But even after autocrats leave office, their legacies can live on. After all, there is a system in place with a sinister potential. It just depends how its being used. Lidia lives in a high-crime neighborhood on the citys mountainside. She says the police rarely respond to crimes that happen directly in front of cameras and that some of the most dangerous neighborhoods, like hers, dont have any cameras at all. While Lidias neighborhood has none, theres unexpectedly one here, in a safe neighborhood. Its the only camera around, and it can see right into this mans house. Colonel Pazmino was a vocal critic of former president Rafael Correa, and he was often followed by government spies. He says when the Chinese camera system came in, the spies went home. In other words, Colonel Pazmino thinks the system is used for more than emergencies. He believes the states intelligence unit uses it to track political dissidents like him. In China, authorities have also installed cameras outside of dissidents homes. We brought this claim to Francisco Robayo, who was ECU-911s director at the time. He said, the system isnt for spying on or intimidating political opponents. He deflected, and so did the countrys intelligence chief. We were in a secret, unmarked bunker outside of the capital, and we were not allowed to point our camera at anything outside of this single frame. We came to ask Mr. Costa if the intelligence agency uses the public security cameras to spy on citizens. Midway through our interview, we took a break. Remember how we were only allowed to take this one single frame? Well, thats because they didnt want us filming the background thats deliberately out of focus right now. But when not looking through the lens of the camera, we could still see it clearly. Once we pointed out the feeds from ECU-911, they admitted they also could access the public security cameras. Ecuadors officials maintain the system is a crime-fighting tool. But why the system also feeds into the intelligence agency raises the same concerns that human rights advocates raise in China. These cameras are easier to abuse than use. It just depends what your goals are. And remember, Chinas goal is political control. Thats what these systems were designed for. In effect, China is exporting more than cameras. They are exporting the way they use their cameras. And while other countries also offer systems, including the U.S., many say China is thought to be the most dangerous because it provides funding, even to known dictators, and provides them with a sinister model for how to use it. Weve seen cases where governments around the world have used surveillance technology to infiltrate and spy on dissidents, on activists, on lawyers, on opposition parties. So this actually, fundamentally undermines democracy. More and more leaders like Rafael Correa appear to be rising. Now they have access to technology, undreamt of even 20 years ago. And China seems willing to give them cheap loans to buy it. The more countries that install Chinas centralized surveillance technology, the more that Chinas very own autocratic use of it may be normalized. And like in Ecuador, the infrastructure for autocracy stays even as leaders come and go. What the question for us now as people who are now more surveilled than ever, is how we want to live in this world, how we want to regulate that, and what kind of surveillance we want to be put under? [question asked in Spanish]Video player loading
Is Chinese-style surveillance becoming normalized? A Times investigation found the Chinese surveillance state is spreading past its borders.CreditCredit...Jonah M. Kessel/The New York Times
This build-out has only just begun, but it is sweeping through Chinese cities. The surveillance networks are controlled by local police, as if county sheriffs in the United States ran their own personal versions of the National Security Agency.By themselves, none of Chinas new techniques are beyond the capabilities of the United States or other countries. But together, they could propel Chinas spying to a new level, helping its cameras and software become smarter and more sophisticated.
This surveillance push is empowering Chinas police, who have taken a greater role in China under Xi Jinping, its top leader. It gives them a potent way to track criminals as well as online malcontents, sympathizers of the protest movement in Hong Kong, critics of police themselves and other undesirables. It often targets vulnerable groups like migrant workers those who stream in from the countryside to fill Chinas factories and ethnic minority groups like the largely Muslim Uighurs on Chinas western frontier.
Each persons data forms a trail, said Agnes Ouyang, a technology worker in the southern city of Shenzhen whose attempts to raise awareness about privacy drew scrutiny from the authorities. It can be used by the government and it can be used by bosses at the big companies to track us. Our lives are worth about as much as dirt.
ImageThe Huating Apartments residential complex, where a surveillance system matches residents faces to phone numbers.
The Huating Apartments residential complex, where a surveillance system matches residents faces to phone numbers.Credit...Gilles Sabrié for The New York Times
People Pass and Leave a Shadow
The police arrived one day in April to a dingy apartment complex in Zhengzhou, an industrial city in central China. Over three days they installed four cameras and two small white boxes at the gates of the complex, which hosts cheap hotels and fly-by-night businesses.Once activated, the system began to sniff for personal data. The boxes phone scanners called IMSI catchers and widely used in the West collected identification codes from mobile phones. The cameras recorded faces.
On the back end, the system attempted to tie the data together, an examination of its underlying database showed. If a face and a phone appeared at the same place and time, the system grew more confident they belonged to the same person.
Over four days in April, the boxes identified more than 67,000 phones. The cameras captured more than 23,000 images, from which about 8,700 unique faces were derived. Combining the disparate data sets, the system matched about 3,000 phones with faces, with varying degrees of confidence.
Source: Data obtained by The New York Times
This single system is part of a citywide surveillance network encompassing license plates, phone numbers, faces and social media information, according to a Zhengzhou Public Security Bureau database.Other Chinese cities are copying Zhengzhou. Since 2017, government procurement documents and official reports show that police in the Chinese provinces of Guizhou, Zhejiang and Henan have bought similar systems. Police in Zigong, a midsize city in Sichuan Province, bought 156 sets of the technology, the documents show.
In Wuhan, police said in a procurement document that they wanted systems that could comprehensively collect the identity of all internet users in public spaces, their internet behavior, their location, their movement, and identifying information about their phones.
People pass and leave a shadow, reads one brochure promoting a similar surveillance system to Chinese police departments. The phone passes and leaves a number. The system connects the two.
Even for Chinas police, who enjoy broad powers to question and detain people, this level of control is unprecedented. Tracking people so closely once required cooperation from uncooperative institutions in Beijing. The state-run phone companies, for example, are often reluctant to share sensitive or lucrative data with local authorities, said people with knowledge of the system.
Now local police are buying their own trackers. Improved technology helps them share it up the chain of command, to the central Ministry of Public Security in Beijing, the people said.
The surveillance networks fulfill a longtime goal of ensuring social stability, dating to the 1989 Tiananmen Square uprising but given added urgency by the Arab Spring in 2011 and 2012. In recent years, Chinese police made use of fears of unrest to win more power and resources.
It is not clear how well police are using their new capabilities, or just how effective they might be. But the potential is there.
In Zhengzhou, police can use software to create lists of people. They can create virtual alarms for when a person approaches a particular location. They can get updates on people every hour or every day. They can monitor whom those people have met with, especially if both people are on a blacklist for some kind of infraction, from committing a crime to skipping a debt payment.
These networks could help China hone technologies like facial recognition. Cameras and software often have trouble recognizing faces shot at an angle, for example. Combined with phone and identity data, matches become easier to make, and the technology behind identifying faces gets better.
Police are not hiding their surveillance push. Even the perception of overwhelming surveillance can deter criminals and dissidents alike.
At the complex in Zhengzhou, residents were unfazed when told that the cameras and boxes were part of a sophisticated surveillance system.
The building manager, Liang Jianzheng, said it meant he no longer had to help the police fight crime.
I used to have to bust my butt helping the police, Mr. Liang said. Now they have their own cameras, and they dont bother me."
In November, after The Times asked surveillance companies about the system, a construction crew appeared and took down the cameras and boxes, Mr. Liang said. They didnt say why.
The Wire and Plywood Revolt
Some residents of the Shijiachi residential complex werent pleased when building management, at the behest of the police, last year replaced their old key card locks with a state-of-the-art surveillance system. Residents would now need to scan their faces to enter their buildings.Old people said they were always at home, so it wasnt necessary, said Tang Liying, the secretary of the Chinese Communist Party for the district in eastern China. Young people had concerns about privacy, and didnt think it was necessary. We did some work to persuade them, and in the end most people agreed.
Those worried about privacy had a point.
Data from the Shijiachi complex was parked on an unprotected server. Details included 482 residents identification numbers, names, ages, marital and family status, and records of their membership in the Communist Party. For those who used the facial-recognition cameras to enter and exit, it also stored a detailed account of their comings and goings.
Nearby networks were similarly unprotected. They held data from 31 residences in the area, with details on 8,570 people. A car-tracking system near Shijiachi showed records for 3,456 cars and personal information about their owners. Across China, unprotected databases hold information on students and teachers in schools, on online activity in internet cafes and on hotel stays and travel records.
Online data leakage is a major problem in China. Local media reports describe how people with access to the data sell private details to fraudsters, suspicious spouses and anyone else, sometimes for just a few dollars per person. Leaks have become severe enough that police created their own company that handles data directly, skirting third-party systems.
A wide number of people and companies have access to the data underlying Chinas mandatory identification card system through legitimate means. Companies with police connections use faces from ID cards to train facial-recognition systems. The card system also tracks fingerprints, faces, ethnicity and age.
A technology contractor called Shenfenbao, for example, had access to real-time records of every person staying in some 1,200 hotels in the southern city of Xiamen. In a demonstration, Lin Jiahong, a Shenfenbao salesman, searched one common name a Chinese equivalent of John Smith and came up with three guests, their hotels, room numbers, time of check-in, registered address, ethnicity and age.
Through data on our platform, we can dig out all records of a particular person, and make a comprehensive analysis of the route of activities of this person, said Mr. Lin, who added that his company also offered algorithms to flag women who check into multiple hotels in one night for suspicion of prostitution.
Signs of a backlash are brewing. In Shanghai, residents pushed back against a police plan to install facial-recognition cameras in a building complex. In Zhejiang Province, a professor filed a lawsuit against a zoo after it required mandatory facial-recognition scans for its members to get access.
In the Shijiachi residential complex, where the facial recognition replaced key card locks, the rebellion has been powered by wire and plywood.
On a brisk day in November, the doors of a number of buildings had been propped open with crude doorstops, making facial scans unnecessary.
Terry Jin, a two-year resident of Shijiachi, said technology should not cross some lines.
I think that facial recognition outside each building is fine, Mr. Jin said. If they put it outside my door, that wouldnt be O.K.
What Happens When You Say No
Agnes Ouyang was heading to work in Shenzhen last year when two police officers told her she had jaywalked and would need to show them her identity card. When she refused, she said, they grabbed her roughly and used a phone to snap a photo of her face.Within moments, their facial-recognition system had identified her, and they issued her a ticket for about $3.
It was all too ridiculous, Ms. Ouyang said. Law-enforcement officers of low moral stock have high-tech weapons.
High-tech surveillance is reshaping Chinese life in ways small and profound. The Communist Party has long ruled supreme, and the country lacks a strong court system or other checks against government overreach. But outside the realm of politics, Chinese life could be freewheeling and chaotic thanks to lax enforcement or indifferent officials.
Those days may be coming to an end. In the realms of consumer safety and the environment, that could make life better. But it has given police new powers to control the people.
The whole bureaucratic system is broken, said Borge Bakken, a professor at Australian National University who studies Chinas police. Under Xi Jinping, were seeing the flowering of a police state.
Chinese police now boast that facial-recognition systems regularly catch crooks. At a tourist island in the picturesque port city of Xiamen, authorities say they use facial recognition to catch unlicensed tour guides. Shanghai police have begun using helmets with a camera embedded in the front. Databases and procurement documents also show they search out the mentally ill, people with a history of drug use or government gadflies.
Some new claims are outlandish, such as software that claims to read emotion and criminal intent from a face. But the surveillance net that police have rolled out in Xinjiang, a region of northwestern China that is home to many predominantly Muslim ethnic groups, shows the vast potential for the rest of the country.
Police have blanketed the region in cameras, phone trackers and sensor-studded checkpoints. In Urumqi, the regional capital, police sealed off 3,640 residential complexes with checkpoints and installed 18,464 sets of facial-recognition cameras in them, according to data unveiled at a police presentation in August given by Li Yabin, a top police official in Xinjiang. In the southern Xinjiang city of Kashgar, The New York Times tallied a dense network of 37 phone trackers installed permanently in a single, square-kilometer neighborhood.
Ms. Ouyang, the woman ticketed for jaywalking, knew the dangers, but took her complaints public anyway. She posted an account of her run-in with police on WeChat, the Chinese social media outlet, at 11 p.m. By the time she went to work the next morning, it had been seen tens of thousands of times. Then it vanished.
Video
Children playing beneath cameras and phone trackers in Kashgar, China.CreditCredit...Video by Paul Mozur
After she saw police treat another woman the same way, Ms. Ouyang wrote a second post. It came down in just two hours.Then the police called and demanded a meeting.
I said, how did you find me? Ms. Ouyang said. He said, its easy for the police to find a person.
Fearful, she asked a friend to accompany her and chose to meet the police at a Starbucks instead of the police station. Two officers bought them coffee and gave her a phone number to call if she had future complaints. But mostly, they said, she needed to keep quiet. Her post had been seen by higher-up officials and embarrassed the citys police, they said.
Ms. Ouyang said the experience was one sign of an authoritarian turn within China, and that some of her friends quietly talk about leaving. She has no plans to leave, she says, but she worries about her future in a country where everything is watched and controlled.
Youre uncomfortable with it, she said. But if you dont do it, then theres no possibility of living a life. Theres no way out.
Paul Mozur reported from Zhengzhou, China, in addition to Xiamen, Shaoxing, Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, Kashgar and Urumqi. Aaron Krolik reported from New York. Keith Collins contributed reporting from New York.
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Posted by ert on December 18, 2019, at 14:52:55
In reply to Re: Honesty, integrity and Michael Richard Pompeo, posted by ert on December 18, 2019, at 13:07:27
US America will maybe incorporated in Chinese total control and surveillance. Because our country is mainly concerned about what happens abroad but not attentive and determined enough about what happens on homeland ;-)
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/15/asia/china-military-recruit-quit-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
Posted by ert on December 19, 2019, at 5:17:35
In reply to Re: Honesty, integrity and Michael Richard Pompeo, posted by ert on December 18, 2019, at 14:52:55
The reason for the rulers attitude towards privacy and property rights is maybe that Hsiung is of Chinese ancestry. I have not thought about that before. For me this attitude is somehow alienating. But it is satisfying that there might be causes found that can lead to more clarification.
Posted by ert on February 29, 2020, at 18:47:10
In reply to 2020 Babble Generation, posted by rjlockhart37 on October 12, 2019, at 0:17:53
' publicly uploads privacy data, medical data as well as IPs,
to be precise, the IPs Hsiung obviously saves offline but not online, otherwise everyone could check where they live, where they work or from which company they post.
This is the end of the thread.
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