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Posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2019, at 18:17:51
I am not entirely sure he was the interviewer.
I thought there was a clergy person.
Someone who was into living wills.
We were told names of a prospective list so we could google them, you see.
I suppose the information available at the time is different from how they choose to market themselves these days.
I did not know that the level of euthanasia dialogue (still, many many many years after) at Otago runs like this: Euthanasia is what farmers do to their herds. GPs have herds, too, rather like being farmers for the good of their selves... or similar... GPs must never commit euthanasia on their herds peoples though becuase that would be morally wrong.
There is no conception of informed consent.
There is no conception of autonomy.
There is no understanding of treating adults even with the most basic of courtesy's that are are supposed to demonstrate towards children: One of assent. There is no concern or consideration for assent, even. I mean, if someone is screaming `nonononono' then I guess you can't immunise them, but you are supposed to bully them into believing they are mentally handicapped or similar if they aren't willing to let you immunise them with something that you don't even know what it is...
It is because they were picked too young. Selected from Secondary School by the headmaster. Because they were deemed to be natural leaders of men. Becuase they were on the rugby team with relatively good grades and were tall and robust seeming from working class backgrounds.
That was the start of it.
Then it was their children. Their own (often) spoiled children. Whether or not their children wanted it. They don't get to assent either, often enough, I do see that.
Anyway... Whatever...
These people stole my life.
They stole my stuff. THey stole my ideas. THey stole my work. They bullied me and guilted me and shamed me...
And I do not want to join them. I do not want to be like them. I do not want it to be about luck. Luck. Luck. So you strike it lucky then consider you have done your time after what? After how long? Then you get to take your... $5,000 bicycle? $10,000 bicycle? And trip round the country to your holiday home?
You can't work while doing that?
No phone consultations.
No internet no worky for you??
Course not.
We don't have clean drinking water!
Course internet no worky for you.
We are actively selecting for psychopaths.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2019, at 18:25:25
In reply to d, posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2019, at 18:17:51
and being selected into medical school so young...
made it that they went to medical school INSTEAD of having an education.
that is to say they started out their apprentiseship being a GP for the colony INSTEAD of getting to study either science or arts or both.
And so we are actually dealing with an uneducated population.
And we have this idea of Medicine, here, as a head of a hierarchy sort of a thing. And that would be the case of it if the Degree is accepting the people who have done the best on their previous degrees.
But Medicine isn't taking the people who have done the best on their previous degrees. Medicine is taking the kids of the medical doctors straight out of secondary school (on the basis of 3/4 of their first year university subjects that are largely repeats of high school curriculum only available to some people in this country).
the lengths they go to to promote this ideal that they are the smartest.
the level of debate in bioethics...
it just doesn't work.
I wrote to FAMER and told them we have an undergraduate degree. Some people are not let into the degree until they have paid the maximum fees the university feels it can possibly extract from them first...
To fund the scholarships for other people's children.
This is not a private university system.
This is a public university system.
Medical Doctors ALL train in our public hospitals.
This is corruption.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2019, at 18:43:51
In reply to Re: d, posted by alexandra_k on October 5, 2019, at 18:25:25
there is not a lot that i can do about the psychopath thing. i am not a psychopath. i am not a 'kiss up kick down' kind of a person. particularly when it comes to things like education and healthcare that attitude / notion doesn't not allow for a sustainable enterprise.
if you will not help people when you can get away with exploiting them...
then, uh, you are ruining it. ruining it for us all.
i can't look someone in the eyes and give them genuine smiles and tall them garbage or withhold the truth.
i can say 'i think it is a pretty color' or 'it is important that you feel comfortable' when someone is asking for emotional reassurance.
i cannot say 'everything is going to be okay' while giving someone a painkilling lethal injection. most especially not when they have not given consent or assent or information that the painkilling injection will likely kill them and do they even want to die?
i cannot withhold information about effective treatments because of the client's inability to pay.
i can say that most treatments have both pros and cons and there are risks associated with all procedures.
i don't think any of this is valued, here.
which makes me very fearful that i do not have access to the most basic level of medical care, here.
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i got a flu shot the other day. first time ever. the nurse who administered it either did not speak English very well or was pretending not to speak English very well. The form was contradictory (informed consent was not possible). For example:
- I have had cancer treatment in the last 3 months
There was a whole list of statements like that. She said 'agreeing means that you haven't' and she kept saying 'and then I will give you the flu - yes? I will then give you the flu'.
I wrote 'not' into the statements and signed the form.
I said 'you mean you will give me the immunisation so it is less likely I will get the flu' and she just laughed and said she was giving me the flu.
This is the standard of health care.
I wrote down my immunisation batch number.
You see.. People look at the forms and say 'nobody voluntarily consents'. They say the people aren't capable of it. They say the people cannot tell the difference. They treat the people as animals.
They treat the people (Singer) worse than we should even treat animals.
We shouldn't even treat animals that badly.
There was this whole thing about teh Australian Psychopaths not understanding / pretending to not understand Singer.
Singer had this thing about how informed consent was for persons. About how there are degrees of personhood. Degrees of complex plans and so on. About how some animals have higher cognitive capacity than many homo sapiens do. It was about how we cannot draw an arbirary line at species. It is arbitrary to say 'never euthanise homo sapiens but indiscriminate killing of animals is acceptable'
He was arguing that we should treat animals significantly better than we do.
He was not arguing that we should treat some homo sapiens (the ones without capacity such as infants and intellectually handicapped) worse or as bad as we treat animals.
but in the spirit of 'in order for me to succeed i don't need to pursue success all i need is for my success to be tied to the failure of people who'se failure is inevitable' mindset a bunch of handicapped people were encouraged to pick up placards and so on and argue against the straw man position that Singer was advocating that we murder them all!
I am so done trying to explain these things to people who lack the capacity to understand.
It isn't a failure of rationality.
I don't know what it is.
I don't care what it is.
It is tedious.
No amount of explaining by me helps anybody else understand. It is a pointless waste of time of an exercise.
But surely I have done my time with all these awful awful awful awful awful people being the boss of me and many other people for the good of... Uh... For the good of... Uh... For the good of... Becaues they are getting away with it. Becuase there is nothing else they would rather be doing with their lives than abusing others with their power.
Yay them.
...
And then they get sick.
...
Sigh.
...
And that's what billings is for. Triage them to billings...
This is the end of the thread.
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