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Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:52
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-sihimball » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on August 5, 2010, at 21:24:50
When will he be thrown off this board for clear spamming propaganda?
Posted by Phillipa on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:52
In reply to LOU = SPAM, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 0:19:28
Write me your babblemail is off. Phillipa
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:52
In reply to LOU = SPAM, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 0:19:28
If this happened to me, I might also be passionate about the potential harms of medications:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020110/msgs/90171.html
Lou is not spam.
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:52
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM » topcatclr, posted by violette on August 6, 2010, at 0:58:20
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:53
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM » topcatclr, posted by violette on August 6, 2010, at 0:58:20
It's a wonderful world.
There's all sorts of people.
I don't agree with Lou's opinions on drugs.
But from time to time he says the most lovely things that I find really helpful.
So it's not appropriate on the med board?
Well, you know....
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:53
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM, posted by sigismund on August 6, 2010, at 1:48:05
I understand the spam thing. I mean, when you are trying to get better and you really believe you need medication to help you get there, the last thing you want is someone constantly injecting his anti-medication propaganda into a site that you come to out of desperation. It also doesn't help that the posts are written as if a computer was communicating with us. I'm sorry, I'm just speaking my mind. Like I said earlier, Lou means well, but he just doesn't have a place here if he continues to send his tiring message. It flat out is not productive and just ends up aggravating people here more than helping them.
Sorry Dr. Bob, had to speak my mind in this case and get it off my chest.
And, Lou, the last thing I want to do is hurt your feelings and I'm sorry if I have. I'm sure you're a great guy that genuinely means well. I hope that you understand my and others' frustration and try not to take our expressing it too personally.
Morgan
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:53
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM, posted by sigismund on August 6, 2010, at 1:48:05
> It's a wonderful world.
> There's all sorts of people.
> I don't agree with Lou's opinions on drugs.
> But from time to time he says the most lovely things that I find really helpful.
> So it's not appropriate on the med board?
> Well, you know....sigismund,
You wrote,[...he says the most lovely things that I find really helpful...Well, you know...].
If you could post answers to the following, then I think that the answers could be helpful to others also.
A. What are the things that I have posted that have been helpful to you?
B. Could you post a link to any of those?
C. In,[...Well, you know...], what is it that is what is known?
D. In any answer that you post to that, is there a relation to {redacted by respondent}.
Lou
Posted by polarbear206 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:53
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM, posted by morgan miller on August 6, 2010, at 2:11:28
> I understand the spam thing. I mean, when you are trying to get better and you really believe you need medication to help you get there, the last thing you want is someone constantly injecting his anti-medication propaganda into a site that you come to out of desperation. It also doesn't help that the posts are written as if a computer was communicating with us. I'm sorry, I'm just speaking my mind. Like I said earlier, Lou means well, but he just doesn't have a place here if he continues to send his tiring message. It flat out is not productive and just ends up aggravating people here more than helping them.
>
> Sorry Dr. Bob, had to speak my mind in this case and get it off my chest.
>
> And, Lou, the last thing I want to do is hurt your feelings and I'm sorry if I have. I'm sure you're a great guy that genuinely means well. I hope that you understand my and others' frustration and try not to take our expressing it too personally.
>
> Morgan
Thank you, My thoughts exactly. :)
Posted by chujoe on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by polarbear206 on August 6, 2010, at 7:35:17
Yes, let me join in this sentiment. I'm bothered by the constant pro-forma postings regarding the dangers of all psych drugs, regardless of the context, or the type of drug. Such blanket statements & links to such blanket statements don't do me much good or provide support for me in my attempts to deal with my issues. I suspect it is the same for others. So, despite the fact that I agree Lou means well, I don't get any sense of support from these posts. It would probably be different if Lou addressed people individually, but he basically puts up billboards instead of starting conversations. I'd feel a lot better having a conversation instead of being directed via cut & paste techniques to various anti-medication anecdotes & propaganda sites that engage in the sort of broad generalizations that are discouraged on this site. I'd be happy to have the anti-medication point of view expressed in dialog. I know there are dangers associated with psych meds & I think they ought to be discussed, though there are dangers with just about anything.
Some stuff I'd ask Lou if I were able to have a conversation with him:
-- Do you drink coffee?
-- Do you take vitamins?
-- Do you expose your skin to sunlight?
-- Do you drink tap water?
-- Do you take prescribed medication for, say, hypertension or some other chronic health problem?
-- And more questions like those if I got a straight answer. And I'd be happy to talk about my own experience & answer similar questions.I just noticed in rereading this post that I talk about Lou in the third person rather than to Lou in the first person -- this is rude & I'm sorry for it, but it is indicative of the fact that I have never had a back & forth with Lou on Psychobabble. He just arrives like the weather.
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
Does Lou mean well, really? From the little i have read from him it seems he is intent on scaring people. Nothing more. I rarely post on this board but when i do it is usually to call out the scare mongers who are so counter productive to mental health. I usually piss people off because i sometimes sound harsh, but i have NO tolerance for this propaganda. I don't really care if this gets me thrown off this board because i really care more about the people that need help than i do about Lou's "feelings"! Sometimes you have to call them out. Like i always have said, if you feel better, have a more productive, functional life on meds, great. If not, stop. That's all that matters. Not any one persons experience. I would have been locked up in my room for the last 15 years if not for drugs like Cymbalta, Lexapro etc. Are there risks? Sure. Is there a risk for severe, crippling depression where you can be a non functioning human being? Yes. Pick your poison. Lou has no right scaring people who are doing well on meds. He is the person who should be thrown off the board, but if i am, so be it! By the way, i do believe dosage has a lot to do with success and/or side effect relationships.
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 12:22:09
I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, I like to do that with people.
I will admit, his posts do seem to be a bit self-indulgent, wanting more to get people to buy into his beliefs than to really help them.
I will also have to admit, I have been guilty at times of being self-indulgent and making posts where I was trying to influence people to believe in what I believe in, in the absence of being supportive. I do believe I was also trying to help people at the same time. So I am going to give Lou the benefit of the doubt for now.
Morgan
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » topcatclr, posted by morgan miller on August 6, 2010, at 12:34:56
i have all the evidence i need. I have seen enough. Just speak the truth regardless of the consequences. He is nothing but a scare monger. There is so much proof of the benefits of ADs it's not worth talking about!
Posted by Conundrum on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 13:14:33
Go to google and type in "permanent sexual dysfunction" and see what comes up. Three links and one video about SSRIs causing sexual dysfunction. If you include "SSRI" in that search, you will see that many people suffer with permanent sexual dysfunction. You can also find similar things about permanent short term memory loss, problems concentrating, and emotional blunting.
There are benefits and dangers with taking psych drugs. I wouldn't want to be a forum that doesn't allow for fair dialogue about these concerns. I would leave if this site became so pro med that there would be no room for criticism, because it would no longer be honest at the point. It would just be well... propaganda.
So while Lou's posts can be redundant I think it is important that people weigh their choices before taking a psych drug. Its not a choice to be taken lightly, and people should know all the information and talk to their doctors about it. I would wish that Lou would not associate antidepressants with antipsychotics since they have separate benefits and risks.
Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:54
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » topcatclr, posted by Conundrum on August 6, 2010, at 14:43:13
>I wouldn't want to be a forum that doesn't allow for fair dialogue about these concerns.
Did you read our posts? There is no fair dialogue(that would be normal healthy back and forth conversation). It is the way things are presented when he makes his posts. It's simply counterproductive.
Geeze, I feel like I'm part of a witch hunt. I don't want this to seem like one. I just want to back up others' feelings about how Lou communicates his message and how it is counterproductive to what this forum is all about.
Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 12:22:09
Does Lou mean well, really?
Yes
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Lou's request- tymtutym » sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 5:54:31
Lou, it's a bit hard to search for them. The ones I like involve the pictures you paint and the poetical way they embody hope.
No one has to read your posts if they don't want to.
I like (or try to tolerate) the diversity of life.
As I said I don't agree with you about drugs, though I'm more likely to agree with you about meds.
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
There's another relevant question someone could ask Lou.
"Lou, have you suffered any damage from psychiatric drugs?"
I assume that is what this is about.
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Lou's request- tymtutym » sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 5:54:31
This question was asked to Sigismund, but I'd like to post an answer.
Here's a post I liked. That was really cute Lou!
hehe 'a salted'> inanimate peanut,
> Thank you for the post above.
> Lou
> PS...I also like your posting name and I hope that you never are a salted.
> Louhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100628/msgs/952612.html
Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request- tymtutym » Lou Pilder, posted by violette on August 6, 2010, at 18:04:28
This is just one example of how Lou can touch your heart:
"The poster was singing a different song. The poster was painting a beautiful scene. There were masterpices going across my screen."
Posted by gardenergirl on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to LOU = SPAM, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 0:19:28
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » chujoe, posted by sigismund on August 6, 2010, at 17:38:05
Posted by morgan miller on August 6, 2010, at 15:43:13
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » topcatclr, posted by Conundrum on August 6, 2010, at 14:43:13
>I wouldn't want to be a forum that doesn't allow for fair dialogue about these concerns.
Did you read our posts? There is no fair dialogue(that would be normal healthy back and forth conversation). It is the way things are presented when he makes his posts. It's simply counterproductive.
Geeze, I feel like I'm part of a witch hunt. I don't want this to seem like one. I just want to back up others' feelings about how Lou communicates his message and how it is counterproductive to what this forum is all about.
What Morgan said!
There is a big difference between just constantly posting about all the scary things that can happen to people who must take meds, and having reasonable discussions about the possible side effects. Most people are well aware of the risks associated with these meds, and yet need to take them anyway. For many they can be a lifesaver. Put some scary thoughts into the head of a fragile mind and then maybe a person doing well might decide to stop taking meds, sometimes with tragic results. Lou does not post from a position of a caring person. He has an agenda that has nothing to do with helping anyone. Sure i don't have to read his posts. He does not scare me at all so i read them. It's the people who don't know better that i worry about, that's where I'm coming from. I hope Lou gets thrown off. He does more damage with one post than i ever could. I have seen guys like him come and go over the years and they are all the same.Something went wrong in there life and they want to bring everyone down with them. A little common sense and all the crap he talks about just do not happen!
Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)Conundrum, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 23:13:39
We're all unique and all have different posting styles.
I'd like to ask..would you sit across the table sharing a pot of coffee with Lou and directly speak to him like that?
That little scenario has helped me a lot when replying to posts.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM)Conundrum » topcatclr, posted by Justherself54 on August 7, 2010, at 1:21:28
> I'd like to ask..would you sit across the table sharing a pot of coffee with Lou and directly speak to him like that?
>
> That little scenario has helped me a lot when replying to posts.That's an absolutely excellent way to approach posting here. I'm sure there are still folks who WOULD say what's been said in this thread over a pot of coffee face to face with someone, but I have to believe that not everyone would.
Lou, we've talked in the past about having a coffee or something together. I'm sure that would be enjoyable, and I value your participation here. I'm sorry if you've felt hurt by any of the discussion about your posting habits.
gg
Posted by topcatclr on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Very good perspective that I wish more would apply » Justherself54, posted by gardenergirl on August 7, 2010, at 11:35:03
> I'd like to ask..would you sit across the table sharing a pot of coffee with Lou and directly speak to him like that?
>
> That little scenario has helped me a lot when replying to posts.No i would not sit at a coffee table with Lou and speak to him about anything! Me and Lou would never be friends so why would i want to have coffee with him? I don't have "Friendly" discussions with people i don't respect!
Posted by violette on August 8, 2010, at 19:20:56
In reply to Re: LOU = SPAM))MORGAN » polarbear206, posted by chujoe on August 6, 2010, at 8:53:31
Those who are antisocial/psychopaths are known to be charismatic and popular.
I don't think anyone should be censored because their posts are unpopular or seem unhelpful by some. He's pretty transparent-clear about the content of his posts in the title. I read a link to one of the videos he posted, and I didn't agree with it very much. I might check another one someday when I feel up to it, and might learn something from it.
People who are autistic may come across differently to others-do ya'll think it's possible that some here could be in the autism spectrum? (re: "computer-like" criticism)
I respect Lou for his individuality, and as JustHerself pointed out, he can really touch your heart sometimes. I pesonally think Lou is a kind person.
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