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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 23, 2019, at 12:20:08
In reply to Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 23, 2019, at 12:09:10
only thing im nervous about is what I've posted, i'm in transitioning to post more professional or suitable posts and we could interate posters here to be insightful, like professional format responses. This is a cool place to post just info, or random topics and it's fun to read them. But say this website became an app, the posts could get bumped up to a more professional and insightful manner that would attract people, and they would connect to others to tell them about it. I don't know if that could be a good business descion. Still im leary because it's just confortable with what we're doing right now, interesting posters just helping eachother. Anyways that's just a thought, I don't want to make dr-bob.org lose it's original format and way of posting. It's just an idea.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 24, 2019, at 19:16:35
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 23, 2019, at 12:20:08
I like your signature, rj.
The boards won't be what they were because Bob has retired from them.
The boards were what they were because of the infrastructure that he created... That allowed or facilitated (or whatever) certain people or aspects of certain people to thrive or flourish or merely persist here, for a time.
Part of it was the illusion of anonymity that people just don't have, anymore. Part of it was the knowledge that most people IRL would not understand the kinds of relationships it is possible to form with people *by writing* even if you told them. Now... Everybody gets it with text messages and email and facebook and so on... Every kid and their 8 year old child has an account...
Most people want to feel like they are the centre or the hub or whatever of their online experience. They want control over how they project themselves. Or the illusion of it. Control over their homepage. They want to block people from posting to their page. They want to friend this one and ignore that one. And so on... People don't want to post to Dr Bob's domain anymore because they want to post to their own domain. They want to have control over it themselves. They want to feel like other people are visiting them rather than them visiting other people. Or something. I don't know.
I don't think the people who used to post their personal experiences here would post their personal experiences on the internet, anymore. Because people are acutely aware of the lack of privacy. And because many of those people have moved on. It's the newer generation who are aware of the lack of privacy.
I am still here because I am still trapped in NZ. Still being ignored, here. Still not having the resources, here, to have my basic needs met. Still having people (not my brother - people who don't know when to stop) ignore me, rubbish rubbish pooh pooh me, treat me like garbage...
In focusing in on my Mother's nastiness growing up I didn't realise how prevalent that attitude / spirit was in others. Maybe not about biscuits etc but... I imagine... Even if my Mother went out of her way to select some *nice* ones... They would have bitch moaned bickered and complained about whatever ones she did pick - no matter which ones she picked. So it really made no difference from that point of view. I do remember... Little things I remember... That indicate that the other Mothers were rather awful, too...
Sigh.
Time to close the book?
Waiting for the opening of another chapter...
Posted by alexandra_k on August 24, 2019, at 19:22:39
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on August 24, 2019, at 19:16:35
It is about power at the end of the day.
Because people do not listen to me.
I have to try and justify myself constantly to people not particularly amenable to reason.
I have to suffer the consequences of their terrible and less than optimal decisions.
Their decisions affect me.
My decisions are really (often) no skin off their nose.
Except for their preference to be Lord and Master of everything and to micro-mismanage everything worse if they can get away with it...People don't even have the capacity to tell...
At the most basic level.
They can't tell it when they see it.I am sure there are other people... Like me...
But I am cut off from them, here.Human connection isn't someting that I'm going for / looking for anymore...
If only I could find people willing to follow good rules...
People here can't even parse good rules.
There aren't good rules.
Can't tell the reason for the rule...
Swampy swamp swamp swampy swamped in teh swampy swampy swamp swamp
At least everybody's in this together (whethe rthey like it or not) ho!
People moved on from Babble...
Realised what was going on in thier neighbourhood wasn't that bad...
As the people swamped to the internet the internet people were released back out into the world.
I imagine.
You can tell the people now.
The people who were huddling over their computers / phones before.
Now that the masses are huddling over their computers / phones they are the ones breathing in the fresh air of the world...
Posted by ert on August 26, 2019, at 16:39:02
In reply to Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 23, 2019, at 12:09:10
rjlockhart37:
You got accustomed to that website like others here too. Much has to do with habituation. Some participants got psychologically dependent.
But this project from dr. robert c. hsiung is not benevolent. If it were, he would not lie as well as undermine and disrespect the participants rights. And generate money with improperly authorized and stolen medical data. It is not clear how many revoked or requested delete but since there has been over 20000 users it is quite sure that there are others. Over twenty years ago the circumstances were somewhat different, however.The privacy rights and other regulations override the justification to run such a public database. If this were justified, also the gynecologists could upload their partly anonymized images and generate money with social network and search buttons. and eventually refuse to delete. But actually this could be run without causing any violations of laws.
That this violates many laws is sure, and that I am sometimes wrong is sure too.Telegram for example could replace this website. A new feature got implemented that allows a slow mode. I think that nearly all people have smartphones nowadays, in Africa they have more smartphones than Personal Computers.
Also the phpbb could replace it with the option that unconditionally guarantees the participants the possibility to rule themselves over their privacy data.
https://www.bokt.nl/forums/
(this has over hundred millions posts).
Posted by alexandra_k on August 27, 2019, at 16:49:59
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by ert on August 26, 2019, at 16:39:02
and the illusion of control. people like to have the illusion of control.
for example, people wanted to be able to choose for themselves which posters posts were visible and which posters were effectively blocked from their vision.
people wanted to have the appearance of choice when it came to re-writing their content, too. deleting past posts. re-writing past posts.
in new zealand we have blurred things so that the government has people believe they have the right to *ask* for this and that (e.g., to opt off of their data being accessible on a system or to opt out of this or that observational study on how people respond to being kept in inhumane conditions) but no appreciation that it is one thing to *ask* and another thing to *get what it is that you have asked for*.
our government has employed people to work under the rubric of human rights and the human rights commission. they are employed to basically tell people they have no human rights -- we have the bill of rights which is solely about discrimination against groups of people and you have to establish that discrimination has occurred on balance of probability before the courts.
that is 'bait and switch'.
if our Prime Minister is being held in an off-shore detention facility for his crimes as Chief of a large Pacific Island then his rights may or may not be being violated with such things as torture and the like. This is quite independent of whether or not the people responsible for his come uppance are equal opportunity abusers or not.
Clearly.
I trust Bob more than I trust Facebook.
But, you know, people...
Posted by ert on August 27, 2019, at 18:46:39
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on August 27, 2019, at 16:49:59
Alex:
your posts are particularly interesting.
Privacy and property is not an illusion.
it got tighter regulated.
It seems that you could have been a talented and lovely woman who entered officer roselands car.
I do not trust dr. Robert C. Hsiung, he is a liar and thief.
I do not trust Facebook too, but with Facebook you can at least delete and edit your posts. That is a big difference.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 29, 2019, at 13:11:50
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by ert on August 26, 2019, at 16:39:02
yeah, well im not sure if this is correct, but 1. the boards generate money for people, our posts have a financial value with us knowing it. 2. Expose of data even with asked permission to remove it, dr-bob the only time he removed a post was in an emergency with identity malice. I posted my last name and it came all over google. It was emergency to get it off. He took it off. But as for other posts, even some of the most embarrassing, usally does not take it off. It's only posts that are detrimental such as suicide, exposing illegal data on the forums. Those are usally when they taken down. And also, just if there's a post that they see and don't like it, they take it down. We have no control over this. I'm not sure, therer are some posters that know dr-bob very well, and go to babble meetings and dinners as in the past in Chicago. Those posters are not much here anymore, there more lurkers, not posters.
But yes, if this site became a app, that means major money income if it was successful. This place is already a database, I have no idea if there's money income and our posts having financial benefit or value. But what I do know, yes dr-bob may be doing some not so good things, but see this board has a guideline, but also this site is almost outdate, the guidelines were from the 2000s, late 90s. Anyways, I don't know if I even known what im talking about. But yes, HIPAA im not sure would apply to this board since it's a public domain.
Posted by ert on August 29, 2019, at 15:38:53
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 29, 2019, at 13:11:50
You do not seem to know your rights entirely, rjlockhart37. I myself did not know as much as I do now, until I glanced over some of the regulatory frameworks at the weekends.
That is what I have found out
is Dr. Robert C. Hsiung a covered entity? Yes. Then the HIPAA does apply.
Does Hsiung handle ephi that contains medical data and data ? Yes.
Does Hsiung release it to third parties? Yes.
What conditions do apply when a covered entity releases ephi to third parties (public domain)? It would have needed someones consent, a signature and clear conditions for revocation with a date (authorization form).As far as I understand, it is not necessary to be Hsiungs patient. When you send him medical data you are actually being treated by Dr. Hsiung and the HIPAA applies.
Clear conditions for revocation means, as far as I understand, that he must delete someones posts. This because all posts are connected together to a profile and the psychiatric ephi is consequently one entity. I am not completely sure, however. Psychiatric ephi is obviously not the same as an x-ray of a bone or a gynecologic image.
There are exceptions. For research purposes the identifiers can be removed without explicit consent or a form and then the data used offline. But that does not apply when ephi is released to third parties.
Furthermore in the FAQs it is stated that Hsiung collects demographic material so that he can characterize the community. But everyone else can characterize the community too demographic content such as professions, locations and so forth is identifying according to the HIPAA. And there is plenty of that in the archives. (connected) posts themselves can be identifying too. The HIPAA states that everything which can be used to characterize someone is identifying.
Robert C. Hsiung actually never had the participants consent with their signature and a date for revocation, therefore it can be argued that the content of the database got illegally built up over the twenty years it has been running.
So what does Hsiung wrong?
-it would have needed a signature or electronic signature. But what is more important is that
it would have needed clear conditions for a revocation with a date. In that particular case, the participants should be able to edit and delete their posts at best themselves.But what does Dr. Robert C. Hsiung do? - He warns in his consent that you risk to loose your job or you risk to land in jail when you post here. And the conditions for revocation are not mentioned in the consent but rather in the privacy section of the faqs, where it is stated that the leaders policy is to delete not entire posts.
If there was no HIPAA, the internet would be flooded immediately with medical data and doctors could make a lot of money. I think most countries have regulatory safeguards.
For the EU and its GDPR he must delete everything, for other judiciaries he must even destroy the hard drive.
With Hsiungs policy, participants rights are undermined, not respected and the participants potentially exposed to unnecessary risks. When Hsiung makes money for personal gain (the running costs subtracted) he is exploiting the participants.
As you said, rjlockhart37, it must be taken into account that the website started over 20 years ago.
For me it looks like it has been to some extent an ego project with that Hsiung could make career in the academic establishment and garner research grants (or finally make money with buttons). But of course I think too that it was not only that.
As I said, it is sure that this violates laws and it is sure too that I am sometimes wrong.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2019, at 17:31:16
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by ert on August 27, 2019, at 18:46:39
> with Facebook you can at least delete and edit your posts. That is a big difference.
you can alter how your posts appear to yourself and people you have friended.
i would be very surprised, indeed, it if was impossible for people with know-how to reconstruct the entire state of things.
like...
i'm sure it is possible for people with know-how to reconstruct the entire state of your email construction. i mean... to replay your writing it in real time like watching a time-lapse camera replay.
word deleted here, word inserted there, spelling corrected there...
why wouldn't you think a similar thing goes on for your gmails?
i just mean to say that privacy on the interet is an illusion.
people have more or less know-how and know-how to access things more or less... but privacy is a dream, now...
all the persons voluntarily carrying around their internet surveillance devices. their phones with their fingerprint or their iris or whatever identification. it is a way of tracking precisely where they are on the grid at all times. every purchase they make. they even ask questions of google. like google is their personal internet therapist.
the only solution is to be a good person, for really, i guess.
i suppose it is a way of trying to bring the psychopaths into line.
which is better for us all then then there is no way to have the psychopaths brought into line.
this site arose pretty organically. i don't think Bob started out with a master plan or think that anyone had any idea of where things were headed, really.
science fiction was our best guess.
how people talk to google like it is eliza the therapist. how people would talk to eliza...
the data on this site is in an unwelidy form. it would take people quite a while to translate it into a usable format / to encode it. there are much much much much easier ways of fetching usable data than from this site, i would imagine. especially since now days the interest would be largely historical, i think.
facebook data would be much more useful than the data, here.
especially if people could be lulled into believing that they had complete control over their data over there.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2019, at 17:33:31
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea » ert, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2019, at 17:31:16
it is nice, though, that the laws are developing.
i saw a nice article not so long ago by some international students here basically saying that if we wanted to collaborate with overseas researchers (as we will want to if we want usable sample sizes) then we will have to follow the regulations... easiest to just follow the most stringent regulations there are so we don't rule out collaborative projects. it was very nicely. to motivate all those psychopaths out there who are used to thinking you do the absolute bare minimum that you can possible get away with while dragging your heels and kicking up the biggest stink as you can every single step of the way...
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2019, at 17:46:52
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2019, at 17:33:31
you think i am overly trusting?
that is funny (strange not funny haha) because i am often accused of being untrusting / being overly suspicious.
i trust... differently.
most people are very susceptible to advertising. i understand that there has been quite the kerfuffle about google and facebook. the populations are here. on the internet. like how nasty people have figured out the low road to growth of their business in real life the internet has become their new home.
it is as you say, more people have smartphones in the world than... probably than people who have access to clean drinking water.
and it is a relatively easy way of tracking people.
it is a relatively easy way of checking whether people add up or not. whether they are telling lies about where they are or who they are associating with or how they spend their time.
just having a jack around in people's personal email accounts. seeing whether they pirate music or porn and what kind of tastes they have. whether they trawl seedy websites or whether they are looking for a bargain. whether they are susceptible to click bait. whether they send people spam. whether they make purchases from dodgey websites. what their search history is.
i would imagine a couple hours investment of time would dig up... most things.
how would you prevent it?
we don't even choose our own passwords anymore! passwords are not secure. I might give you my password and loan you my phone. while i'm off banging my boss's secretary, or whatever. no, i must iris scan and fingerprint scan my authenticiation.
but sure, we would worry about Bob?
?
sigh.
i cannot even afford a secure device. even if i could afford a secure device i would imagine i would be forced to make it insecure to have access to basic utilities in this country. there would be something like that. you know, having power connected to your property just is giving them the right to... i don't know... do whatever they please.
we haven't got the hang of 'nobody in their right mind would consent to that'.
but everyone has been telling me over the last few years that black is white and up is down and rubbish is the tastiest of most desirables and so on and so on and so on just an endless stream of crazy-making sh*t.
autism is the only rational position. in many environments. seems to me.
Posted by ert on September 2, 2019, at 5:02:44
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2019, at 17:46:52
Alex:
The regulations are there to protect people because privacy got more and more intruded. Some judiciaries strengthened their measures. Adept people, like well versed people in IT or engineers still can maintain and adequate level of privacy. Inept people who do not know their rights cannot anymore maintain a sufficient level of privacy.
It depends a lot how you use your devices. You do not need to install the facebook app, instead you can use the opera browser for that. An app could suck up data. You do not even need google. Most services are replaceable, eg. for youtube you can use newpipe.
You are right, when you connect your device to the internet privacy gets lost. You could remove the antennas or use an old computer.
If you want certainty, you must apply a strong electro magnetic field that can fend off any antennas. You can only calculate with possibilities, if you connect something to the internet. If you did not compile you encryption yourself, security is not guaranteed a hundred percent.Many people here may have never known about their rights. The authorities should actually care for defenseless, uninformed and adept people.
Posted by ert on September 2, 2019, at 15:02:05
In reply to Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 23, 2019, at 12:09:10
There maybe some benevolence. I do not deny that. But overall I think there is definitely more malevolence. Apart form the coercion and risks that the site poses because of the rights that are disregarded, how does the ruler measure the outcomes? he does not know if it really helps. Also the truth and information can get distorted which consequently can lead to disinformation because participants will not reveal themselves or understandably lie eg. to obfuscate the truth.
If the ruler did not misappropriate someones property of many people who do not know their rights and if the ruler let the participants the control over it at all times I would see more benevolence.
If the site has good overview is a technical thing. The phpBB also has good overview and the telegram has other advantages such as better person to person communication and privacy that is within the meaning of the laws.
More important and the imperative virtue is in my opinion if vulnerable persons can rule themselves over what they have revealed.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 3, 2019, at 3:27:01
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Robert C. Hsiung I have an idea, posted by ert on September 2, 2019, at 5:02:44
I imagine that education could help. Knowledge of mechanism. I remember someone showing me how to bypass the windows login for Windows 95. You just closed the password pop up window like you closed any other window. You clicked on the little 'close' icon at the top right. I was... Shocked.
Sometimes the best defence is similarly... Basic. Put a piece of sticky paper over the camera when you don't want the camera to be recording / broadcasting. Simple enough measure.
Until it... Catches on. Until... Enough of the people catch on. I guess you always gotta be running running running ahead of the curve.
I remember being told 'turn it off at the wall if you aren't using it'.
Simple measures.
Permissions people voluntarily sign away when they download this, that, or the other thing.
I don't use Facebook.
I don't stay in touch.
My people sold out or... Were beamed out.
I decided I needed to learn / know Medicine. For myself. So I could make informed decisions. Because the Doctors I met were... Not as smart as me. Often. Because I don't think they applied themselves to working out what was going on with me, than I would. And not just me... Other people, too. What was going on for them, even.
And of course everyone thinks I'm a fool for having come back to this country. Trouble is that people have chosen to invest in teaching me a lesson in why it was a bad idea. They did not choose to make sacrifies in their own case to work towards such a thing... Stuffed if they are going to let anyone else do it, if they can get away with preventing them...
Is a problem.
I don't want to be a martyr. I guess it's about whether they choose to sacrifice me. At the end of the day. If they think ending me is worth ending them. It is scary because we know already they don't value their lives (or even the choices they have made of what to do with their lives) overly much.
I don't have a computer old enough to work without internet access, I don't think...
One computer drops the internet sometimes. Sometimes the date on it changes. Like it's the year 2000 and the Millenium bug hit it and because the date isn't right it won't go online... Perhaps there is a window of hope, for it.
I am starting to imagine myself with a tinfoil hat. Sigh.
I choose to believe that those with most power... Most technology... Are most intelligent. Most good.
In other words... I try not to lose sleep over the idea that my privacy is being violated. The kind of privacy violation I worry about is privacy violation from those at the lowest levels. The unsophisticated ones who only get to violate my privacy because... Their violations are being monitored.
Like... All the people who failed my written assessments (e.g., very low grades on laboratory reports or essay exercises)... How all that is uploaded to 'Turnitin' to monitor them. The people too stupid to realise the true function of such a thing.
I really don't want to be a matyr... But things have been developing backwards, here. Everyone is on the 'take what you can get and then flee' lifeplan.
And now I feel cross with the rest of the world...
The segments of Australia and the US that I have seen...
If I were to be an academic philosopher. To work for that.
But what about the pursuit of knowledge?
Socrates was a fool for not fleeing. For staying and drinking the Hemlock.
But did he need to be matyred for the founding of Plato's Academy?
What would he have got for fleeing?
Would they have let him be part of an academy someplace else?
Posted by alexandra_k on September 3, 2019, at 3:52:09
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by ert on September 2, 2019, at 15:02:05
I guess when I think about this site I think about how it started.
The Medications board. To start with Psychiatrists were posting and asking questions about medications they perhaps weren't overly familiar with. Asking about side-effects others had found on some of the newer ones with less of a track record. And a few patients / clients / consumers were posting, too. Similarly, asking about newer medications, or perhaps posting their experiences with the newer medications.
So it was a way of... Chatting to other clinicians. Which would have been useful if one wasn't part of a large teaching hospital or something like that. If one only had a couple patients on a medication hard to see / know patterns. Hard to know if there is an association between a medication and a side-effect or whether it is merely chance. Otherwise, all one has to go on in what the drug company reps say, and we know they can be a bit slow to fess up to / to catch on to some of the harmful associations with their product.
And then over time... More and more people posted.
And so clinicians got scared away, a bit. Because they didn't want to be / didn't want to be liable for offering free medical advice over the internet. And the masses found the internet, rather. You had people like me, people from developing nations without access to psychiatry at all, really.
When the site made the New York Times then it was... All over. Methinks. If not before then. But definately then then. Now every pharmaceutal company is going to be paying people to come to Babble and post about how their latest and newest and most expensive medication is the wonderful magical cure for everything... And so how do you guard against that?
And things were developed to make the coding easier. Things like... Hashtags, and the like. To help with the search functions and the like.
This site goes 'wrong' in so many ways. Masses and masses and masses and masses and masses and masses and masses of uncodable text. You could spent an hour with peoples internet search history (available from their IP) or an hour doing a random selection of what is coming out of their phone (what is being audio / voice recorded) or how they spend their money (bank history) or who they spend their time with (proximity viruses on cellphones) and learn so very very very very very much more about a person really really really really areally really for reals... Than you would learn spending however many hours reading however much masses of text on this site.
Bob nailed it: The problem for the future will be in FINDING the needle in the haystack that has become the internet.
The way around it was to not let people build haystacks anymore. People aren't allowed to say what they mean. THey need select from the drop down menu so they can be grouped with the others who responded the same. And so on. Hashtags much be included.
You can see it unfolding yourself. From the very start... If at the very start anybody had told Bob what this site would become... I don't think Bob would have believed them. If Bob had have tried to tell them... I don't think they would have believed him.
10 years ago (roughly) I told the good people at Otago that the internet was the future for Medicine in NZ. THey pooh pooh rubbished it. Said they didn't have clean drinking water for many of their people. Well.. They still don't have clean drinking water for many of their people. But millions of dollars gets spent on cr(apps) that don't work / aren't functional. And so on...
And there was something very recently about this whole message board for surgeons thing. Like... Like because NZ is so very very very far behind we can re-invent the wheel by doing what this site was for surgery. Hahaahahahaha ahahha. Yeah right.
The concern was that people might tell the site things they wouldn't say to people's faces. For example, post that you hate your boss and your boss sucks. Then you find yourself fired.
Back when people trusted / believed in privacy.
People don't believe in privacy anymore, I don't think. Not like that.
Who believes in secrets anymore?
There is no... Confidence. There are no. Confidants. Some things money cannot buy.
Not anymore.
You have to go off the grid for that.
And then back on the grid.
It just doen't happen. Anymore.
This whole matyr thing...
It's just another thing. Just another thing. Just one more thing. From the toxic environment...
It is up to them if they choose to matyr me.
That's on them.
They know I don't deserve that.
So are they going to behave themselves, or what?
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Sigh.I agree with you about the empowerment. Choosing for yourself what to reveal.
People have long said that NZ is a culture / nation of bullies. It really is. Choice is not something we believe in. There is this thing about 'having no shame'. ABout that being a virtue. I suppose I realised over the last couple days what my mother was trying to do... She was trying to toughen me up. She was trying to teach me to have no shame. She was trying, the best way she knew how, to do that. By way of shaming me as often and as much as she could and by magnifying and magnifying and poking and proding my shame as much as she could...
And I never got it. I never hardened up / toughened up. I dissociated -- for a time. But I kept my inner child while the people around me bound theirs.
Curiosity and sensitivity and the smaller gentler tenderer feelings. The vulnerability. Emotionally.
Are not things that people are really able to feel, here.
I don't know. You have to weave your environment. Do your thing while / where the masses are sleeping... I don't know.
I don't know.
> There maybe some benevolence. I do not deny that. But overall I think there is definitely more malevolence. Apart form the coercion and risks that the site poses because of the rights that are disregarded, how does the ruler measure the outcomes? he does not know if it really helps. Also the truth and information can get distorted which consequently can lead to disinformation because participants will not reveal themselves or understandably lie eg. to obfuscate the truth.
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> If the ruler did not misappropriate someones property of many people who do not know their rights and if the ruler let the participants the control over it at all times I would see more benevolence.
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> If the site has good overview is a technical thing. The phpBB also has good overview and the telegram has other advantages such as better person to person communication and privacy that is within the meaning of the laws.
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> More important and the imperative virtue is in my opinion if vulnerable persons can rule themselves over what they have revealed.
Posted by ert on September 10, 2019, at 16:51:50
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea » ert, posted by alexandra_k on September 3, 2019, at 3:52:09
Alexandra:
Yes, simple measures to improve privacy are already good.
Your mother probably meant it well but meaning it well is not always well for someone.
You wrote phone, do you have a smartphone?
what type of internet connection, speed do you use?
the fans or heaters don't you use anymore ? I am a fan of wool and sheep's.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 11, 2019, at 0:01:41
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by ert on September 10, 2019, at 16:51:50
> Your mother probably meant it well but meaning it well is not always well for someone.
that is probably true.
> You wrote phone, do you have a smartphone?i have a not very smart phone that is no longer software supported. it isn't smart enough / stupid enough to scan my eye or my fingerprint or engage in face identification. so... maybe it is more secure than the newer phones, even. i don't know. privacy / security is only an illusion. is not even an illusion. we can't even pull off the facade of the most basic level of respectfulness or modesty or anything at all like that.
internet is okay. laggy mmo's with northern hemisphere servers, but i'm really into that so, whatever.
> the fans or heaters don't you use anymore ? I am a fan of wool and sheep's.
i am currently using probably the crappiest heater i have ever owned. it is one of those 'oil column' heaters that is sort of semi designed to look like a central heating water radiator. they used to be filled with oil but powered by electric. but in the quest to see how low could we go they started building them and they would leak oil all about the place. so then they stopped filling them with oil. so, basically, it is some kind of cheap aliminum or something with wires that heat up, i suppose rather like a cheap toaster.
there is a ceramic heater that has been hard-wire installed to the wall. the manufacturers instructions were left for me. the instructions say quite clearly 'do not run the cable along the back of the heater'. the cable has been run along the back of the heater and hard-wire installed into the wall so it is impossible for me to unplug it and re-wire it.
the heater has been screwed hard into the wall. i tried unscrewing it but the cheap aliminum (or whatever) screws werent' fit for purpose. the little cross in the phillips head warped and pulled it's way smooth. so the heater isn't coming out of the wall anytime soon.
rather like the screw that was installed in my ankle with the weakest part of the screw crossing the mobile joint.
i am tired of idiots being in charge of my welfare.
f*ck*ng idiots.
f*ck*ng idiots.
so f*ck*ng stupid to see i would do a considerably better job of looking after me than tehy would
f*ck*ng idiotsf*ck*ng idiots
f*ck*ng idiots
Posted by alexandra_k on September 11, 2019, at 0:04:58
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea » ert, posted by alexandra_k on September 11, 2019, at 0:01:41
and i didn't use to feel like that. i used to have empathy for them. but how can i have empathy for them when they do not have empathy for me?
how can i feel bad for them that they dont' get their labs back in a timely fashion when they don't think anything at all with holding up processing my food grants...
and so on...
do unto others.
i have seen how new zealand has done unto me.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 11, 2019, at 0:07:29
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on September 11, 2019, at 0:04:58
and so it is time to go.
give me my pieces of paper and sign me off and let me go.
you had me. you squandered me. when you could have taught me and trained me and loved me and nurthered me. you didn't. you delayed me and bullied me and shamed me and wasted my time. you did everythign you could to take everything that was my fair share for yourself and withhold everything from me. you did everything you could to refuse to acknowledge the work that i did and refuse to offer me a living wage. even less to acknowledge all the extra and additional work that i did. all of your work that i did.
you get nothing.
you get nothing from me.
you took more than your fair share from me, already.
f*ck*ng pay the piper and let me go.
Posted by ert on September 13, 2019, at 5:58:24
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob - I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on September 11, 2019, at 0:07:29
You could wear a pullover, Alex. The merino wool from nz is fairly expensive elsewhere. But in nz you probably have special discounts for wool, maybe. I believe that the ethical standards are higher in nz concerning animal protection than in parts of Asia. I saw videos on how they shave the sheep's in nz.
Coldness has a lot to do with adaptation until a certain point. In Siberia they are well adapted but even though still cold, it gets more and more swampy there.
Arent they not only sweet but practicable for people
https://rememberingletters.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/new-zealand-merino-rams.jpg
btw, nz also used to produce silk. But then the plastic revolution came in the seventies and eighties and it didnt pay off anymore to produce the silk. But truly, silk with wool is still the best what u can get. Its also debated, if silk could be used as a vector.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/waiheke-marketplace/7757811/Precious-silkworms-are-hungry
But it does not need silk actually, wool alone is already very good. There is ongoing debate of how much pain is inflicted when killing the worms. Myself I did kill flies and ants (but nothing more as I remember) so where is the difference with worms the question is not conclusively answerable.
I think you are at least trusting, maybe overly trusting, Alexandra.
Why didnt Dr. Robert C. Hsiung say it is great that you left that place but instead wrote that this is a part where I should return. Did he something mention of stigmatization, coercion, cyber bulling, privacy and property laws in his studies?
Did dr. hsiung ask those who participated in the past, when he placed buttons under the posts? I find there are serious conflicts of interests here
I has not come to my attention that there are drug reps, as you said.
Posted by ert on September 13, 2019, at 11:22:24
In reply to Dr. Bob alias Dr. Robert C. Hsiung -I have an idea, posted by ert on September 13, 2019, at 5:58:24
You know, Alex, Hsiung wrote that he understands that I want the control of my words. This is actually understanding. Maybe he didnt lie here because he possibly really understood that I wanted the control of my property but it is sarcastic, wicked and a misuse of power because he lied later on and in fact didnt let me the control over it.
> You could wear a pullover, Alex. The merino wool from nz is fairly expensive elsewhere. But in nz you probably have special discounts for wool, maybe. I believe that the ethical standards are higher in nz concerning animal protection than in parts of Asia. I saw videos on how they shave the sheep's in nz.
>
> Coldness has a lot to do with adaptation until a certain point. In Siberia they are well adapted but even though still cold, it gets more and more swampy there.
>
> Arent they not only sweet but practicable for people
>
> https://rememberingletters.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/new-zealand-merino-rams.jpg
>
> btw, nz also used to produce silk. But then the plastic revolution came in the seventies and eighties and it didnt pay off anymore to produce the silk. But truly, silk with wool is still the best what u can get. Its also debated, if silk could be used as a vector.
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/waiheke-marketplace/7757811/Precious-silkworms-are-hungry
>
> But it does not need silk actually, wool alone is already very good. There is ongoing debate of how much pain is inflicted when killing the worms. Myself I did kill flies and ants (but nothing more as I remember) so where is the difference with worms the question is not conclusively answerable.
>
> I think you are at least trusting, maybe overly trusting, Alexandra.
>
> Why didnt Dr. Robert C. Hsiung say it is great that you left that place but instead wrote that this is a part where I should return. Did he something mention of stigmatization, coercion, cyber bulling, privacy and property laws in his studies?
>
> Did dr. hsiung ask those who participated in the past, when he placed buttons under the posts? I find there are serious conflicts of interests here
>
> I has not come to my attention that there are drug reps, as you said.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 14, 2019, at 12:17:22
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Dr. Robert C. Hsiung -I have an idea, posted by ert on September 13, 2019, at 11:22:24
> You know, Alex, Hsiung wrote that he understands that I want the control of my words. This is actually understanding. Maybe he didnt lie here because he possibly really understood that I wanted the control of my property but it is sarcastic, wicked and a misuse of power because he lied later on and in fact didnt let me the control over it.
If you want control over your words and you understand that Bob won't let you control your words here... Then why do you keep posting, here?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you do keep posting, here. Keeping me company :) But I'm just trying to understand what's going on.
I have found stuff recently. Since I wrote my thesis about the UN and about how NZ hasn't been on board with the whole sustainable development goals and so on. More... Sensible seeming stuff. About our avatar. As an avatar. Also stuff about Google and Facebook. Helen Clark seems to have come back here, now. For a time, anyway. From her time working for the UN after serving as Prime Minister. She has been good with some of the things I have read that she has said. Peters seems to have vanished... He's being sent to talk to Trump, apparently. I wonder if he will come back...
Anyway, the Facebook thing... Apparently it is related to the terrorist thing in Christchurch. It was about Facebook taking responsibility for monitoring and responding to what people upload. So... International first responders. So... Defence contracted out. And there it is.
Recently my half sister was hospitalised for a time. Apparently she wrote a letter to the Queen where she sent a bunch of stuff and British Security contacted Police or whomever here that meant that she actually was hospitalised for a time in an attempt to help her.
This country really has been gutted in recent years. We don't have any kind of internal capability... Or something.
Anyway... My point is that it got me thinking and I realised that the security thing is probably a little more like immunisation than I was thinking it was.
I started to become suspicious about immunisation. Reading about the Tuskagee study of untreated Syphilis in Negroes and how people were intentionally infected to see what would happen. I started to become suspicious about different batches of vaccine being given to different communities and tests or trials of who knows what to who knows what degree or amount of foreseeable harm...
And I know that the whole 'anti vaccers' thing is... Advertised... Advertised... As being populated by a bunch of crazies...
But I also know that people are not honest about providing information about actual risks and rewards and the like...
And learning more about vaccinations... About how the live attenuated Polio vaccination isn't reccommended anymore because there was in fact discoverd to be a risk that the virus would revert to it's live form and produce the disease it was supposed to prevent... About how the live attenuated MMR vaccine is considered safe for people with HIV (so either low risk of reversion or, well, other things kill them first)... Reading about capsule vaccines... Then about immune response...
Anyway... The more I learn about it I was ALL the vaccines. ALL the vaccines for ALL the things. Well, not the live attenuated polio vaccine... But I marvel at the glory of the progress of science and medicine... And probably a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... But I guess my point is that it is a genuine shame that people aren't honest about the risks and rewards and so on. Because that would help... Help alleviate people's concerns.
We are having outbreaks of measles at the moment and people are wondering why people who have been vaccinated are getting sick...
Wooly jumpers are expensive overseas, but they are expensive here, too. Wool doesn't compare to the whipped plastic or whatever it is that is polar fleece. For insulation, I mean. Cheap cheap cheap with all those microbead plastics leeching into the waterways. I'm lucky I have a decent wool duvet which I like for the heft of it, a decent feather duvet which I like for holding the heat in but honestly even though I hate the thought of whipped plastic the snuggest thing of all is the polar fleece blanket.
But that doesn't change the fact that I'm breathing in cold air. The respiratory passages. Why it is that the body goes into hibernation mode. Everything feels numb. Cold. Shut down. It takes a lot of effort / energy to run ones body as a radiator. Trying to warm up the air with your lungs... The cold seeps in... It's more than cold, here, it's humidity, too. A damp cold. Mold in the cold prefers to be fungus balls of aspergillus... aspergilloma growing in the lungs.
Lung cancer is... Smoking is... Well... Smoking is maybe holding the aspergillous at bay a little?
There are probably other varieties of fungus, too. I wonder if pathologists have been characterising it... We know about histoplasmosis and coccidiodiodies and paracoccidiodiodies (spelling sucks but you get the idea) in the Americas... I wonder if someone has mapped regional fungus balls in New Zealand...
There's bound to be a longitudinal study...
Posted by alexandra_k on September 14, 2019, at 12:30:19
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Dr. Robert C. Hsiung -I have an idea » ert, posted by alexandra_k on September 14, 2019, at 12:17:22
sigh.
the point was about having a smartphone that is currently software supported. and about whose interests the fingerprint scanning face recognising iris scanning technology used for authentication was serving...
about whether it is a good idea to buy in... that is to say... to spend the money that is required to keep a phone that is software supported... or whether that is most likely to serve the interests of industry at my expense.
i mean... if industry is helping the people i don't mind. i don't mind paying for security if security is security for me and not security at my expense. given that my interests / intentions are not undermining of the legitimate interests and intentions of others...
anyway... my point...
is that i guess security is something of an arms race. people figure a way to exploit and then work needs to be done to patch up that so people can't exploit that. then people figure another way to exploit and that requires more work to be done...
and so we are supposed to pay money to keep secure systems. for the continued work. like how we pay online subscriptions for computer games when there are bug fixes patched in and additinoal content... to keep the employees employed working on the product.
and that seems fair.
but there is also a concern that people make work for themselves. that the people you pay for security are the people responsible for the exploits because they are making work for themselves. like if you had a security firm that paid thugs to go around shaking people up to drum up business for themselves. and i guess that is a concern about vaccinations for people too. and i guess that's why computer viruses are viruses...
but the point is that a smartphone that isn't software supported poses a security risk because someone else could use it for malicious intent. they could use my email address to send terrorist organisational emails or use my facebook account or whatever. so a vector. so having a non secure smartphone puts us all at risk. if that is the case then i feel i shuld maintain a secure smartphone if i have a smartphone at all.
i am required to have a smartphone. the tracking thing.
everyone is these days. especially here. the whole grid thing.
i'm sure the blankets are carcinogenic, at least. probably not smallpox... but i'm sure there will be some issue with the cheap whipped plastic blankets.
sigh.
i f*ck*ng hate it, here.
Posted by ert on September 17, 2019, at 5:44:51
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Dr. Robert C. Hsiung -I have an idea, posted by alexandra_k on September 14, 2019, at 12:30:19
You cannot leave here Alex. but you are completely right Alex, I could stop posting and end the activity so that I won't loose my job, risk to be prosecuted, life long stigmatized, bullied and exploited. You are actually too lovely that you write these talented postings for hsiung. some womans do have a masochistic penchant. they not only liked ted bundy.
The fungi like moisture and warmth. If you have them you must open the windows for some hours in the early mornings so that the moisture can dissipate. Your heater could increase fungi growth. If you have something else that has fungi then the salt water can help. You can put in salt water for some time and the fungi wont like that. Also sun rays is good. Fungi are actually fairly nasty species but also considered good or even haute cuisine when eaten.
Helen clark is the pre pre predecessor of this beautiful ardern lady with the protracted ears who was in charge during the shootings. More I do not know.
Overall, I think the vaccinations make sense. Even though those criticized who refuse to vaccinate, it is a fact that some people cannot afford some type of vaccinations. Some people refuse because of religious motives or ideology, however.
But it is true, vaccinations can have prolonged side effects like headache and so on.
The comfort of the wool also depends of how the wool is cut and stitched together and if its a young sheep and so forth. e.g. the rib knit has elastic properties. The used the rib knit in the fifties and sixties for swimsuits. The rib knit actually was some kind of a revolution and some wool companies expanded their business world wide.
some people cannot tolerate wool on their bare skin, I personally can.
But you cannot know a hundred percent about ethical treatment. The demand is fairly high and the mass production is maybe neglecting a sufficient accordance with animal welfare. nz is probably a bit better.
Posted by ert on September 17, 2019, at 6:12:32
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob alias Dr. Robert C. Hsiung -I have an idea, posted by ert on September 17, 2019, at 5:44:51
No alexandra. Conversely, older products are sometimes even more secure than newer ones. Your fingerprint and your retina could be saved on a chinese server in peking or in california. The power have those companies and the state. Furthermore you do not know if eg. the face recognition is secure a hundred percent against others than the producers (they could store the print somewhere) of the phone, whereas with a password the risk can be calculated better. The newest technology is not the most secure, however, it is the most expensive but it often consumes more battery time. For a long time, i only had a bar mobile but when the smartphones got faster the advantages paid off.
The new regulations like the gdpr make sense alexandra. It gives people some basic rights. Notably, only basic rights. I has long been criticized because of the extra effort that it needs. But overall it really makes sense.
But you could use telegram with your computer and phone (to receive the code) ?
,but the point is that a smartphone that isn't software supported poses a security risk because someone else could use it for malicious intent. they could use my email address to send terrorist organisational emails or use my facebook account or whatever. so a vector. so having a non secure smartphone puts us all at risk. if that is the case then i feel i shuld maintain a secure smartphone if i have a smartphone at all. ,
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