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Posted by sigismund on November 13, 2018, at 11:10:14
In reply to Re: ..., posted by rjlockhart37 on November 13, 2018, at 0:52:33
OTOH, as we have seen, it would take nothing to do this.
Posted by ert on November 13, 2018, at 11:11:13
In reply to Re: ..., posted by rjlockhart37 on November 13, 2018, at 0:52:33
I wrote, I would feel happy and calmer if he could delete these terms but then nothing happened. It could be argued if this is only research or something more.
Other hosts of websites adapted promptly to new privacy law regulations but dr bob obviously does not feel the urge to do that. Even though dr. bob hosts not only trivial content but sensitive profiles, it seems that dr. bob rather would avoid it.
Does he really fulfill the requirements of the National Research Act and subsequent laws by this conduct (?).
Posted by ert on November 13, 2018, at 11:50:15
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience » alexandra_k, posted by sigismund on November 13, 2018, at 10:11:01
I have no idea about the credibility of that article in that dr. bob describes his experience with lamictal.
Obviously the host of this website must know a lot of drugs.
It is positive that he did something. Very good
But appropriate actions must be discussed, considered and taken.
Posted by ert on November 13, 2018, at 13:13:56
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience » alexandra, posted by ert on November 13, 2018, at 11:50:15
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> Obviously the host of this website must know a lot of drugs.
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> It is positive that he did something. Very good
>better expressed, obviously the host of this website must know a lot ABOUT and OF drugs.
i think that's positive for patients who cannot live without a drug.
Posted by alexandra_k on November 13, 2018, at 19:41:09
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience » alexandra, posted by ert on November 13, 2018, at 11:50:15
> dr. bob describes his experience with lamictal.
where does he do this?
Posted by ert on November 14, 2018, at 7:19:57
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience, posted by alexandra_k on November 13, 2018, at 19:41:09
His name is mentioned in the article, Alexandra. However, it does not mean that it is true or accurate what is written there.
On researchgate.net Robert C. Hsiung refers to the University of Chicago, MacLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics as an Associate, with the expertise of Stigma among other skills. But he does not grant the vulnerable participants a lawful treatment such as the fulfillment of their will, the deletion of their property and sensitive public profile for protection and to be forgotten?
Copyright act
The EU right to forgotten Article 17 of the GDPR
Copyright law of the European Union
HIPAA and state privacy laws
National Research Act
Not exhaustive list
Posted by ert on November 15, 2018, at 2:06:37
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience, posted by ert on November 14, 2018, at 7:19:57
The privacy regulations are an ongoing reform. There is an old privacy act in the us.
youre affected in your daily life, so I got interested.Donald trump started an offensive for a new privacy act and tim cook pushed for such an act.
Hsiung violates continental Europe law. That is for sure. When he started this website, he was most likely not up to date with all the regulations, articles and especially international law.
but he must adapt.
Posted by ert on November 16, 2018, at 17:10:29
In reply to Re: article about dr. bob's experience, posted by ert on November 15, 2018, at 2:06:37
I do not know what is up with Dr. Robert C. Hsiung, but he is indeed and for 100% sure a LIAR AND A THIEF.
Posted by SLS on November 16, 2018, at 17:40:11
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 16, 2018, at 17:10:29
> I do not know what is up with Dr. Robert C. Hsiung, but he is indeed and for 100% sure a LIAR AND A THIEF.
Why do you say this?
He surely has his weaknesses, but in what ways is he a liar and a thief?
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 0:19:40
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.. » ert, posted by SLS on November 16, 2018, at 17:40:11
Theoretically he could be dead, but I assume that this is not the case. if that were the case, I would apologize.
Dr. Robert C. Hsiung lied that something will be deleted in a couple weeks but has disrespectfully never effectuated the request. Very likely he never effectuated other requests from an indefinite number of participants.
If you send me your e-mail per babble mail, I will gladly send you some articles of the law that he violates. He not only violates US law but international law too.
Since that database and research project (that data has been used for studies) has been built up and grown by a infringing illegal policy that violates personal, property and privacy rights as well as other rights, I suggest that the database must be transferred, cleansed or be taken down.
Obviously, "Dr.Bob" also lack sincerity and seriousness to run such a project.
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 1:27:25
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 0:19:40
I do no claim that I have always been perfect myself. But in daily life things can be sorted out face to face or with an intermediary. But in this case, only one single man with doubtful morals is in full control of the property owned by over 25000 participants.
Do not harm... Hsiung obviously does not practice what he preaches.
Dr. Robert C. Hsiung stated owned and operated by dr. bob. But that is not true. Truly, the content of the database is the property of the participants.
He not only has demographical profiles with sensitive data, but in addition he also possesses the IPs of the participants and claims the ownership (by not granting revocation of their permits) of their property. This is very intrusive.
It could be opened chat rooms on telegram. Hsiung still could block or appoint someone for that but he wont own the property of the participants anymore.
Posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 10:02:14
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 1:27:25
You make good points. I understand the concept of the right to be forgotten. However, calling Dr. Hsiung a liar and a thief is dafamatory. He is, at worst, neglectful. As far as I know, if you are a resident of the United States, the doctor is not obligated to accede to your requests to delete posts.
I doubt that Dr. Hsiung has the resources to modernize the programming used for this website. It is based on an old and simple script.
There is a consent page when you register here, and a quiz you must pass to make sure you understand some of the workings of the website. The consent page provides a link to the FAQ page. Unfortunately, you are not required to read it in order to register. However, it clearly explains that it is Dr. Hsiung's policy to not delete posts. I guess that this wouldn't really matter too much if it didn't comply with Internet regulations.
As you have revealed, there is some question as to the health status of Dr. Hsiung. He obviously no longer manages Psycho-Babble to the extent he did in the past. He seems to neglect much of its operation now. I'm not entirely sure why. However, he did extend himself to migrate Psycho-Babble to another server last year. He did not have to do that. It was a lot of work. I think he did this as a service to the community of people suffering with mental health issues. In my dealings with the doctor, I have seen benevolence rather than malevolence.
Perhaps he isn't the liar and thief that you say he is.
There are still some forums on the Internet that don't offer the ability to delete one's own posts - not many, though.
Perhaps you can force the closing of Psycho-Babble. Would you like to see this happen? For me, this would be a tragedy.
I don't dismiss your complaints. What exactly have you done in order to have your posts deleted? How many of them do you want deleted?
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 12:50:37
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.. » ert, posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 10:02:14
... you protect dr. Bob. Also nothing is known about his physical and psychological status. where is dr. bob ?, maybe as a deputy with responsibility you could know that ?
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 13:40:15
In reply to Re: I can understand that ... » SLS, posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 12:50:37
SLS, please send me your e-mail address per babble mail, then I can tell you.
Posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 13:55:49
In reply to Re: I can understand that ... » SLS, posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 12:50:37
> ... you protect dr. Bob.
I definitely do.
> Also nothing is known about his physical and psychological status.
I'm glad you said that. I don't think we should speculate on his condition.
> where is dr. bob ?
I don't know.
> maybe as a deputy with responsibility you could know that ?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#current
I have no responsibility here but to remain civil in my posts.
Thanks for answering my questions.
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 14:05:18
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.. » ert, posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 10:02:14
'However, calling Dr. Hsiung a liar and a thief is dafamatory.
for you it may sound somewhat offensive. I can understand this.
btw, for the US he must of course delete posts, not ideas but essays and expressions.
for other than the us he must actually delete everything.
I know very well if he is a thief and a liar.
You have not yet sent your e-mail per babble mail to me.
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 14:22:41
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 14:05:18
> 'However, calling Dr. Hsiung a liar and a thief is dafamatory.
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> for you it may sound somewhat offensive. I can understand this.
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> btw, for the US he must of course delete posts, not ideas but essays and expressions.
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> for other than the us he must actually delete everything.
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> I know very well if he is a thief and a liar.
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> You have not yet sent your e-mail per babble mail to me.It also depends what you understand of deleting posts. two ways are possible (1) select all text and delete it. then there is a void blank post. (2) delete a post by deleting and changing the index of the posts in a thread. e.g. you have five posts:
1
2
3
4
5deleting 4 would result in
1
2
3
5with a script u could simply change into
1
2
3
4so that is numerically right.
I am fairly sure that both is possible.
you have not send your e-mail yet.
Posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 14:59:29
In reply to Re: I can understand that... to sls, posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 14:22:41
> you have not send your e-mail yet.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 15:03:54
In reply to Re: I can understand that ... » ert, posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 13:55:49
so u do not want to send me your e-mail.
I think also medical doctors and in that case "a brilliant and reticent Web mastermind" like Dr. Bob should abide by the laws.
There should not be an exception for Dr. Robert C. Hsiung.
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 15:09:19
In reply to Re: I can understand that ... to sls, posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 15:03:54
> so u do not want to send me your e-mail.
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> I think also medical doctors and in that case "a brilliant and reticent Web mastermind" like Dr. Bob should abide by the laws.
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> There should not be an exception for Dr. Robert C. Hsiung.
what does :-) mean in that context ?obviously you do not want or cannot send me your e-mail.
so i somewhat tired now. bye.
Posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 15:40:22
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 14:05:18
> > 'However, calling Dr. Hsiung a liar and a thief is dafamatory.
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> for you it may sound somewhat offensive. I can understand this.I find it very offensive. I think you would have a hard time proving that it is not also defamatory. I'm not sure, though.
When he was active here, Dr. Hsiung was often the person that others loved to hate. These people were driven to vitriol. I don't know why. To my knowledge, you are the first person to protest the inability to delete one's own posts. That would be a nice feature, but my guess is that this website's programming does not allow for this.
How many of your posts would you like to see deleted?
- Scott
Posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 23:56:12
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.. » ert, posted by SLS on November 17, 2018, at 15:40:22
Some people obviously got depended on that non compliant website.
My suggestions are
at best a full power concede to several morally non corrupt, lawful compliant and independent persons. Such as e.g. an institution
or a take down and a cleansing of the archive, followed by a replacement with telegram.
It is very easy to prove that Dr. Robert C. Hsiung is a liar and a thief but you do not want send me your e-mail address so that I can prove it.
Posted by ert on November 18, 2018, at 0:19:27
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 17, 2018, at 23:56:12
it must be made links to the chat rooms on this url or another website (with tags such as drugs names like "nardil", "celexa" and so on) so that people will find it.
I assume that it would be possible to make a script based on javascript and perl to delete posts. However the ruler isn't here anymore, don't want to care about and maybe his brain already got too slow to be able to code and make scripts.
you do a good job here SLS, you would deserve some money and not dr. bob as Alexandra K suggested.
Posted by ert on November 18, 2018, at 0:31:12
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 18, 2018, at 0:19:27
I suppose that no post got deleted since the year 1998, even though the faqs suggest that posts could be deleted by deputies,
The deputies likely can only block.
you could send me your e-mail address so that I can prove my claims.
Posted by ert on November 18, 2018, at 3:06:15
In reply to Re: Dr. Robert C. Hsiung - is a liar and a thief.., posted by ert on November 18, 2018, at 0:31:12
Dr Robert C. Hsiung most likely deliberately infringed the copyrights of many suffering people, therefore literally stole it.
I do not know if he could delete posts but likely he can. Blank it he could anyway. But he is not even willing to thoroughly delete identifying terms. Whereas he liked to boast in the nytimes article about the number of posts and participants, he would not let the participants to fulfill their wishes on the other hand and give it back to them when they want. Rather he prefers to lie.
The data collection for his studies was not ethically approved and the consequences as well as effects of those younger people referred and left data not discussed and not considered in the longer term. Also with this small sample it cannot be extrapolated for the thousand of participants and millions of spectators. Negative effects other than medication not discussed but partly mentioned in the faqs.
Moreover, no intention to adapt to juridically changed circumstances is discernible.
It seems obvious for me that the ruler acts mainly for his interests, whereas those of the participants had been neglected.Put aside those negative accounts it must be said that he did something and it started in the year 1998, at a time when the globalization per computers and smartphones of the internet just had begun.
I hope that your nardil works but it's a fact that for some people an improvement or the ability to approve is a success but they won't ever be cured and leave a such a place.
but it can also be hypothesized that they don't get cured because they don't leave.
But I think it is a good idea to further on try it.
dr. bob did not like that I left, greeted me with superficial politeness and wrote that the disease and suffering is inherently bound to me.
Corrective actions must be taken.
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