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Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 2:40:23
(1)Clear the searchable online archives every 5 (or so ) year (so that it is also compliant with EU law and the copyright act)
(2)Appoint someone else independent e.g. from the student counseling of Chicago for a reliable delete (they could run it completely or e.g. in turn take over half of the running costs)
(2)Take it down and start it new with modern software like https://www.phpbb.com/
(3) thorough cleansing of the archives and move to the ncbi
(4) Take it down for everThe psycho babble is not compliant with too many laws, did not adapt and poses too many risks.
There is a list from rjlockhart37, fading away with alternatives more compliant:
www.psychforums.com
bluelight.ru
addforums.com
from www.socialanxietysupport.com
www.takethislife.com
www.msworld.org
www.healthboards.com
www.crazyboards.org
neurotalk.psychcentral.com
www.mdjunction.com
treato.com
www.depressionforums.org
moodtracker.com
www.anxietyconnect.com
www.mombu.com
depressionforums.org
www.drugs-forum.com
www.benzobuddies.org
www.steadyhealth.com
www.takethislife.com
www.crazymeds.us
neurotalk.psychcentral.com
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 3:09:40
In reply to psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 2:40:23
> (1)Clear the searchable online archives every 5 (or so ) year (so that it is also compliant with EU law and the copyright act)
> (2)Appoint someone else independent e.g. from the student counseling of Chicago for a reliable delete (they could run it completely or e.g. in turn take over half of the running costs)
> (2)Take it down and start it new with modern software like https://www.phpbb.com/
> (3) thorough cleansing of the archives and move to the ncbi
> (4) Take it down for ever
>
> The psycho babble is not compliant with too many laws, did not adapt and poses too many risks.
>
> There is a list from rjlockhart37, fading away with alternatives more compliant:
>
> www.psychforums.com
> bluelight.ru
> addforums.com
> from www.socialanxietysupport.com
> www.takethislife.com
> www.msworld.org
> www.healthboards.com
> www.crazyboards.org
> neurotalk.psychcentral.com
> www.mdjunction.com
> treato.com
> www.depressionforums.org
> moodtracker.com
> www.anxietyconnect.com
> www.mombu.com
> depressionforums.org
> www.drugs-forum.com
> www.benzobuddies.org
> www.steadyhealth.com
> www.takethislife.com
> www.crazymeds.us
> neurotalk.psychcentral.com
>example of phpbb
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 4:32:27
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 3:09:40
on telegram there can be opened boards that can take up 100000 users. every user can delete her/his posts. it also is encrypted.
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 4:37:50
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 4:32:27
> on telegram there can be opened boards that can take up 100000 users. every user can delete her/his posts. it also is encrypted.
>
> https://telegram.org/blog/admin-revolutionsomeone could open a psycho-babble supergroup...
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 5:01:36
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 4:37:50
> > on telegram there can be opened boards that can take up 100000 users. every user can delete her/his posts. it also is encrypted.
> >
> > https://telegram.org/blog/admin-revolution
>
> someone could open a psycho-babble supergroup...
>
>no one sees the phone number. also the data can be exported https://telegram.org/blog/export-and-more
i already used this only for a short time but it worked well.
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 6:15:29
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 5:01:36
> > > on telegram there can be opened boards that can take up 100000 users. every user can delete her/his posts. it also is encrypted.
> > >
> > > https://telegram.org/blog/admin-revolution
> >
> > someone could open a psycho-babble supergroup...
> >
> >
>
> no one sees the phone number. also the data can be exported https://telegram.org/blog/export-and-more
>
> i already used this only for a short time but it worked well.
>it must then be opened e.g. two groups like psycho-social and psycho-meds. but that is actually an advantage because the messages between those groups would no more be linked together to a user profile. public personality profiles are forbidden in many countries.
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 11:57:06
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 6:15:29
the whole chat can be exported with telegram. therefore everyone could make offline backups. but if someone abstains for more than 1 year, the messages will be automatically deleted.
i like that idea.
Posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 13:47:27
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 11:57:06
I just tested the telegram export function.
for 412'000 messages only text (without videos, images) from the beginning of the year 2016 until now it took 15 minutes. it generated 412 html files in these you can (week) wise click through. with adobe acrobat dc these htmls also could be merged together (combine files into a single pdf) in one pdf an then searched through.
i actually used the messengers to stay in contact with some loved ones, but the other features are also interesting.
Posted by ert on October 28, 2018, at 8:33:07
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 13:47:27
i am not so sure if he got stuck somewhere near the congo river in africa. so far, nothing happened. that's the e-mails i received in response to my request:
"But people who cut themselves off from the past can want to return to it later.
Which makes sense, it's a part of them, and cutting it off is a loss.I should be able to get to these in a
couple weeks.I'm confident we can work out a compromise that's mutually acceptable."
Posted by ert on October 28, 2018, at 8:43:52
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 28, 2018, at 8:33:07
> i am not so sure if he got stuck somewhere near the congo river in africa. so far, nothing happened. that's the e-mails i received in response to my request:
>
> "But people who cut themselves off from the past can want to return to it later.
> Which makes sense, it's a part of them, and cutting it off is a loss.
>
> I should be able to get to these in a
> couple weeks.
>
> I'm confident we can work out a compromise that's mutually acceptable."for me not want to cut off is absolutely not the case. the contrary, it is not a loss. i got very upset when I coincidentally came back. some few people never leave but i think almost all who can leave will be happy. it should not be acted against somebodies will and not captivated for someones purpose.
Posted by ert on October 28, 2018, at 13:06:10
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 28, 2018, at 8:43:52
dr. bob: "But people who cut themselves off from the past can want to return to it later.
Which makes sense, it's a part of them, and cutting it off is a loss."how can you say this somebody who fought and came over a depression, who got traumatized or someone who is in a new and hopefully better part of life ???
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 3:48:09
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 13:47:27
How do you feel about book burning, Ert?
Do you think authors should be able to vanish early works, if they want, because they want to distance themself from them later?
People sometimes publish under psuedonyms. Especially when they were starting out.
Stephen King was a English Literature academic, I think, from memory. He published The Running Man and maybe others under a pseudodym because he didn't want respectable people (or whatever) knowing he was interested in such... Popularist writing.
But however many years later... And it is a *feature* rather than a vice that this, that, or the other University had the esteemed literary author Dr Stephen King on faculty...
And when you are tempted to think he's all gimmick and there isn't... Anyone there... There are such gems as his early works to return to. Before the people got to him and morphed him into... Something else...
I don't know why people get so determined to have this site torn down when there are heaps of other sites whose policies they seem to like better.
It's strange, people...
Like how Dr Bob seemed to understand Lou at least a little bit. Able to help Lou, at least a little bit. But posters simply refused to allow Lou to be... To allow Lou to be here (where Lou basically needed to be) and instead seemed determined to wreck this place for Lou so they could have it (when they, themselves, could have flourished / thrived equally in so very many places).
People are funny strange.
They way they liked to gang up on, too. People really would do that. Wind themselves up into a 'he started it' and 'we were just defending ourselves' but really it was about picking someone... Picking on someone. Someone who they thought they could.
The large group dynamic was not nice.
There were things about here that worked. That were theraputic. There is much that can be learned from here.
Not just personal reminiscence. But sometimes I find it helpful to return to things later...
For example, I've been discovering lately how there is thought to be an evolution or development in disability rights context with respect to moving from 'there's something wrong with me' to 'there's something wrong with the lack of power I have to obtain the things I need'.
Revisiting the worst times for me... And not seeing them as something screwy about me... Seeing the lack of power I had to obtain what I knew I needed.
I know now that there are people who really get their jollies from the oppression of others. I know now that there are people who think that if you can see a way to get one up over on someone else then you would be a fool for not exploiting them / taking them for everything you can get.
That's what's wrong with me.
Surrounded.
Yeah.
I don't understand why you are so determined to get here torn down...
I guess it's like hiring the people they do to work public health (to inform the public). Hiring the people they do to protect consumer interest (easiest country in teh world in which to do business! Even the consumer protection people managed to start their very own business!)
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 3:57:23
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 3:48:09
and then of course the question arises:
how is co-operation possible, at all, in the face of such psychopathy??
and the answer is supposed to be:
it is in the ideology and naievety of the young.
that you can give them these idea/ls:
the idea/l that if they start from the bottom (rattling a tin for the board of directors) then they'll actually have the chance to work their way up to being on the board of directors, one day!
the idea/l that if they suck up to this person for a year then next year they'll get to have one up on / over them!
the idea/l that if they keep their head down and work hard then that will be rewarded (and the opportunity to demonstrate that working for no pay is an invaluable opportunity for them)
and so on...
all the lies we tell people so they will do what we want them to do with their happy face on...
until they realise that actually no, they were being taken for fools! hahahaaha, more fool them! now they will see they have to join us!
or maybe you make them / wait for them to have babies first. then it can all be about whether they want to raise their babies on the hills where their sh*t can roll down to the slums or whether they want to raise their babies in the slums, after all.
people seem to *want* the world to be this way.
maybe because the choices they made relied on it being that way.
maybe because *that* (both versions) were the stories they were sold... the ideology they were sold...
it wouldn't be so bad but the people then get all evangelical about that having to be the case for EVERYONE.
yes, that's right, they must continue to have power over me.
yawn.
but who will help them if they get sick?
?
they don't want to live, particularly. i get it. trouble is... some people kinda do. often the ones they target most especially. the whole upside down and back to front thing they got going on. only treat the involuntary and so on...
my friend actually seems to think that she can buy healthcare.
ok.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 3:59:25
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by alexandra_k on October 29, 2018, at 3:57:23
i mean, she can *pay* for healthcare. i get that. really, i do.
Posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 13:38:09
In reply to psycho's future, posted by ert on October 27, 2018, at 2:40:23
I do not like book burning Alexandra and you seem to have talents almost like Stephen King, but you could download or print out your posts or download the whole archive with https://www.cyotek.com/cyotek-webcopy.
i like your posts somehow. when you dont possess enough bandwidth go to a University use wlan or ask for use of Ethernet.
With telegram you can even call someone without giving (or let them see) your phone number unless you add the user on your personal contact list. Or u can privat chat. You can also download your personal posts or the posts of the whole chat. The posts are deletable and editable. By default, the messages will get self-destructed when a half a year of inactivity is reached.
you could write the next plot for peter jackson and his potentially planned new film with your talents...
Posted by ert on October 31, 2018, at 13:44:46
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 29, 2018, at 13:38:09
The problem is that a telegram group could not be found so easily like a website. But that thing could be circumvented by making an announcement and a link to the channels.
I can understand that you like the old software, Alexandra. You also can find a lot of things that you cannot find elsewhere in the database. But exactly that is more and more a problem, nowadays. It is a scale between privacy of the individuals, general public interest and personal curiosity. The scale and therefore the laws tip more and more towards protection of the individuals and privacy. IMO that is a good way and the regulations dragged on. The individuals risk to get harmed more and more without protection.
It is also politically a difficult trade off. How do you fight terrorists considered by the fact that they can use encryption, but at the same time allow the common individuals to use those means in a world where there is less and less privacy and risks to get harmed. I would say that trump is right, when he says that this problem can also be regulated by a stricter vetting of risk groups. I think that a population or subpopulation like a country has the right to do so and consider this a legitimate.In Europe also the copyright rules are going to be reformed. But I find it ok, because individuals e.g. like artists deserve more protection against big businesses like Google and youtube profiting too much at the end.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 31, 2018, at 18:21:00
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by ert on October 31, 2018, at 13:44:46
the internet was initially a military thing. security was at the heart of it. sending secure signals over distance.
today...
it has become more about the masses providing masses of information. the masses have little security on the internet, i mean to say.
i don't understand why you would think that 'newer' or 'more modern' things would be more likely to provide the average user with a higher degree of privacy or of security.
You keep saying that this or that application *promises* to remove your information (to not disclose it to 3rd parties before it does so) and all of that... What I don't see is any earthly reason why you would take them on their word.
Posted by ert on November 1, 2018, at 0:16:18
In reply to Re: psycho's future, posted by alexandra_k on October 31, 2018, at 18:21:00
From 1st parties, therefore the whole world who uses internet, telegram guarantees a hundred percent protection. Because you can delete and edit your posts and when someone abstains or dies it will be automatically deleted. It actually also fulfills EU standards.
Of course you are still not protected against the fact that it can be downloaded for offline usage by the participants.
It is however not absolutely clear, if telegram provides a hundred percent protection from 3rd parties. Pavel Durov (https://youtu.be/kVZN9QbtFgs) could theoretically possess a master key by that giving access to some customers for all data on the servers.
However, it had been told that Putin wanted to take down telegram and that maybe can suggest that his numerous hackers were not able to break telegrams cryptographic infrastructure.For me personally, 1st party protection is more important. It is the same like facebook. People can delete their posts, but they do not mind so much if facebook sells the data hopefully anonymized to 3rd parties. If facebook users minded about giving 3rd parties access, most users would no more participate.
Psycho-babble however provides almost zero protection against 1s parties. After my request, Dr. bob deleted some very few location identifiers and redacted one sentence. I wanted to see some posts deleted, approx. 10-20%, and several phrases redacted.
It seems for me that some people stick to that old interface and the archive. Presumably some folks got depended on it. But that not only can be considered as a positive thing. I assume that it makes addicted and Dr. Robert C. Hsiung is not at all interested that someone gets cured and
Why should a participant be coerced, be acted against the will and be captivated for Dr. Robert C. Hsiung purpose?In Hsiungs e-mails responses you can easily discern that his is not at all interested that anyone can and will leave that place by abstaining or deleting. In fact, there was no mutuality but truly was acted only for his interests. For the right holders and participants the contrary should be the case
Could you trust someone who lies and gives false promises?
Hsiungs response:
"But people who cut themselves off from the past can want to return to it later.
Which makes sense, it's a part of them, and cutting it off is a loss.
I should be able to get to these in a
couple weeks.
I'm confident we can work out a compromise that's mutually acceptable."
This is the end of the thread.
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