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Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 24, 2013, at 0:06:56
In reply to Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by Phillipa on May 23, 2013, at 18:33:35
I had a post on all the medical websites similar to babble....lol It took me 30min and then no one commented to it....just flew into the wind of the artchives...
but yea.....babble has shrunk its not active like it used to be.....really what happened to all the posters? just went away....I've taken breaks from babble because basically I felt nothing was working.....
advertise it? get more people here?
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 24, 2013, at 1:52:35
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of? » Phillipa, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 24, 2013, at 0:06:56
> Very limited posting. For real this time.
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> Phillipa> yea.....babble has shrunk its not active like it used to be.....really what happened to all the posters?
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> rjlockhart37Maybe there's a subgroup that feels some anxiety about Babble?
Bob
Posted by Deneb on May 24, 2013, at 4:38:44
In reply to Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by Phillipa on May 23, 2013, at 18:33:35
I'm still around!
I'm not as active now because I'm pretty busy. I work full time and sometimes there are crises are work (actually the crises are more of a default condition LOL).
I've also been sucked into this game that involves using GPS and meeting up with players. It involves a ton of walking and I'm pretty hardcore LOL.
Babble is still dear to me and I think I will always be around as long as Babblers are still around.
Posted by SLS on May 24, 2013, at 6:34:52
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by Deneb on May 24, 2013, at 4:38:44
I don't know about there being a "strike atmosphere" here, but the volume of posting has declined over the years. I am hoping that active moderation will help attract more people.
My concern has been that seeing a single poster's name on half of the subject lines devalues Psycho-Babble in the eyes of potential members, especially when they all involve the same content and adversarial dynamic. It might be restorative to the website to reset the subject line back to the theme of the thread in such cases. This will require vigilance, but I think it might help make this place more appealing.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on May 24, 2013, at 10:08:13
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by SLS on May 24, 2013, at 6:34:52
Didn't know this was here on admin. I got an email from a former poster urging me to check out psych central as the posting is very high there. I didn't as didn't have time. Was out. Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 24, 2013, at 22:17:59
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of? » Phillipa, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 24, 2013, at 0:06:56
I wrote this and this has much links expanded similar to this website.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 24, 2013, at 22:23:27
In reply to re: references...., posted by rjlockhart37 on May 24, 2013, at 22:17:59
well, I checked it out....there a lot of postings there....I don't know how many posters...but yea...you know I posted to babble so long that its 2nd natured to type dr-bob.org/babble into the search bar.....
I don't know.....I may go to psychcentral, and coupel other websites I visted, but I've had posts here for almost 9-10 years and its hard to say bye bye to it....but, could post to multiple websites...and always come back to babble....anyways, I don't what else to say.....:( double quack quack....
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Posted by SLS on May 25, 2013, at 0:40:49
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by Phillipa on May 24, 2013, at 10:08:13
> Didn't know this was here on admin. I got an email from a former poster urging me to check out psych central as the posting is very high there. I didn't as didn't have time. Was out. Phillipa
When you do have the time to evaluate Psych Central, I would be interested to know how you would compare it with Psycho-Babble.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 26, 2013, at 13:36:49
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by SLS on May 24, 2013, at 6:34:52
Hi Scott,
>My concern has been that seeing a single poster's name on half of the subject lines devalues Psycho-Babble in the eyes of potential members, especially when they all involve the same content and adversarial dynamic. It might be restorative to the website to reset the subject line back to the theme of the thread in such cases.
Honestly, I think it would be better if such posts were deleted. In my opinion, they have had a profoundly negative effect on the board over the last few years. Allowing this person to continue posting has likely caused distress to a large proportion of new posters who have been inundated with highly unpleasant messages whilst in a vulnerable state.
The quantity of spam-like posts is part of the reason that I personally don't post here very often anymore.
Posted by Twinleaf on May 26, 2013, at 16:21:09
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of? » SLS, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 26, 2013, at 13:36:49
I strongly support that view. Psychobabble has been an important source of both valuable information and emotional support for me for a number of years, but I am very concerned that these posts are gradually destroying the things which were once so important and appealing to both new and long-time posters.
To many of us who have posted repeatedly on this topic, a reasonable degree of monitoring of this site so as to improve this situation seems hard to argue with. We have, however, not found any agreement or understanding of that viewpoint here, and I, too, am beginning to be very concerned that Babble simply won't be able to continue if this, and similar problems, are not addressed. It would be a huge loss, but I am afraid it is becoming a real possibility.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on May 27, 2013, at 4:46:19
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of? » ed_uk2010, posted by Twinleaf on May 26, 2013, at 16:21:09
>I am very concerned that these posts are gradually destroying the things which were once so important and appealing to both new and long-time posters.
Indeed. Just as an example, a poster apparently in a very vulnerable state was yesterday informed that her meds could 'in your case.....cause death by cardiac or respiratory failure.' There was then the suggestion that her meds were related to 'a mind-altered state to compel you to want to kill yourself and/or others, even commit mass-murder.'
I find these posts unhelpful and frankly disturbing. There is no doubt that some people react very badly to specific psych medications but these posts bear little relationship to what the poster has asked. If a new poster reported that shortly after starting a new medication they suddenly felt suicidal, it would be appropriate to warn the poster that some people get worse on meds and to tell their pdoc immediately. Scare tactics are not supportive. Replies should be relevant to the poster's questions, and should not hi-jack the thread.
I think the board would do much better if new posters could view the many supportive and informative posts, and not out-of-context posts about death, respiratory failure and mass murder.
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 9:15:38
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of? » Twinleaf, posted by ed_uk2010 on May 27, 2013, at 4:46:19
And moreover, in the justifiable desire to counter incorrect facts in the posts on that thread, the original poster was lost as the focus.
I think maybe in such cases, the post and replies to it should be moved to a new thread, to allow the original poster to receive pertinent replies.
I'm also wondering whether it would be ok with Dr. Bob if posters gently remind newcomers that it's ok to state that certain types of posts (such as blanket anti medication posts) wouldn't be helpful. Last I heard, Dr. Bob had agreed to enforce that request.
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 10:35:37
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 9:15:38
I wonder if there could be a checkbox in the posting box asking if the poster were open to blanket anti-medication posts or posts attempting to free them from the shackles of dependency on medication drugs.
Perhaps not worded that way.
Only if the originating poster answered yes would posts of that type be allowed on their thread.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 10:39:16
In reply to Re: Babble Strike Sort Of?, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 9:15:38
> And moreover, in the justifiable desire to counter incorrect facts in the posts on that thread, the original poster was lost as the focus.
>
> I think maybe in such cases, the post and replies to it should be moved to a new thread, to allow the original poster to receive pertinent replies.
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> I'm also wondering whether it would be ok with Dr. Bob if posters gently remind newcomers that it's ok to state that certain types of posts (such as blanket anti medication posts) wouldn't be helpful. Last I heard, Dr. Bob had agreed to enforce that request.Friends,
It is written here,[...desire to counter incorrect facts in the posts in that thread...].
One of the facts involved here is as to if Effexor and Trileptal could be taken together without the aspect that they are both CNS depressants that when taken together could cause death. Be advised, that the fact that they are both CNS depressants is indeed correct and that knowing that could save lives.
And you parents can now see for yourselves what is being written about me here in this and other threads. I have come here to save lives and prevent life-running conditions and addictions. This can be done by offering educational material that could help you make a more-informed decision as to drug yourself or your child in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor with mind-altering drugs that could induce a mind-altered state to compel the taker of the drug to kill themselves and /or others and even commit mass-murder. And if the education that I can give here is prohibited, then is that what education is, or is it just a transparent attempt to establish an indoctrination. An indoctrination that could lead to death.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 10:45:28
In reply to Lou's response- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 10:39:16
Lou, since my post had nothing to do with parents or children, why did you bring that pointedly into your reply?
Could it have something to do with the fact that I have previously stated that I find such descriptions upsetting? Could you have found my post upsetting, so are trying to upset me as well? Or are you planning to include such references in all your posts to me, perhaps because you are angry with me?
You say that you are protected from anger in your board interactions, but things like this would tend to suggest other possibilities.
Posted by SLS on May 27, 2013, at 11:17:51
In reply to Re: Lou's response-, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 10:45:28
Hi Dinah.
Problematic behaviors.
I like the sort of approach you take in:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044315.html
It is possible to block someone from posting on a website without hating them.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 11:27:32
In reply to Re: Lou's response-, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 10:45:28
> Lou, since my post had nothing to do with parents or children, why did you bring that pointedly into your reply?
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> Could it have something to do with the fact that I have previously stated that I find such descriptions upsetting? Could you have found my post upsetting, so are trying to upset me as well? Or are you planning to include such references in all your posts to me, perhaps because you are angry with me?
>
> You say that you are protected from anger in your board interactions, but things like this would tend to suggest other possibilities.D,
The posts here are read by people trying to make a decision as to drug themselves or their children or a parent or spouse or someone else or not. Many readers could be parents trying to have more knowledge concerning mind-altering drugs due to the now growing body of evidence pointing to that these drugs could induce a mind-altered state in children in particular to kill themselves and/or others and even commit mass-murder. The drugs can cause life-ruining conditions.I want them to know all the facts.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3m1XwtPWXE
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:29:53
In reply to Lou's reply » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 11:27:32
To me, out of context.
I have to tell you that upsetting things used in an aggressive manner do not hurt me.
Will you include mentions of drugging your children in your response to me. That would be verging on hilarious.
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:30:37
In reply to Lou's reply » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 11:27:32
If you believe God protects you from feeling anger on Babble, you might want to ask him for a bit more help.
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:35:07
In reply to Re: Lou's reply » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:30:37
Another key to success in mood stabilization.
Congrats Lou. You've figured out how to get rid of me - for as long as it works. It won't work forever.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 11:44:12
In reply to Re: Lou's reply » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:30:37
> If you believe God protects you from feeling anger on Babble, you might want to ask him for a bit more help.
>
> D,
I am not protected by the God that I give service and worship to from anger. Anger can be a good thing, for it can cause direction to be taken. The Sun and the Shield do come into play, however in anger. The Sun heals me from the pain of anger and gives me the power to overcome anger. I am instructed to not let the sun go down on my anger, and have rest. Each night before I go to bed, my friend, I dedicate any anger to the one I love.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:47:33
In reply to Hate and problematic behaviors. » Dinah, posted by SLS on May 27, 2013, at 11:17:51
Problematic behaviors don't make me hate. But they *can* make me angry. I tend to be happier when I avoid situations where people behave in ways that violate my notions of how they "should" behave.
I think Dr. Bob "should" address problematic behaviors.
I suppose I could work on my "should-ing". But the incentive would have to be high enough.
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:55:02
In reply to Lou's reply- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 11:44:12
IMO, anger should have more than a fair amount of pain attached to it.
Feeling pain at others' anger is a natural response designed to increase cooperative social behavior.
Feeling pain at one's own anger helps to keep one from hanging onto it. It is a suggestion that perhaps a non-angry response is called for.
I don't wish to cause you pain, or feel pain caused by you. I would prefer to work together, if possible, to find ways for you to post what you need to post in ways that are conducive to the building of community at Babble.
We have different goals. You believe, if I understand correctly, that you have been called by the divine to a ministry at Babble specifically to free people from the shackles of psychiatric drugs. I have the goal of trying to encourage a healthy community of support and education from those who are seeking help, including medical help of medication, with mental illness.
Do you see any way to achieve your goal without harming mine?
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 12:06:04
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 11:55:02
> IMO, anger should have more than a fair amount of pain attached to it.
>
> Feeling pain at others' anger is a natural response designed to increase cooperative social behavior.
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> Feeling pain at one's own anger helps to keep one from hanging onto it. It is a suggestion that perhaps a non-angry response is called for.
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> I don't wish to cause you pain, or feel pain caused by you. I would prefer to work together, if possible, to find ways for you to post what you need to post in ways that are conducive to the building of community at Babble.
>
> We have different goals. You believe, if I understand correctly, that you have been called by the divine to a ministry at Babble specifically to free people from the shackles of psychiatric drugs. I have the goal of trying to encourage a healthy community of support and education from those who are seeking help, including medical help of medication, with mental illness.
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> Do you see any way to achieve your goal without harming mine?D,
People can make their own determination as to if they want to drug themselves or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. But in order for one to make an informed decision, they use the facts to do so. Any repression of facts IMHHHO, is academic dishonesty and could lead to the deaths of others from psychiatric drugs.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on May 27, 2013, at 12:11:33
In reply to Lou's reply- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on May 27, 2013, at 12:06:04
That didn't really answer my question. Specifically...
1. Is it your belief that you were called by the divine to minister at Babble to help free people from the shackles of dependency on psychiatric drugs, or to keep them free from the shackles before they begin?
2. Do you see any ways your goals can be achieved while in such a way as to further my goals of fostering a community of support and education, or at least not be incompatible with my goals?
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