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Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 23:08:29
In reply to Re: what is up with the bird? » Phillipa, posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2014, at 13:30:06
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 23:08:30
In reply to youre the cuckoo you middle aged slut (nm) » alexandra_k, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 14:10:00
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 23:08:30
In reply to why do you think they call it asspergers? (nm), posted by HomelyCygnet on January 5, 2014, at 14:11:50
my heart's not really in this but I was always game to help bob with his experiments at least at first. it's just silly
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 0:23:03
In reply to Re: sentiments of anti-psychiatry, posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2014, at 13:48:01
Bob the quote you attributed to me is not mine. I was quoting Larry Hoover. Please make sure you give credit to the proper author when you use another's words . It's important to be honest. Thank you
> > Truly, sincerely, there is no better example of what civility actually is, than to protect individuals from the throwing of sh*t upon them.
> >
> > HomelyCygnet
>
> My view is that civility is to choose one or more of:
>
> > > 1. not sling it back
> > > 2. shield themselves
> > > 3. help others shield themselves
> > > 4. notify me if they think I should respond
> > > 5. express how they feel
> > > 6. reflect on times they've slung it themselves, or wanted to
> > > 7. support the slinger
>
> Both #3 and #4 could be considered ways of protecting others. For example:
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> > I agree with the content of Twinleaf's post. I also feel it was expressed in a reasonably respectful manner. I strongly disagree with your blocking her.
> >
> > emme
>
> Thanks for expressing how you feel (#5) and doing it in a civil way (#1).
>
> --
>
> > > Every day, people forgo treatment for reasons that don't have anything to do with Lou. How might they be influenced to undergo treatment instead?
> >
> > how try to convince them to not believe all they read half of what they see.
> >
> > Phillipa
>
> > Hmm. Well, looking for a positive and constructive posture to take is a start. I'm going to try something new. We'll see.
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Great, then we'll both be trying something new. :-)
>
> Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2014, at 0:27:15
In reply to Re: sentiments of proper attribution » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 0:23:03
> Bob the quote you attributed to me is not mine. I was quoting Larry Hoover. Please make sure you give credit to the proper author when you use another's words . It's important to be honest. Thank you
Ah, I see now, you gave him credit, though you didn't use quotation marks. I wasn't reading carefully enough.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2014, at 0:44:02
In reply to Re: Ducks babble in the wide world » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 4, 2014, at 12:16:47
> Bob I only feel like a homely cygnet when I am swimming in the kiddie pool with the cygnets. If I babble like a duck I get blocked ;) I'm just an average adorable duck in the Big Wide World not a homely cygnet.
OK, in the outside world you're adorable.
I guess according to the story, you'd feel like a homely duck when you swim with ducks. Maybe because they block you from babbling. But you're not really a duck at all, you're a cygnet, "the most beautiful bird of all".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_Duckling
Having suffered the abuse he did, it's understandable how he could grow up to be Ahab the Cygnet.
> I prefer being blocked rather than just avoiding the site because being blocked is a repudiation of the Babble values and a way of supporting the people who are mistreated here symbolically at least.
> Civil disobedience? ... Not having the pressure of feeling an urge to defend Lou and others from the haters and really not being able to do anything effective? Not being a member vs not being an posting member? The fun of manipulating the Grand Manipulator? ... All of the above?
OK, you have lots of reasons.
One of Gandhi's rules for civil resisters was to refrain from swearing and insults, but there have been debates as to whether civil disobedience must necessarily be non-violent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
I understand wanting to support Lou. What makes you think trying to hasn't been effective?
Not that being blocked is like being killed, or that everyone else here is a beautiful bird, but this struck me:
> > The ugly duckling, now having fully grown and matured cannot endure a life of solitude and hardship any more and decides to throw himself at the flock of swans deciding that it is better to be killed by such beautiful birds than to live a life of ugliness and misery.
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> Wouldn't it have been less distressing for everyone just to give me the block I asked for?
>
> we both want the same thing! LOLMaybe both of you would feel more comfortable if I did. Then this would be an opportunity for both of you to step outside your comfort zones.
Bob
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:00:24
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Cygnet discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2014, at 0:44:02
Bob you are way out of line.
You are not my therapist.
Your questions and interpretations are not welcome.
Your scenarios and literary allusions are not appropriate .
Your snippets of quotations out of context and removing posts from their original context is confusing and misleading.
Your questions to posters, your varying posting policies and blocking procedures both with individual posters and among different members of the group constitute an experiment. I have never consented to this.
I do not consent to any of my words being used by you in any fashion including papers, case studies , books, presentations, lectures or any thing else. I do not believe the consent at registration is legal or valid.
I do not consent to your use of any information you may have obtained about my use of your site including number of visits, boards visited, locations posted from or anything else.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:27:00
In reply to No Way Bob Cease and Desist » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:00:24
I was just trying to get my block started. You know how that is.
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 8:44:41
In reply to No Way Bob Cease and Desist » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:00:24
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
[Please don't .... disclose without permission information (including previous posting names) that identifies or private communications from another poster,]Bob do not disclose my previous posting names or allude to or quote material that would identify them either on the board or in any publications or presentations or communications of any kind as disallowed by the quote above from your posting guidelines. Thanks
> Bob you are way out of line.
>
> You are not my therapist.
>
> Your questions and interpretations are not welcome.
>
> Your scenarios and literary allusions are not appropriate .
>
> Your snippets of quotations out of context and removing posts from their original context is confusing and misleading.
>
> Your questions to posters, your varying posting policies and blocking procedures both with individual posters and among different members of the group constitute an experiment. I have never consented to this.
>
> I do not consent to any of my words being used by you in any fashion including papers, case studies , books, presentations, lectures or any thing else. I do not believe the consent at registration is legal or valid.
>
> I do not consent to your use of any information you may have obtained about my use of your site including number of visits, boards visited, locations posted from or anything else.
Posted by SLS on January 6, 2014, at 19:35:49
In reply to I apologise to all the deputy gals and alex, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:27:00
> I was just trying to get my block started. You know how that is.
I don't. Perhaps your target audience does.
I thought your feverish posting of vulgarities was indicative of a "meltdown". I was concerned. I'm glad that you have decided to change your tack.
Although I have not liked your treatment of me in the past, I still care for your health and quality of life.
- Scott
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 23:04:36
In reply to I apologise to all the deputy gals and alex, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:27:00
Please don't throw me in the Briar Patch!!!!!!
You're such a lovely audience we couldn't do it without you!!!!!
Give yourselves a round of applause!!!!!!!!
Bye
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2014, at 23:18:43
In reply to I apologise to all the deputy gals and alex, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:27:00
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2014, at 23:27:19
In reply to No Way Bob Cease and Desist » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 2:00:24
> Cease and Desist
Sorry, I went too far. Best wishes,
Bob
PS: I hope it's not going too far again simply to say that I noticed your signature:
> Duckling I listen and for many a time I have been half in love and many a time much more
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 23:36:31
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Cygnet discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2014, at 23:27:19
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2014, at 16:33:12
In reply to thanks (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by HomelyCygnet on January 6, 2014, at 23:36:31
Posted by HomelyCygnet on January 19, 2014, at 9:19:14
In reply to Re: My Block In November, posted by Dr. Bob on January 17, 2014, at 1:56:11
treated like a little girlie? Seems like selective enforcement to me. And kind of insulting to SLS's manhood (if any)
Please be more sensitive in the future.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2014, at 9:20:39
In reply to Re: My Block In November, posted by Dr. Bob on January 17, 2014, at 1:56:11
> > > Scott is my favorite Babbler.............to ignore.
> >
> > It seems I was well within the guidelines, even to the point of encouraging others to ignore posts/posters they don't like, which the policy states as a good thing.
> >
> > Being blocked is no biggie, personally, but I think Bob owes me an apology.
>
> I'm sorry you got blocked. I did it because I thought your post could've led Scott to feel accused or put down. OTOH, something like:
>
> > > Ignore posts/posters you don't like.
>
> Would've been fine, and conveyed the same advice.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote here that it would be fine to post that members ignore posts or posters that they don't like. And that is different from that Ronnjee posted in that Ronnjee posted about a specific member that he/she is ignoring. You say that the specific member could feel put down when they read Ronjee's post, so that the post should be sanctioned so that the target person would be relieved to see that you do not validate what could lead the target person to feel put down.
But there is much more to this that I see from Ronnjee's post here to you.
There are several issues in Ronjee's post to you that I consider to have great merit to be brought up to you.
But first, let us look at this post:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130706/msgs/1047012.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2014, at 9:20:40
In reply to Lou's response-pstygg » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 17, 2014, at 4:17:05
> > > > Scott is my favorite Babbler.............to ignore.
> > >
> > > It seems I was well within the guidelines, even to the point of encouraging others to ignore posts/posters they don't like, which the policy states as a good thing.
> > >
> > > Being blocked is no biggie, personally, but I think Bob owes me an apology.
> >
> > I'm sorry you got blocked. I did it because I thought your post could've led Scott to feel accused or put down. OTOH, something like:
> >
> > > > Ignore posts/posters you don't like.
> >
> > Would've been fine, and conveyed the same advice.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote here that it would be fine to post that members ignore posts or posters that they don't like. And that is different from that Ronnjee posted in that Ronnjee posted about a specific member that he/she is ignoring. You say that the specific member could feel put down when they read Ronjee's post, so that the post should be sanctioned so that the target person would be relieved to see that you do not validate what could lead the target person to feel put down.
> But there is much more to this that I see from Ronnjee's post here to you.
> There are several issues in Ronjee's post to you that I consider to have great merit to be brought up to you.
> But first, let us look at this post:
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130706/msgs/1047012.htmlMr. Hsiung,
Now let us include this next post.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1030409.html
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2014, at 10:17:11
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2014, at 9:20:40
?
I'm watching a very sad affair from the cheap seats...
I am amused and perplexed at the same time.
Total denial.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on January 19, 2014, at 20:31:56
In reply to Are we having fun yet? :-) LOL » Haters, posted by SLS on January 19, 2014, at 10:17:11
I know me too. PJ
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2014, at 23:40:34
In reply to Are we having fun yet? :-) LOL » Haters, posted by SLS on January 19, 2014, at 10:17:11
> I'm watching a very sad affair from the cheap seats...
How does that compare with being in the ring? :-)
Bob
Posted by SLS on January 20, 2014, at 8:50:32
In reply to Re: watching, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2014, at 23:40:34
> > I'm watching a very sad affair from the cheap seats...
>
> How does that compare with being in the ring? :-)
>
> BobIt is certainly less consuming of emotional energy. Also, I feel safe enough to be able to allow others to viciously deride me without feeling a need to protect my dignity or reputation. I don't feel that it is imperative to exact retribution. My sense of safety is afforded, in large part, by the recent increase in the moderation of the webwsite.
I have no guarantees to give, of course. Sadly, I will probably feel the need to jump on the merry-go-round from time to time. In the meantime, I repudiate the personal attacks made upon me. They are of nothing.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2014, at 4:11:27
In reply to Re: watching, posted by SLS on January 20, 2014, at 8:50:32
> I feel safe enough to be able to allow others to viciously deride me without feeling a need to protect my dignity or reputation.
Great, that's the shield we've been talking about. It keeps your dignity and reputation safe from derision.
Bob
Posted by Ronnjee on January 21, 2014, at 11:31:54
In reply to Re: watching, posted by Dr. Bob on January 21, 2014, at 4:11:27
> > I feel safe enough to be able to allow others to viciously deride me without feeling a need to protect my dignity or reputation.
>
> Great, that's the shield we've been talking about. It keeps your dignity and reputation safe from derision.
>
> BobOr, do such "shields" merely assist in the avoidance of taking a hard and honest look at one's self? Resistance to change is not to be underestimated.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2014, at 3:23:34
In reply to Re: watching, posted by Ronnjee on January 21, 2014, at 11:31:54
> > > I feel safe enough to be able to allow others to viciously deride me without feeling a need to protect my dignity or reputation.
> >
> > Great, that's the shield we've been talking about. It keeps your dignity and reputation safe from derision.
>
> Or, do such "shields" merely assist in the avoidance of taking a hard and honest look at one's self? Resistance to change is not to be underestimated.You're telling me! :-)
I agree, a shield is a tool that could be used to facilitate change or to resist change.
Bob
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